Liu Kang (Dan Huang) - when is enough...well, enough?

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Esav Benyamin

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This is the place to post site feedback.

Feel free to voice your opinion on LK's actions here on BFC..

Please understand site feedback refers to website functioning, not use of the site which belongs in FEEDBACK/GBU.
Do not voice opinions of LK's actions here. Make suggestions of what rules or actions might be appropriate to be fair ot all members. We have enough "Lets attack LK!" threads already.
 
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Please understand site feedback refers to website functioning, not use of the site which belongs in FEEDBACK/GBU.
Do not voice opinions of LK's actions here. Make suggestions of what rules or actions might be appropriate to be fair ot all members. We have enough "Lets attack LK!" threads already.

I think there are enough Mods following this saga that they should have a meeting of the minds with Spark. The action taken should be directed at the problem and stop anyone now or in the future being able to manipulate the rules. He has made a mockery of skirting the existing rules and pushing the limits. I think Sparks idea of limiting the total number of knives for sale at any one time is heading in the right direction but personally think it should be limited more than the number he suggested.
 
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I think there are enough Mods following this saga that they should have a meeting of the minds with Spark. The action taken should be directed at the problem and stop anyone now or in the future being able to manipulate the rules. He has made a mockery of skirting the existing rules and pushing the limits. I think Sparks idea of limiting the total number of knives for sale at any one time is heading in the right direction but personally think it should be limited more than the number he suggested.

I personally don't see yet more new rules put in place as a move in the right direction at all. Why are the masses of responsible people who can use the exchange in a sensible manner being slaped with new rules again and again because of one member here ? Where will the line be drawn ? Make people only list only one knife at a time ? Post one thread a week, a month a year ? Or may be just shut the exchange all together ? All because of ONE member abusing the system. The solution seems quite simple to me, make the dealers post in the dealer section and quit the double standards put in place for LK. Only then will we be moving in the right direction.

This whole mess should never have got to this stage any way as LK should have been banned long ago when he first got grabbed lying about his sales and forum status. I'm sure we have all seen other members here banned for what would at least seem like less. Yet he is still here, still behaving in the same way and still enjoying the blatant double standards put in place just for him.......a very poor show indeed.
 

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I think all sellers that offer insurance at extra cost should provide insurance from the shipper or a recognized insurance company. If I have to pay for insurance then I want something other than "self insured". Self insured is fine if I am not being charged for it.
 
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I personally don't see yet more new rules put in place as a move in the right direction at all. Why are the masses of responsible people who can use the exchange in a sensible manner being slaped with new rules again and again because of one member here ? Where will the line be drawn ? Make people only list only one knife at a time ? Post one thread a week, a month a year ? Or may be just shut the exchange all together ? All because of ONE member abusing the system. The solution seems quite simple to me, make the dealers post in the dealer section and quit the double standards put in place for LK. Only then will we be moving in the right direction.

This whole mess should never have got to this stage any way as LK should have been banned long ago when he first got grabbed lying about his sales and forum status. I'm sure we have all seen other members here banned for what would at least seem like less. Yet he is still here, still behaving in the same way and still enjoying the blatant double standards put in place just for him.......a very poor show indeed.

Could not have said it better myself
 

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Really there's no good way to handle this. Liu Kang should have set up a website a long time ago, instead of relying on reposting threads over and over and over again. Confining him to the dealer forum isn't going to help if he does the same antics there, driving off other paying dealers... not to mention the existing rules already state that dealers are exempt from most of the rules that limit individuals. I hate to put posting limits in effect for a dealer as well.

Jerry called me up yesterday and asked if we should open a Busse dealer forum. I'm loathe to open a subforum for a single individual to use. There are no great solutions for this.
 

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Really there's no good way to handle this. Liu Kang should have set up a website a long time ago, instead of relying on reposting threads over and over and over again. Confining him to the dealer forum isn't going to help if he does the same antics there, driving off other paying dealers... not to mention the existing rules already state that dealers are exempt from most of the rules that limit individuals. I hate to put posting limits in effect for a dealer as well.

Jerry called me up yesterday and asked if we should open a Busse dealer forum. I'm loathe to open a subforum for a single individual to use. There are no great solutions for this.

Agreed.
Perhaps though, since it is one individual who is causing the problem and forcing issues, perhaps finally sanctioning that one individual would be appropriate and warranted. Instead of further rewarding his poor behavior. At any rate, when his rewards come at the expense of other dealers and individuals, something needs to change.
 
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Really there's no good way to handle this. Liu Kang should have set up a website a long time ago, instead of relying on reposting threads over and over and over again. Confining him to the dealer forum isn't going to help if he does the same antics there, driving off other paying dealers... not to mention the existing rules already state that dealers are exempt from most of the rules that limit individuals. I hate to put posting limits in effect for a dealer as well.

Jerry called me up yesterday and asked if we should open a Busse dealer forum. I'm loathe to open a subforum for a single individual to use. There are no great solutions for this.

There IS a great solution for this. Ban him. What does he contribute to this forum, other than negativity? All I see is taking, no giving back. WHY keep him?
 
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Its funny how other dealers dont have these problems. The guy is a spammer. He's never respected boundaries and treats this forum as his own private playground. Yes he pays membership fees but so do a lot of other people and they respect the spirit of the thing and dont abuse the goodwill of the community. He should be tarred and feathered and rode out of town on a rail.
 
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Its funny how other dealers dont have these problems. The guy is a spammer. He's never respected boundaries and treats this forum as his own private playground. Yes he pays membership fees but so do a lot of other people and they respect the spirit of the thing and dont abuse the goodwill of the community. He should be tarred and feathered and rode out of town on a rail.

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My god, people get tossed from this site every day for disrespecting a moderator and less...This guy has disrespected the site, the owner, and all the members. What is the problem here? Why all the handwringing??? Toss him for crying out loud....Am I the only one sick of seeing his name everywhere and reading about all the problems he is causing?
 
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Its funny how other dealers dont have these problems. The guy is a spammer. He's never respected boundaries and treats this forum as his own private playground. Yes he pays membership fees but so do a lot of other people and they respect the spirit of the thing and dont abuse the goodwill of the community. He should be tarred and feathered and rode out of town on a rail.

Word up. Roll out the plank. I doubt many would shed tears over the loss.
 

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I've always tried to keep the Liu Kang behavior separate from Busse Combat - however, since Jerry is calling, asking to create a subforum for this crook shows that he endorses Dan Huang’s greedy & dishonest conduct. Busse = Dan Huang = Unprincipled Scum – they all fit together now
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I never would have thought 1 individual would have so much negative effect on the BladeForum or Busse Communities.
Now not only negative effects, but he is tarnishing both BladeForum and Busse reputations.
Something has to be done.
If nothing else, at the very least, let his membership run out and not allow him the PRIVELEDGE of membership again.
As all have mentioned, he does nothing positive for a great forum.
 
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I've always tried to keep the Liu Kang behavior separate from Busse Combat - however, since Jerry is calling, asking to create a subforum for this crook shows that he endorses Dan Huang’s greedy & dishonest conduct. Busse = Dan Huang = Unprincipled Scum – they all fit together now
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I think you're reading it wrong and being pretty harsh towards Jerry. I'd have to guess that since Dan is still at least trying to appear to follow the rules (and is good for business), Busse is trying to accomodate his presence here on the forums, while separating him from the Busse FS forum. JMHO, though.
 

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Another thing that may be worth a moments thought is that LK's departure from BFC, whether forced or voluntary, will not IMO substantially negatively impact his bottom line, if at all. Anyone and everyone will still be able to find him easily if they really want to get a knife from him, and that is if he doesn't change anything other than being present here. If he wises up and has his own little website, it will be even easier than it is now to find him. The difference is that this place will be much better off without him. The rules will be applied equally and nobody will be seen to be getting special treatment. We won't have to wonder what sneaky predatory sales tactic is next. At least with respect to Dan and his sales, we won't have to try to discern what's the truth and what's a lie, who are we dealing with (Liu Kang, one of his buyers, or someone who is honest and has a genuine interest in what we are selling), or did we get the new and unused knife that we paid for and which was advertised. Instead, we can enjoy and focus more on those commonalities that bring us together as a community rather than having to constantly address the negatives that Liu Kang brings with him when he is here.
 
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Funny thing is I heard about LK before I even joined the forum. Over two years ago.
 
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I have watched so much of this that I just decided I would not invest in a Busse knife. It's pretty bad when one individual leaves such a bad taste in your mouth that you disregard the product all together.

Seems that every rule and concession that is made only affects the folks who are abiding by the rules, not the one who has become an expert and going around them.

This seems like a real easy solution to me. If you have a weed in the garden you pull it out.
 

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That's an easy answer, because of the length of the thread is very long to begin with and with all the pictures, I have, it will lock up a lot of people's computer and they can't view my thread. Many people have told me this. Another reason is because when Spark changed it to the no bumping rule, he said to break up the threads into smaller ones. Now we have all see some people put one knife in one post and do that five times in a row... but nobody complained about that. Come on, we all know I have more Busse no matter how you look at it, so it's going to take up room, I'm following all the rules just like everyone else. I have more knife in one of my post then anyone else.

I am glad I ain't Liu Kang, it would have already been a "flawless victory"
Nothing is fair, never has been & never will be.
A good rule of thumb is to worry about yourself & what you do, not what the next man does! you will be much happier this way!
And I knew a post about Liu Kang would get the OP of that long @SS GBU thread, another chance to voice his anger against LK.

I don't complain because somebody has more than me, I try to figure thigns out if I want to get ahead of them.
LK is right, face it he has more Busse available than Busse does!

Just my $0.02

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I think all sellers that offer insurance at extra cost should provide insurance from the shipper or a recognized insurance company. If I have to pay for insurance then I want something other than "self insured". Self insured is fine if I am not being charged for it.

That old junk Again! it didn't even happen to you & saying that he is responsbile for it means that it was covered! How would ol boy feel if something happened & Dan insured & the USPS said it would take 3 months for the claim to be processed? The guy would still be on her complaining, because he ALMOST cut his finger!! If your worried about safety first, try buying a knife with a sheath to begin with next time!
 
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