List of ZTs that Don't Have Lock Failure Issues

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This will be my last post on this thread.

Early in my Academic career I worked for the IT Department in the Canadian Government, I worked on the software and hardware for all parts on the government from elected officials and justice/court buildings, to law enforcement and first responders, to health services and public works. Over 90% of the reports we receive of not working hardware of software, when we would fix and it would turn out that the issue was caused by the user. You know what nobody ever did? They never said, I broke the computer or I don't know how to operate this system/access the server. You know what people said? The system is broken, your software isn't working etc. It just amazed me, how many people would break something, I mean we would see the weirdest errors possible that defy all logic and the individual would never know how it happened. Then there were some specific cases that would call weekly with broken hardware and issues, this hardware lasted majority of people year(s), yet these select individuals would have it broken in a week. It got to the point we would test everything we gave them, it would be flawless yet they would somehow still break it and they would not know how. Every time these individuals would always blame the hardware for breaking.

So, when I see somebody who has something that breaks on them constantly, more than others whether it be knives or technology, I look at the factors involved, these items were made in different batches, inspected and tested by different people, during different times etc, but you know what the only constant factor is? The person who constantly complaining on how everything is broken. The only logical and constant issue in the equation is the person complaining, so when I see a person who is constantly complaining about all these knives failing, I reflect on the possibilities and probabilities. Eventually I have to come to the conclusion since it is the only logical answer, whether it is on purpose or through negligence the individual complaining is the explanatory variable. People don't know what they don't know, however humans in general have hard time not understanding something, so they quantify it incorrectly by blaming it on someone or something else. I can say I only have a basic understanding of physics, and a relatively extensive background in mathematics, and I can tell from this thread, most are missing the basic fundamentals of these subjects. How are you going to be outrage about something you know nothing about? Locks are all about physics and geometry, plus a little bit of chemistry(how materials react) and I don't see that logic or understanding in many of these arguments.
Spot on observation, Sir.

When I was in high school my best friends dad was service manager for a large automobile dealership throughout the Northeast. I asked him once what part of a car was most prone to failure. He answered without hesitation "the nut behind the wheel".

In later years, thru my own experience, I've found that operator error is a far bigger problem than rampant corporate malfeasance.

I've also found that quicksand, werewolves and alien attacks have posed far less of a hazard in my life than I thought when I was 10.

Perspective is a beautiful thing. Turn off your damn EweTube and go out and use a few knives and perspective will have a chance to gel.
 
Speak with your wallet and don’t buy a ZT then. Crying only helps with your momma. ZT’s obviously have a dedicated following,and for good reasons namely higher end materials,excellent fit and finish,and good support. I see people on hear commenting that have it out for ZT so bad that they even intrude on threads specifically started to praise them just to ridicule and insult them. I think they know who they are...
 
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I have 55 various ZT folders and have never had a lock fail - and I have used them all.

I am not going to spine whack my knives as that puts impacts onto the lock-bar face and the tang that are unnecessary.

I agree with the observation that the one constant defect in many of these cases is the human.

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Half of your posts here of this nature. Please stop. It helps nothing and might be considered trolling.

I genuinely wanted an 0562 ti, but wanted to know if they had these issues. How is that trolling? Because I have an opinion? I'm obviously not alone here.
 
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I genuinely wanted an 0562 ti, but wanted to know if they had these issues. How is that trolling? Because I have an opinion? I'm obviously not alone here.
You've been saying the same thing about zt since you joined. You aren't addressing the topic in a serious way. You are saying inaccurate and inflammatory things for effect.

You want to talk about opinion? Yours is dead wrong. A very small amount of knives have an issue. In a serious discussion don't say salacious things to stir the pot.
 
You've been saying the same thing about zt since you joined. You aren't addressing the topic in a serious way. You are saying inaccurate and inflammatory things for effect.

You want to talk about opinion? Yours is dead wrong. A very small amount of knives have an issue. In a serious discussion don't say salacious things to stir the pot.

According to your own definition, you are a troll and should be sanctioned.
 
Spot on observation, Sir.

When I was in high school my best friends dad was service manager for a large automobile dealership throughout the Northeast. I asked him once what part of a car was most prone to failure. He answered without hesitation "the nut behind the wheel".

In later years, thru my own experience, I've found that operator error is a far bigger problem than rampant corporate malfeasance.

I've also found that quicksand, werewolves and alien attacks have posed far less of a hazard in my life than I thought when I was 10.

Perspective is a beautiful thing. Turn off your damn EweTube and go out and use a few knives and perspective will have a chance to gel.

In my own case actually handling a ZT did change my perspective. But I still think you tube vids can be a valuable resource especially when you don't have access to a certain item.
You used a car analogy so I will use a couple as well.
I may never be able to afford a Ferrari, but because I have an interest in cars I enjoy watching shows like top gear and hearing thier opinion on them. Knife reviews on you tube for me are no differn't. There's tons of knives I like but the closest I can get to one is a vid on youtube.

IMHO this ZT situation is simular to when a luxury car has a known problem. For instance BMW water pumps. You have one group of people who are maybe a little envious and will say "My 92 Honda Accord has never had a water pump issue. BMW's are junk!!!" Then you will have the enthusiasts who will say "replacing a water pump is not a big deal". Then you have the third group who don't know what they really want and will say "Mabey I should get a Lexus?"
 
According to your own definition, you are a troll and should be sanctioned.
Nope not at all. I'm refuting your assertions that all zts should be considered slipjoints, something you said many times. None of mine work like that. Even for owners in this thread with problems, not all their zts work like that. And to your direct quote in this thread, zt doesn't make a slipjoint.

You are wrong on all accounts. New people here should not listen to biased and wrong opinions. I'm just pointing that out.
 
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I genuinely wanted an 0562 ti, but wanted to know if they had these issues. How is that trolling? Because I have an opinion? I'm obviously not alone here.
Further, just asking a question about the quality of a specific knife model is not trolling. That's not what you are doing. All you've done so far is inaccurately slam a specific brand, now with a smug one liner you've used before. It doesn't help the discourse. Only hurts.
 
Further, just asking a question about the quality of a specific knife model is not trolling. That's not what you are doing. All you've done so far is inaccurately slam a specific brand, now with a smug one liner you've used before. It doesn't help the discourse. Only hurts.

Why are you taking this personal? I'm sorry if these threads bring down the worth of your collection. Some ZTs have proven to be dangerous to use, and the knife community needs to know about the many cases of lock failures out there. MANY CASES.
 
I genuinely wanted an 0562 ti, but wanted to know if they had these issues. How is that trolling? Because I have an opinion? I'm obviously not alone here.
You could call them up and ask if they changed their lockbar geometry or QC processes, though I doubt it. You're more than likely to get one that works properly, though.
 
Roll of the dice in getting a good one.
I mean, even though I've had lock issues from them and don't doubt the validity of others' issues with ZT, I think you're still very likely to get a good one.

The issue is, in my and others' experience, they may not fix the issue if you send it in for warranty. I guess you can just resell it to some forum members without issues though, because a number of them evidently don't consider it a problem. lol
 
I am actually surprised this thread is still going ... I figure common sense would kickin by page 3 or 4 ... I guess not ...

I can't say that any ZT (or any brand of knife) ever disengages or doesn't if spine whacked ... but I own many ZTs and have for many years ... I've had zero issues ...

Now I don't intentionally "spine whack" any of my knives ... but I have never had a knife close on my hand ... maybe that's because when I use my knives ... the pressure is put on the sharpened edge of the blade and not on the spine???

The only knife I ever had any lockup issue with was a brand new CRK Umnumzaan and I contacted CRK and got a straight answer that solved the issue ... it just needed some break in on the rubber o-rings ... which made perfect sense and a few dsys later that problem was solved.


IMHO if you are using your folding knife in any way that comes close to a "spine whack" ... then I think maybe you need a course on knife safety instead of blaming any knife ... just one simple countryboy's opinion ... from how I was taught growing up.

Oh and just for reference ... I don't hold live ammo in vice grips and whack the primer with a pointed hammer to see if something bad might happen ... shrugs.
 
I am actually surprised this thread is still going ... I figure common sense would kickin by page 3 or 4 ... I guess not ...

I can't say that any ZT (or any brand of knife) ever disengages or doesn't if spine whacked ... but I own many ZTs and have for many years ... I've had zero issues ...

Now I don't intentionally "spine whack" any of my knives ... but I have never had a knife close on my hand ... maybe that's because when I use my knives ... the pressure is put on the sharpened edge of the blade and not on the spine???

The only knife I ever had any lockup issue with was a brand new CRK Umnumzaan and I contacted CRK and got a straight answer that solved the issue ... it just needed some break in on the rubber o-rings ... which made perfect sense and a few dsys later that problem was solved.


IMHO if you are using your folding knife in any way that comes close to a "spine whack" ... then I think maybe you need a course on knife safety instead of blaming any knife ... just one simple countryboy's opinion ... from how I was taught growing up.

Oh and just for reference ... I don't hold live ammo in vice grips and whack the primer with a pointed hammer to see if something bad might happen ... shrugs.
I don't spine whack mine either. I just do check a static test just to make sure they're not glorified slipjoint knives, and I've had a couple from ZT with locks that shift from hand pressure. That's what concerns me.
 
I genuinely wanted an 0562 ti, but wanted to know if they had these issues. How is that trolling? Because I have an opinion? I'm obviously not alone here.
It probably will be fine. I've had two 0562cf and both had excellent lockup. You can always return it if you're not happy. That might be the only way you're going to find out. Nobody here can give you 100% peace of mind.
 
Why are you taking this personal? I'm sorry if these threads bring down the worth of your collection. Some ZTs have proven to be dangerous to use, and the knife community needs to know about the many cases of lock failures out there. MANY CASES.
I'm not taking anything personally and as I said before i don't have a zt collection, just a few knives i use.

I do however like to correct missinformation and hyperbole in this community. Both of which your posts about zt are filled with.

You say many cases. If you care so much, count the valid ones up. We could then compare that number to high serial numbers on all models. If you care so much to post all over the forum bashing zt, why not do the leg work and get some rough estimates of the problem you are complaining about? Start a thread asking for high serial numbers for all models. You won't find what you are looking for but it could be interesting to see how small of a problem this is. Prove it man.
 
I don't spine whack mine either. I just do check a static test just to make sure they're not glorified slipjoint knives, and I've had a couple from ZT with locks that shift from hand pressure. That's what concerns me.

Then my question would be why? ... You wouldn't think a slipjoint would take that type of abuse and a slipjoint will cut and do anything a locking knife will ???

It's just unrealistic and a completely unresponsible way to use any knife ... but ya'll can argue away ... I just posted after it shocked me it was still going after I hadn't looked at the forums for awhile.

Carry on ...
 
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