Liu Kang (Dan Huang) - when is enough...well, enough?

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  1. priority

    priority

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    Jun 5, 2009
    Nicely said Spark.
     
  2. Kiah

    Kiah S&S Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jul 20, 2006
    Agree on the latter part. You gotta do what you gotta do, but sitewide rule changes because one person likes to see how far he can push the rule set seems like a bandaid to me. As soon as the new rules are in place, he'll find a way to bend those as well and then we're all back here again to discuss even more rules.

    While I'm aware of the situation with the Busse Exchange, the simple solution to the majority of the issues with the exchange is to make people post where they're supposed to. Kick the dealers, makers, providers, etc. out of the "Individual" forums and direct anybody who doesn't like it to the logout button. Just my two cents, but the actual individuals shouldn't have to be restricted more for something they're not doing. It's not the guys who wanna buy and sell as a part of their hobby or tool needs that are the problem, it's the ones who can't recognize that "business" and "individual" are not the same thing.
     
  3. Smitty22

    Smitty22

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    Feb 27, 2009
    Thank you, sir!
     
  4. trestle

    trestle

    Feb 2, 2008
    The owner of the forum is yelling at you Dan, are you getting the message yet?
     
  5. unky_gumbi

    unky_gumbi

    Aug 28, 2009
    That sounds exceptionally reasonable to me, besides who needs to sell more than 40 knives a month that doesn't have a legitimate knife business to run?
     
  6. Mr. Clean

    Mr. Clean Gold Member Gold Member

    Apr 26, 2007
    Good point.
    It's unfortunate that it's supported on any level.
    Spark also makes a good point.
     
  7. Jaxx

    Jaxx Moderator Moderator

    Jan 18, 2006
    Precisely...
     
  8. Andros

    Andros

    Apr 20, 2005
    Well said! I am up for!
     
  9. skyhorse

    skyhorse Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 30, 2010
    Im' glad you got right down to the nut cutten because that's what's going on.
     
  10. Kiah

    Kiah S&S Moderator Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jul 20, 2006
    Since we're on the subject, we may need a rule against buying for third parties for profit so that "dealers" don't swoop in acting as middlemen and further preventing actual buyers and collectors from using the "Individual" forums.

    Or we could just get rid of the source of the headache. :rolleyes:
     
  11. Michigan Fancyman

    Michigan Fancyman

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    Apr 17, 2011
    The part that bothers me is LK is able to skirt around a lot more than just BF rules, he's able to skate around taxes proper licenses and everything else. That is the core of my issues with him, second is when you have someone who is on here who buys knives on the scale that he does and buying up product on here IS his job, it ruins BF being a place to come to be able to buy and trade Busse for the rest of the people on here from the constant non-stop flipping. Just my two cents.
     
  12. HikingIsLife

    HikingIsLife Gold Member Gold Member

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    Apr 9, 2011
    Not sure why LK wasn't declared a "dealer" rather than an "individual" in the first place, but all that has been said in this thread makes perfect sense. There is no reason in the world as a community forum we can't abide by community guidelines. Individuals selling or trading knives should be just that, individuals...and rightly limited to a certain number of knives listed per month. Dealers have a forum as well, and would not necessarily have a limit to how many knives they post...or if there were a limit...a higher set limit.
     
  13. BA_Colt

    BA_Colt Don't make me slap you the kielbasa.

    Oct 15, 2008
    It costs the owner of BF time and money to run this site. The owner of BF also has a site which he does not advertise here. LK needs to become an adult and stop leaching off of BF.
     
  14. LMT66

    LMT66 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 18, 2008
    I still like my idea as posted earlier. If he is limited to 40 knives for sale per month, what's to stop him from having his friends/shills post his blades for sale under their accounts? He will find a way around it and show no shame in doing it. He's already proven himself to be a liar and a cheat in more ways than one.

    I want to clarify that I feel his past actions here should have had him banned. My suggestion in a earlier post was to deal with the mess that was allowed to happen.
     
  15. Planterz

    Planterz Gold Member Gold Member

    Mar 26, 2004
    Actually, 1sks does advertise here. You just never noticed because you've been a paid member since the ads started. Log out and refresh the main page a few times and you'll see one for the Sebenza at 1sks.
     
  16. CarpScot

    CarpScot

    Jan 28, 2008
    LK has shown time and again that he is willing to do whatever it takes to skirt around the rules in order to save a buck.

    An absurd amount of listings, shill buyers, refusal to purchase insurance from the company doing the shipping and instead insisting he is personally insuring packages, PP mark-ups that go above and beyond the rate at which PP actually charges, insisting that items received from him with undisclosed defects be sent to the manufacturer rather than issuing a refund for a return himself...... the list goes on and on. I also have a hard time with the fact that he fought getting a dealer membership for so long while claiming to be a collector/average seller. If he can't be bothered to treat this site and community with both honesty and professionalism how can we expect him to do so with future customers?

    I realize that I am not privy to everything that has gone on regarding this issue and respect Spark's decision to allow LK to have a continued presence here. Just my penny's worth.
     
  17. Haze

    Haze

    Aug 2, 2004
    The rules don't need to be changed again, all that needs to happen is to have LK post in the dealer specific sub forum. That would clean up pretty much all the problems highligted. He is abusing the special treatment he has been given so it should be removed. It's beggars beliefe that layer after layer of rules are put down because of LK's tactics yet he is still given this special treatment. Just removing that would seem to be the very best solution here, short of removing LK all together that is.
     
  18. snowreaper1

    snowreaper1 Banned BANNED

    Nov 26, 2010
    LK doesnt give a rats a%% about Bladeforums members or the knife community itself. This is just his meal ticket. I mean hes got it made here. What he pays in Dealer
    fees must pale in comparison to what he should be paying the US government for properly running a business in the United States of America. Im just glad I dont collect
    Busse knives (and probably never will) so I dont have see his spam everyday.
     
  19. LMT66

    LMT66 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 18, 2008
    Restricting him to the Dealer only general section wouldn't be fair to other paying Dealers as he would crowd out their sale posts. His sales are too big for this forum in it's current state. Since he has been allowed to get to this point, he needs his own section in the dealer area or his own website to flip/broker his goods.
     
  20. ARMYOf1

    ARMYOf1 Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 27, 2008
    Well said!! Bravo!! I agree 100%



     
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