LIN aka (KAI ZHAO) Issue resolved

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hexenjager said:
Wow. Unless I missed something, his postings are all on the exchange except for a single tech support post. Quite a contributor to the blade forums community.
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Yup. Only here to buy and sell.

-Corey- said:
I had a couple dealings with LIN that worked out fine, but it is rather shady how he tries to purchase things without full disclosure of his situation. I caught on to it because the fee pp charged me for his transaction (cross border transaction fee is an extra 1%) was slightly higher than normal, but it's such a small amount that it could easily slip by unnoticed. I'd say that if his repackagers didn't package it properly, that is not your problem and needs to be brought to paypals attention.


My transaction with LIN
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1411178-A-few-classics-and-collectors
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Interesting. People need to be up front in all their dealings. Communication is key. If you are using a proxy it should be disclosed.
 
I am not saying he is a bad guy. I can back up everything I said. I have the paper trail.
I feel like I was misled into thinking he lived at the address that I shipped to. The communications with him sucked. This could have been resolved in a week. I have lost business because PP locked up my account for a few weeks. I paid insurance that I can not collect on. I have a knife with a broken tip coming back to me that has been the China and back. Multiple people have handled this knife. Now, I have to ship to the maker and back and pay him to fix the knife.
 
Bobby Branton said:
I have lost business because PP locked up my account for a few weeks. I paid insurance that I can not collect on. I have a knife with a broken tip coming back to me that has been the China and back. Multiple people have handled this knife. Now, I have to ship to the maker and back and pay him to fix the knife.
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That is crappy, something needs to be changed so that sellers don't get ripped off.
 
You may want to let him know of the thread , so he can try to explain how re-shipping an item is your responsibility.
Also be careful leaving feedback-that is a very weird rule and I would run it by a moderator before leaving, just to be on the safe side.
 
Bobby Branton said:
I am not saying he is a bad guy. I can back up everything I said. I have the paper trail.
I feel like I was misled into thinking he lived at the address that I shipped to. The communications with him sucked. This could have been resolved in a week. I have lost business because PP locked up my account for a few weeks. I paid insurance that I can not collect on. I have a knife with a broken tip coming back to me that has been the China and back. Multiple people have handled this knife. Now, I have to ship to the maker and back and pay him to fix the knife.
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Did you ship to his confirmed paypal address? Did paypal get evidence of the damaged package/item?
 
If it's being unpacked and repackaged by the proxy then his beef falls on his proxy, not you. Did his proxy say anything about the knife being broken before he shipped it to him? Does he have his proxy check the goods before sending them? Who knows. It's between him and his mystery proxy. Unfortunately leaving negative feedback opens him up to leave negative feedback for you aswell.

The whole thing stinks and I am sorry that you have to go through it.
 
craytab said:
Did you ship to his confirmed paypal address? Did paypal get evidence of the damaged package/item?
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I shipped to his PP address. I guess he sent them a pic of the knife with the tip broken when it got to China, I never saw the damaged box. Either way, you do not claim damage three weeks later. If his middle man received it damaged, he should have alerted me immediately.
 
Bobby Branton said:
I shipped to his PP address. I guess he sent them a pic of the knife with the tip broken when it got to China, I never saw the damaged box. Either way, you do not claim damage three weeks later. If his middle man received it damaged, he should have alerted me immediately.
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It could have happened from his middle mans packaging or after customs . Either way, if it didn't arrive at the US location that way, it should not fall on you. I have to believe if it was like that at the US location, you would have been notified immediately. It could have been travelling those other 3 weeks, or sometimes these guys build up shipments.
 
Now that the mods know he lives in China they should make him show that in his heading. He posted on one of my sales threads that he would take a knife. My sales threads always say prompt payment is expected. I pm ed him that day and nothing. Ok. Pm ed him the next day and asked him if he still wanted the knife and was ready to pay and his response was "you to push I don't want now". I was going to leave negative feedback but thought that might be to harsh and just figured I encountered another d bag and forgot about it.
 
Maybe I missed it but has he been sent a link to this thread? The first 18 posts here in this thread were made before the timestamp of his last activity in his profile.
 
Sucks to be ripped off by "less than honest" people of this world. I've been stung by PP a few times at work. But have learned a few things along the way.

Ship everything with "Adult Signature Required". May not be worth the couple of bucks for a $50 item, but sure is for a $1000 item. That way, you have full tracking to a person's hand, with no damage noted upon delivery.

If through PP, only ship to a "Confirmed Address" from a "Verified" sender. When a claim surfaces, be sure to document EVERYTHING and include EVERYTHING in each communication. Be sure to communicate in "Big Fat Crayon" type of language, so even the most dense PP employee can understand. Include tracking info to the Confirmed Address, and anything else you have outside of PP. Once you can prove that fishy things are happening (in this case, item shipped to NJ, but returned from China), be the one to escalate the claim if possible. If not, open a new claim against the other person with all documentation. Once a claim is escalated and/or reopened, it is usually viewed by a step up from the lowest grunt employee. Be very clear and specific detailing the chain of events, (fat crayon again), and show shipping tracking info "to" the confirmed address, but return "from" another country.

This one should be a no-brainer for PayPal, but unfortunately still sometimes a crap shoot. Good luck. Wish you the best.
 
When I dealt with LIN, his address was "unconfirmed" but paypal still showed that I was eligible for seller protection. I did some quick research on the subject and felt that I could safely ship it there with no problems. It will be interesting to see how paypal actually handles this scenario since there was no damage reported when the item reached the address that the buyer provided.

If he's already shipped the knife back, I'd be willing to offer a refund, minus initial shipping cost, minus what it costs to fix the damage, and minus the depreciation of value to the knife. I doubt that will be the end result though.
 
Bobby Branton said:
I shipped to his PP address. I guess he sent them a pic of the knife with the tip broken when it got to China, I never saw the damaged box. Either way, you do not claim damage three weeks later. If his middle man received it damaged, he should have alerted me immediately.
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And is paypal aware of this? I doubt they want to cover things that are outside of their TOS. I also doubt this proxy would have shipped a broken knife to China. If there is no postal packaging then how can there be proof it happened during the paypal covered shipment? If you are not given an opportunity to claim insurance (no proof of damage by shipper) then how can paypal side with the buyer? I would keep on paypal. Explain all this to them. Show them where corey called out the buyer for having a proxy. Paypal should not cover this guy shipping stuff to China after it was delivered to a US confirmed address.
 
craytab said:
And is paypal aware of this? I doubt they want to cover things that are outside of their TOS. I also doubt this proxy would have shipped a broken knife to China. If there is no postal packaging then how can there be proof it happened during the paypal covered shipment? If you are not given an opportunity to claim insurance (no proof of damage by shipper) then how can paypal side with the buyer? I would keep on paypal. Explain all this to them. Show them where corey called out the buyer for having a proxy. Paypal should not cover this guy shipping stuff to China after it was delivered to a US confirmed address.
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Would you tell your boss that you broke his $1,200.00 knife????
 
-Corey- said:
I had a couple dealings with LIN that worked out fine, but it is rather shady how he tries to purchase things without full disclosure of his situation. I caught on to it because the fee pp charged me for his transaction (cross border transaction fee is an extra 1%) was slightly higher than normal, but it's such a small amount that it could easily slip by unnoticed. I'd say that if his repackagers didn't package it properly, that is not your problem and needs to be brought to paypals attention.


My transaction with LIN
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1411178-A-few-classics-and-collectors
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Very shady Corey and I'm glad you didn't get caught up in something like this mess.
Joe
 
I am sorry to hear of your issue mate. The buyer is very active in the Busse marketplace I frequent. I do not feel that you should have been held responsible for the issues you were, not even remotely, your obligations were met when the knife arrived at the US address.

As some here who have dealt with me know, I at times use a proxy address in the US. That address is part of my paypal account and it is ALWAYS my position that our transaction is complete once the item has arrived at the US address. Anything beyond that is MY issue in its entirety. To do it any other way is deceitful and just makes life that much harder for the HONEST buyers that happen not to reside in the US. I am also FULLY conversant with my local laws (including tax/duties etc) as these are also my responsibilities. Strange, but I have NEVER had an issue related to my location (when shipped direct) or using a proxy in the US.
 
That's the entire difference here Andy. The buyer was not up front from the beginning.
Seller gets a complaint 3 weeks after the knife was delivered?? Come on man.
This guy should be banned......period.
Shipping over seas really isn't the issue. The issue is the buyer didn't notify the seller of the proxy. That is a monkey wrench in the works right there.
If you as the buyer notify the seller of the proxy up front I don't see a problem. At that point it's the seller's choice to go ahead with the deal.
Joe
 
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