Look what someone found

Really, the endgame is already taken care of. I said I had concerns. I posted why. I backed up those concerns. I've asked for answers. Pretty much I think we are all in agreement that Mick Strider lied, repeatedly, for years, right? I think that's a bad thing. I think that the greater good was served by collecting this information in one spot and posting it, especially since threads regarding Mick Strider tend to be very very very longgggggg and filled with misleading information. Which isn't suprising, given the claims Mick Strider has made.

Anyhow, past that, my motivations remain what I've stated since the beginning: I don't like people lying about their service record to steal the valor of those who did serve. I don't like felons talking about handling firearms & such. I don't like people lying to me, or the people on this website. Anything unreasonable there?

Kevin, really man, I understand ok. And partially in response to Mr. Linton, I had to play a very aggressive person on the other side to show you what can happen. I understand what you want to do, but you don't know all the intricacies in the legal stuff and you can get nailed hard on this. So really, consider going back through and keeping the safe stuff to post and canning the rest, and lock this thread and just lock them if they pop up again. I know there are some people who would love to see him go out of business, but anyone starting to go down that road has to travel very carefully because that REALLY starts to hit into unfair competition and other areas. Let the market forces control and people will sort this out eventually, but please be aware that an unintended consequence is that you may give him ammunition to go after your business (actually this is more directed at CS) and will you feel vindicated if your business goes under and he keeps plugging on?
 
I have an idea!

digitalrebelttu and Allan Mostad should argue with each other, and the rest of us should go out for coffee. :)
 
Kevin, really man, I understand ok. And partially in response to Mr. Linton, I had to play a very aggressive person on the other side to show you what can happen. I understand what you want to do, but you don't know all the intricacies in the legal stuff and you can get nailed hard on this. So really, consider going back through and keeping the safe stuff to post and canning the rest, and lock this thread and just lock them if they pop up again. I know there are some people who would love to see him go out of business, but anyone starting to go down that road has to travel very carefully because that REALLY starts to hit into unfair competition and other areas. Let the market forces control and people will sort this out eventually, but please be aware that an unintended consequence is that you may give him ammunition to go after your business (actually this is more directed at CS) and will you feel vindicated if your business goes under and he keeps plugging on?

You are the professional. Feel free to msg me about which specific posts raise red flags to you, and I'll edit them.
 
imho this is all just getting out of hand now, in some ways i hope ya all end up in court spitting and snarling at each other, this reminds me of something anna nichol smith would be involved in, buncha BS.

every time i read this i feel a need to bathe.

i expect to see a report about this on "E" network soon lol, right after the stuff about michael jackson, anna & simon.

i dont think there is a good guy in this anymore, ya all look foolish to me.

how long do ya folks intend to hash this out? come on ya can only go back and forth so many times.

i guess i just dont care one way or another anymore, but mark my word, no good is coming outta this for anybody involved imho.

edited to add: as far as cold steels website i doubt many folks that would be looking to buy a +$350 strider knife would ever go to the cold steel site anyway, i know in probably 10 yrs i have never been there, not even once, till i went to see what all the fuss was about, all it did for me was show what a big baby LT is, i havent been interested in anything they have made in yrs anyway, so i dont see how that would be relevant to anything anyway.
 
Feel free to msg me about which specific posts raise red flags to you, and I'll edit them.

????

Does it show when you edit things in here Spark? Like, down at the bottom where with everyone else it shows the time stamp, etc., that something has been edited?

m1
 
You are the professional. Feel free to msg me about which specific posts raise red flags to you, and I'll edit them.


Kevin,

First, I want to make perfectly clear that I am not your lawyer and you are under no obligation to follow my advice at all. Neither am I a lawyer for or in any way connected with any other party here, so this is not anyone telling you do this or else or anything like that. It is merely me pointing out areas where it would be prudent to be careful. I'm doing it as a post so that anyone else can see what I'm saying and comment if they want to or tell you to ignore me if you want to.

My first reaction to the above was to think "all of it"- however, I think your purposes of informing people about this would be served by sticking to the factual stuff- the criminal docket, FOIA DD214, the osman settlement, Strider's own postings, quotes from magazines. Keep that basic info and get rid of most, if not all, of the commentary. There is enough in public documents for people to make up their own minds. What the problems that I see in what you posted revolve around is when you try to connect the dots and you end up speculating and, whether you are doing it intentional or not, it looks like you are accusing him of crimes- i.e. the corp. stuff and the firearms.

Specifically, first post- most of this is your summary and I think most should go, particularly, your opinions in the second paragraph. You can let the facts posted later cover most of that.
Sec 1- facts, ok. Sec 2- keep facts about the FOIA DD214 and get rid of the rest of the speculation as to how/why he left the Army or the Rangers. Sec 3- the posts from other people is ok, the speculating should go. Sec 4-same, his posts are ok, get rid of the speculation and inferences that you draw. Sec 5- same- the posts are ok, but the speculation is the last few lines is bad. Sec 6- all speculation- out. Sec 7- post is ok, your inferences about it being spec-ops heavy hitters- out. Sec 8-Same, his own posts and the docket speak for themselves, leave out the commentary. Sec 9- Same, his own posts speak for themselves, leave them and take out your conclusions. Sec 10- ok. Sec 11- posts ok, all the rest is speculation based on very little info- this is one of the parts where I had real problems with. Sec 12- posts ok, speculation out. Sec 13-Another section that I had real problems with- his own posts are ok, I would get rid of all the rest, looks like you are accusing of a crime on very thin evidence. Sec 14- the advertising copy is ok but get rid of your comments on it.


Just being clear again, you are under no obligation to follow my advice. I hope Mr. Linton chimes in, but basically the above is this- take out all the commentary and leave the factual material only. Mr. Strider is perfectly capable of shooting himself in the foot and you can let his own words and the other basic facts-DD214, court files, speak for themselves.

And I think it would be a good idea to ask Cold Steel to not use your quotes, the real problems here arise with them posting the stuff on their website- most of the stuff with you personally is an overabundance of caution. What set the alarm bells off for me is when they posted that stuff. You, I doubt anyone would go after you personally because, I'm speculating here, you probably don't have a whole lot of money to fork over in a settlement. Cold Steel, on the other hand, is just frigging beyond stupid because posting it on their website makes it Cold Steel Inc's problem and that starts looking like a juicy target. And the big thing there for you is that they are quoting all of your stuff- the first thing that they would say if sued is, well we are just posting someone else's stuff. That's a bad argument but it drags you in.

So, that's how I feel, I hope Mr. Linton comments and I would also say you are absolutely free to make your decision. Certainly ask your personal lawyer and friends, family, etc...
 
????

Does it show when you edit things in here Spark? Like, down at the bottom where with everyone else it shows the time stamp, etc., that something has been edited?

m1

If I edit someone else's post for whatever reason it's logged in the back end control panel of the website. According to the logs, in the last year I've edited 2 posts made by other people - once where I hit the edit instead of the quote button and typed my response into his post (which I apologized for immediately and publicly in the post immediately following) and once to remove cross-forum bashing. That's it. I can toggle on and off the "edited by" tag, that doesn't matter to me though; the site policy is not to alter someone's content unless it's spam or completely out of bounds.
 
If I edit someone else's post for whatever reason it's logged in the back end control panel of the website. According to the logs, in the last year I've edited 2 posts made by other people - once where I hit the edit instead of the quote button and typed my response into his post (which I apologized for immediately and publicly in the post immediately following) and once to remove cross-forum bashing. That's it. I can toggle on and off the "edited by" tag, that doesn't matter to me though; the site policy is not to alter someone's content unless it's spam or completely out of bounds.

I'm sorry, my question was unclear. I was wondering if it shows when you edit your own posts.... digitalrebelttu said something to the effect a few posts back that it is not reflected when you edit your own posts. I was wondering if that is true?

Thanks,
m1
 
Oh, ok. I'm not sure if it does or not, let me check... doesn't look like it? There's probably a toggle somewhere for that. I know there's a "ninja edit" feature on here where if you edit your post within (whatever) minutes, it doesn't show up regardless, but it looks like it doesn't show when I edit my posts on this. I can turn it on if it makes a difference?
 
Oh, ok. I'm not sure if it does or not, let me check... doesn't look like it? There's probably a toggle somewhere for that. I know there's a "ninja edit" feature on here where if you edit your post within (whatever) minutes, it doesn't show up regardless, but it looks like it doesn't show when I edit my posts on this. I can turn it on if it makes a difference?

It just gets confusing when you say you are "updating" things to show new accurate information and there is nothing to show it's been updated. Same goes for, like digitalrebelttu said, someone goes to quote something you said, and it has changed or disappared without a trace or any tracking info.

In all honesty, I don't think anything makes a difference anymore Spark. Not even the edits. Certainly not this THIRD incarnation of the Cold Steel Web Site offering ... The original contents and each mutation have been saved, witnessed and documented by too many people.

Take care,

m1
 
Well I think I've been pretty forthright in my willingness to clear up any confusion; I've bent over backwards trying to discuss this.

As for Cold Steel, that's not my responsiblity. We'll see where the rest leads.
 
i dont see how anything that weirdo does is "cool", irregardless of strider/burgers actions LT is certainly no one i would aspire to be like, i'd love the oppertunity to chat with him on all this, of course him posting is about as likely as mick.
 
There's an idea.
Lynn, Mick and Kevin.
Sit down with a cup of Tea and resolve all these threads in one easy short thread.
"THE GREAT DEBATE" thread
 
There's an idea.
Lynn, Mick and Kevin.
Sit down with a cup of Tea and resolve all these threads in one easy short thread.
"THE GREAT DEBATE" thread

You're doing it all wrong. It'd have to be inside a pitch black complex in the middle of a demilitarized zone. Three go in, none ever come back out.... problem solved! Head back in there in two years, and they may even be friends! A CStrider collab of unlimited doom... kill the target from 20 feet away- the target won't even know they're dead, caused their body to not bleed, and thus make the kill as uber tactical as possible! How tyte would that be, yo!?
 
Certainly not this THIRD incarnation of the Cold Steel Web Site offering ... The original contents and each mutation have been saved, witnessed and documented by too many people.

It is my view that we should not make such a big deal about it when posts or websites change around to reflect a different way of thinking as cooler heads win out.

Example:
Lets say Knife company "X" puts on their offical website all kinds of foolish,childlike attacks against another knife maker.
Lets also say lots a people get all upset by this attacking website information.

While at first the people at company "X" might have felt that their attacks against this other knife maker was the correct thing to do, after a while their hearts change about how they wish to display themselves to the world.
So they go back and edit their website to reflect better on their own reputations.

I dont have a problem with this at all...

Infact I dont think anyone should have a problem with this , because if we make a big deal out of it this would only serve to show there is no point in changing one's mind or editing one's views at all.

People should have the chance to go back and change, remove, and edit past websites and posts on the internet to better rerflect what they feel now...and not just be forever stuck with text that might have been writen in anger, (or drunkeness) and does no longer truly reflect what a person now feels is what he wants people to know and remember about himself.

Thus, if COLD STEEL has started to edit and change something about their website?......thats cool....

Allowing people the chance to change their past posts, actually also allows them to change their current views.
Not allowing people to change their past posts without being called on the carpet over it, only serves to glue people to their past views with no point in concidering to change them.

After all, the real truth of the matter is that the past is the past.
And the past is forever in the past...
We cant back-up earth history, we cant go back in time to change even the smallest errors in judgement of our own history we can only concern ourselves with the "now" and the "future" as they are the times when we can change our minds and seek to forgive past hurts and move on to being seen as true Peace Makers...
 
Back
Top