"Living With a Little Giant" The rebuild and continued maintenance of my 50lb hammer.

...I found the serial number today, it's No. 950, a pretty early hammer. By the book, this would have been made in 1906. It originally would have had the K6 clutch spider (fibrous belting), but was retrofitted with the K06 spider with wood clutch blocks. It has the old-style ram with T-toggle links. I need to order a spring, and rent the babbitting mandrel and collars. Guess I'll call up Little Giant tomorrow...

Fantastic Salem! I am constantly impressed by the phenomenal knowledge base, skill sets and experience of so many of you fine folks. How in the world do you guys know all this stuff. In addition to the cool resurrection photos, just "listening" to all the lingo and techno-terminology is a blast too! To quote a friend, "Lovin every minute" of it!
 
I'm glad you guys are reading my thread and enjoying it. I have to confess Phil, I've been researching this hammer a lot, but have little previous knowledge of these things. A smith in town here (who also owns a #50 LG) was good enough to loan me his book on LG rebuilding, and another guy in the area has one as well.

So, while I may occasionally sound like a hammer egghead, it's mostly regurgitated recently learned knowledge. I do learn well from books.

Luckily there is a wealth of info out there now about these things, and forums full of great folks like yourselves who generously help.

I'm going to try to get the shaft steel again today, wish me luck.
 
Very cool stuff! :)

I'd imagine Salem is talking about The Little Giant Power Hammer by Richard Kern. I bought a copy several years ago, but I've heard it's one of those books that is out of print so people are paying crazy prices (i.e. $400) for a used copy.
 
Count...
I spoke with those folks earlier. The book is currently on backorder from the publishers. They expect to have copies in-hand this summer sometime. Hopefully that works out.
Erin
 
Count...
I spoke with those folks earlier. The book is currently on backorder from the publishers. They expect to have copies in-hand this summer sometime. Hopefully that works out.
Erin

Thanks

I have Sid's video - and I feel I could do a rebuild from it, but I would like to have the book too eventually.
 
That is the book I'm talking about, it's very in-depth and I recommend it wholeheartedly. The only thing I'll say about it is that it seems to be centered on rebuilding the newer model 50 pounders. I wish it covered older models better in some of the areas of difference, and if I had a #250 or #500 I might be perturbed as well by some lack of info.

Most of it does pertain generally to all of the LG's, though. Some of the work shown in the book seems a bit heroic. I admire that.

I went and bought 22" of 2" round cold rolled mild steel today, to use for the dummy shaft when pouring the babbitt. It cost me $35, but at least I'll have it on hand from now on in case the babbitt needs re-pouring (knock on wood.)
 
Salem,

If you take your time and make all the proper preparations when you pour the babbit and then oil them as recommend I doubt you'll ever have to do it again. I'm not sure if you've ever heard references to the Gunther's in New Mexico I believe, but Sid poured a set of babbits for them. After 7 years of almost day use Sid finally had to remove one thin shim.

If we can be of any help with the pour let us know.

Dave from Diller
 
Next, I made up a turnbuckle type adjustable clutch linkage rod...

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Then I turned to wiring power and switches to the hammer. The motor I got is 3 phase, so I'm running it with my VFD.

I patched the machine into the power-out lines from the VFD:

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I added a switch to the power-to-grinder lines in the grinding room:

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I ran the power along the wall and over the door to the machine, and added a switch within reach of the hammer:

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The hammer, with motor tested operational in place.

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Right now, I have on order a pulley for the motor shaft:

Fixed Bore Two Groove Sheave, OD 3.15 Inches, 4L or A Belt Pitch Diameter 2.4 Inches, 5L or B Belt Pitch Diameter 2.8 Inches, 1 Inch Bore Size, Cast Iron
Grainger Item # 3X518

So, with a 4L belt, the hammer run speed calcs out to just short of 350 rpm. Just right.

I've been fabricating new toggle links, both with threaded ends for adjustability. I'll both the pics of that soon. Also, hopefully the babbitt pour pics.

Thanks for reading.
 
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It's totally inappropriate to show pics of an LG build here....;) That is too sexy! Leaving all us guys madly searching craigslist for one of our own.....:D

Almost time for a hammerin at your place!
 
A hammer in up here would be pretty awesome. I'd insist on throwing knives and drinking beer as well, probably. Not even necessarily in that order. Need to get my new second anvil by then, though.
 
So, I finally did the Babbitt pour. My good friend Laif came over to help, he’s one of the guys that helped me move this thing in the first place. Here’s some pics and text of how the day went:

We marked center lines on the shaft ends.

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I cut some thick leather and made little stands for the shaft, checked to make sure it was centered vertically with the top of the pedestal. We made sure it was centered horizontally, and with the shaft shimmed up on the leather, we ran a framing level up from the hammer slide face, then checked with a square against the shaft to make sure they were truly perpendicular. We got lucky, everything was easy to get centered and square.

We made cardboard templates, then cut some 1/8” steel shims for the pedestal bolting surfaces.

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I’ve read to use brass shim stock, in a bewildering array of thicknesses, all designed to facilitate the removal of minute amounts of thickness to tighten the bearing as it wears. After a conversation with Sid Suedmeier, (very helpful, nice guy) I felt it was okay to revert to my default blacksmith sensibility and just use steel for now. I can grind them thinner as needed, or make some thin shims later. I didn’t feel like spending $200 on brass shim stock and three days cutting shims.

We cut out four plywood dams, using an adjustable bit and dremel to make the 2” holes tap-fit onto the shaft.

We blackened the shaft thoroughly with an acetylene flame. This is best done with the shaft off of the pedestals. By the end of the day, we figured it’s best to pre-heat the shaft now, too. The inner boards were installed prior to blackening.

With the shaft sooted, we put it up on the leather shims, and slid on the outer boards. After originally centering, we had clamped the shims onto the pedestals so they’d hold as a reference for replacing the shaft. This worked well.

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We slid on the outer boards, then used bar clamps to snug the boards up tight to the pedestals, one on each side, four total. After clamping, we removed the shims.

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With the assembly clamped in, we caulked it all up with Babbittrite damming compound. We made a little dam along each side of the top of the bearing, to help pour in and keep in any over flow.

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With the assembly ready to pour, we fired up the rosebud torch and threw the old Babbitt scraps in the melting pot. The torch quickly melted them; stirring with a wood stick helped.

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We skimmed the schmutz off the top with a tablespoon, and when the stir stick toasted nicely in the babbitt, we poured the metal into a ladle, then poured the front bearing.

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It didn’t flow very well. The ladle needed to be pre-heated. Oops. Also, the shaft and pedestal needed more heat. We figured right away it would need to be re-poured.

Armed with our lesson from the first bearing, we melted more. This time, we took a plumbing torch and pre-heated the shaft and pedestals a lot more before the pour. Also, we blasted the ladle a bit with the rosebud right before transfer.

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The second bearing went a lot better. It’s all about thorough pre-heat.

We waited ten minutes, then took the shaft off. The first one we poured did need to be taken out, not too hard with some tapping and judicious cold chisel work. The back bearing was much better, and stayed.

We re-blackened and heated, re-assembled the shaft and dams up etc., and re-poured the front lower bearing. Laif ran the ladle this time, I got too close and a spatter of liquid babbitt hit me in the lips. It didn’t do as much damage as one might think; today I just have a little burn blister there. Nevertheless, don’t get your face close if possible, this stuff likes to spatter.

The re-pour went well.

We had to cut a lot of extra metal off the back bearing tops. We tied a porta-band, but ultimately an angle grinder with 36 grit flap wheel did a good job of hogging it off. I finished by rasping the tops, and scraping as needed with my knife, feeling the surface, scraping more, etc. Sid told me that scraping a chamfer along the middle of the top edge of the bearing works well to retain and distribute oil. This chamfer is deepest at the center of the top edge, and tapers to shallow nearing the bearing front/back ends. It stops ¼” short of the ends.

I did not use string or other methods to make oil channels in the Babbitt.

Here are the lower caps, finished and scraped level.

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We put the shims up, pre-heated the top bearing shells and the shaft well with the rosebud, then re-blackened the shaft. We quickly assembled the boards, clamps, and top bearing shells, then caulked them again with Babbittrite. Our idea was to heat everything really well, then assemble, quickly melt babbitt and pour, as the blackening/heating goes easier with the shaft out. Our method ended up working well.

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We melted more Babbitt. It took a good amount more than what I had left from the old bearings; Laif’s grandfather took an interest when our project was related to him, and sent along some new babbitt bearings for us to melt. They worked great. Thank you, sir!

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I poured the top front bearing in through the front oil hole, until the metal raised up out of the back oil hole. It went fine.

We melted one more batch of Babbitt, then poured the back top until the metal backed up out of the single oil hole. It also went well.

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We waited another ten minutes, then took it all apart. Everything looked as it should, we trimmed the ends back and scraped burrs off the edges. We wiped the shaft as clean as possible, check-fit it up with shims and bolts. It’s a tight fit, but can be turned by hand with effort. With some heavy oiling and 3hp driving it, it should be about right.

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Here’s Laif, the exuberant helper. Thanks, man.

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A few gratuitous shots of new tools I’ve acquired the past few days.

A Victor porta-torch.

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A new Dremel.

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My new smaller anvil, a Trenton #140.

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A Makita wood-turned-metal chop saw on L.T.L. from Laif.

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Thanks for staying tuned. I’m getting a lot closer to smashing steel with this thing.
 
A hammer in up here would be pretty awesome. I'd insist on throwing knives and drinking beer as well, probably. Not even necessarily in that order. Need to get my new second anvil by then, though.

Sounds awesome! I'm sure I could talk Greg Haile into a weekend roady and we could come put that hammer to work. :thumbup::thumbup:

Thanks or the detailed rebuild/pouring of the babbit. I get a bonus in February think I "need" ;) a Little Giant too....
 
Awesome work man.


It's incredible to see these old machines being put back in action, and crazy to think about the resurgence of old information associated with them. Can you imagine what it must have been like trying to find info on rebuilding these or other old hammers 15 years ago, when the proliferation of information over the internet was in it's infancy?

It's the status quo these days, but it's important to remember how many ways the net has enabled us, beyond social networking.
 
I still had to bolt the hammer down to it’s pad. So, with the hammer sitting just how I wanted it, I used the bolt holes in the hammer casting to guide the bit, drilling ½” holes an inch deep or so. Then, I used the engine hoist to pick the hammer up, and slid the pad out from under it. I had to block the hoist’s wheels up about 5 inches, to get clearance to slide the pad under it.

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I then finished drilling the holes through.

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I flipped the pad over, and used an adjustable bit in an old brace to counter bore the holes for washers and bolt heads. I had wanted to use some sort of rubber belting between the hammer and pad, but hadn’t come up with anything. Then I remembered that the previous tenants had left a busted treadmill in the other shed… ten minutes and some knife work later, I had managed to cut a double layer of matting out of the old tread to put on the hammer pad.

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I set the hammer back down over the bolts with some help from my buddy Zack. Then we used the hoist to pick the crankshaft assembly onto the pedestals. I’m leaving the hoist there for now, as I’m going to have to pick the shaft up a bit again to get the two v-belts onto the big pulley.

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With the motor propped, I measured for belt length. I need to get two 4L V-belts at 55” length.

I scraped the inside of the clutch cone clean, and oiled it. I cut the adjustable clutch linkage rod to fit, and installed it for now.

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Sorry you all have to keep seeing me pose with this thing, heck I just think we look good together.
 
Salem, Thank you for taking your time to show us pictures of your build, I LOVE power Little Giants, I have a 25, and look forward to doing just what your doing on a 50 in the near future, GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!
 
I FORGED SOME STEEL ON THE HAMMER TONIGHT! It made short work of drawing out some 5/8" rebar, anyway.

After a marathon assembly/shimming/fitting parts session, I decided to fire it up. It works pretty darn well, hits hard and the clutch works fairly decent. It actually runs smoother than a friend's LG 50 that I've used.

I put it together with the old toggle arms, I'm still making the new ones with the knuckle on each side for adjustability. I just don't know anyone with a four jaw chuck to bore the knuckles, and can't afford the machining right now.

Also, there are issues with the alignment of the ram guide- I drove myself to distraction trying to shim it just so, to keep it from sticking at the top of the stroke. I still haven't got that figured out, I just ran it with the guide a little loose tonight.

I'll post pics soon.
 
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