Look what someone found

[bgspecialk]

SpEcTeR
That`s exactly what I was trying to convey

 

[Spark]

digitalrebelttu -
1, the thread I started wasn't a "personal attack" unless you are going to say the facts are personal attacks. What people used against me, on the other hand, would easily fall into that category.

2, I can't comment on what Strider will or will not do. It's been mentioned before that the truth is an absolute defense against libel & slander, but that's a matter for the courts. I do find it interesting that everyone is interested in holding everyone other than Mick Strider accountable for such behavior.

3, AFAIK these threads get moved to GB&U as soon as we're aware of them. The one that was in the buck forum was locked and moved. This one was moved. End of story. If there are others, I haven't seen them.

 

[digitalrebelttu]

digitalrebelttu -
1, the thread I started wasn't a "personal attack" unless you are going to say the facts are personal attacks. What people used against me, on the other hand, would easily fall into that category.

2, I can't comment on what Strider will or will not do. It's been mentioned before that the truth is an absolute defense against libel & slander, but that's a matter for the courts. I do find it interesting that everyone is interested in holding everyone other than Mick Strider accountable for such behavior.

3, AFAIK these threads get moved to GB&U as soon as we're aware of them. The one that was in the buck forum was locked and moved.

Spark, we can squable over what is and is not a personal attack all day- the information you posted was of a personal nature, true? Now, I know after looking that there is a lot of backstory with you, Strider, Chris Osman, TAG, SOE, John Willis, etc... This stuff has also come out several times now, although the other post here was the first that I saw of it.

Was it truthful? Probably some or most but there is a fair bit of speculation there. Protected speech, yea, probable from the view point of defamation, Strider is a public figure and has made his private life a matter of public importance. Actual malice- I don't know- maybe/

The problem is now that LT is posting the stuff on the front page of his company website and it is the stuff from here and links to here. That is a problem b/c that starts hitting under the unfair competition statutes that most states have- I'm talking misappropriation, false advertising, disparagement, unfair trade practices- along with other torts like interference with contract, invasion of privacy, etc... The truth is NOT a defense under those. I'll tell you this- I supported the outing of the stuff, I discussed some legal stuff, but I'm telling you now that LT is going to get smacked on this now and it is linked to you.

It is not holding everyone else accountable but Strider, Strider put his foot way in it, the problem is that now other people are putting their foot into other problems, and it goes from people (consumers) bs'ing about it on a forum to business competitors using it in their advertising.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

But back to the true thread's subject. Lynn Thompson should be ashamed of himself. I find it interesting that no one has mentioned the fact that Cold Steel or owner Lynn Thompson has a knife on his site for sale that is a direct copy or piss-poor forgery of a Strider Design thats been around for years..... .....I'm sure most can't get past the initial infomercial. :barf:

Probably because there was a huge thread a little while ago that started out being about that knife. Of course, it quickly degenerated into a pro-Cold Steel, pro-Strider, anti-Cold Steel, anti-Strider thread.

 

[Spark]

Spark, we can squable over what is and is not a personal attack all day- the information you posted was of a personal nature, true? Now, I know after looking that there is a lot of backstory with you, Strider, Chris Osman, TAG, SOE, John Willis, etc... This stuff has also come out several times now, although the other post here was the first that I saw of it.

My history with Strider is readily apparrent. Past that, I have no history with anyone other than Osman that you've mentioned, and I only even heard of him at SHOT of this year. So no, there isn't a "lot" of backstory involving me and those guys, at all.

Was it truthful? Probably some or most but there is a fair bit of speculation there. Protected speech, yea, probable from the view point of defamation, Strider is a public figure and has made his private life a matter of public importance. Actual malice- I don't know- maybe/

If you are going to question the veracity of anything I posted, be specific. We've had over a month of discussion on the subject of Strider's background, and so far nobody has been able to point out any "lies" other than what's come out of Mick's mouth and fingers. As for malice, good luck with that.

The problem is now that LT is posting the stuff on the front page of his company website and it is the stuff from here and links to here. That is a problem b/c that starts hitting under the unfair competition statutes that most states have- I'm talking misappropriation, false advertising, disparagement, unfair trade practices- along with other torts like interference with contract, invasion of privacy, etc... The truth is NOT a defense under those. I'll tell you this- I supported the outing of the stuff, I discussed some legal stuff, but I'm telling you now that LT is going to get smacked on this now and it is linked to you.

That's his problem, not mine. I'm not responsible for anything he says, or vice versa. I've been very careful to back up any statements I've made with citations & documentation. What Lynn Thompson does is his own business, it's not mine.

It is not holding everyone else accountable but Strider, Strider put his foot way in it, the problem is that now other people are putting their foot into other problems, and it goes from people (consumers) bs'ing about it on a forum to business competitors using it in their advertising.

The term I love hearing is "witch hunt" especially the crying about how unfair it is that Mick Strider is being subjected to such things. Despite, you know, his "witch hunts" involving: me, Maxpedition, Cold Steel, Osman, etc. This is a pretty clear example of "what goes around, comes around" and Mick's reaping what he's sown. If Mick Strider doesn't like his "competitors" talking about his misdeeds, maybe he shouldn't have been so quick to lash out at them first.

 

[SpEcTeR]

Probably because there was a huge thread a little while ago that started out being about that knife. Of course, it quickly degenerated into a pro-Cold Steel, pro-Strider, anti-Cold Steel, anti-Strider thread.

Must have missed it.

Again, regardless of what side you stand on. Strider designed, created, manufactured and sold this knife years before Cold Steel. Many years at that.

Now whether Strider can sue or if the minor differences make a good case....I'll leave that up to the attorneys.

Truth is, the blade's design was copied and is now up for sale. Lawsuit or not, it shows what kind of company Cold Steel really is. Copies designs to make money and takes dumps on his own back yard. This gets better and better.

 

[thombrogan]

I do find it interesting that everyone is interested in holding everyone other than Mick Strider accountable for such behavior.

I'm not holding anyone accountable for any part of this. Yes, I want to know the truth, but neither you, nor Mick, nor Lynn, nor Chris, nor anyone else owes it to me.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I certainly have no admiration for the way Lynn Thompson does business.

 

[digitalrebelttu]

If you are going to question the veracity of anything I posted, be specific. We've had over a month of discussion on the subject of Strider's background, and so far nobody has been able to point out any "lies" other than what's come out of Mick's mouth and fingers. As for malice, good luck with that.

I'm not questioning veracity of the facts, i.e. the docket statement, etc... I question the conclusions and speculation surrounding those facts. For example- Strider is incorporated to circumvent federal contracting laws- which laws are those? You haven't cited any. In fact, you were claiming the company was formed in Dwyer's name until I told you in the other thread that he was an agent for service of process. Mick leaving the Ranger Batt- of course we have a DD-214 but you conclude that he was tossed for some reason other than physical b/c of your experience, but you don't provide any factual support for that. You provided the info that he violated the conditions of his probation by carrying a gun. Your evidence of that is his words and the terms of his probation. However, and I pointed this out in the other thread, the terms of his probation were modified after his release from prison and we don't know what the modified terms are- so you are accusing him of a crime without the full evidence. While one is protected as to factual information for a claim of defamation, speculation is not covered. Amazing how you can listen to my legal opinion when it goes your way but ignore it when not.

That's his problem, not mine. I'm not responsible for anything he says, or vice versa. I've been very careful to back up any statements I've made with citations & documentation. What Lynn Thompson does is his own business, it's not mine.

Newsflash- LT is posting your exact words from the other thread, with a link to this website. You're in it too whether you like it or not

The term I love hearing is "witch hunt" especially the crying about how unfair it is that Mick Strider is being subjected to such things. Despite, you know, his "witch hunts" involving: me, Maxpedition, Cold Steel, Osman, etc. This is a pretty clear example of "what goes around, comes around" and Mick's reaping what he's sown. If Mick Strider doesn't like his "competitors" talking about his misdeeds, maybe he shouldn't have been so quick to lash out at them first.

Wow, above you talked about not showing malice, but here you say that Mick is getting what he deserves. OK. We lawyers have a very real reason to tell clients to shut up, because the more you talk, the deeper the hole gets. And that is what you're doing, I warned people of this in the other thread, but hey, who wants to listen to me? You just provided the evidence that you posted what you did to get back at Mick for his witch hunt of you and others. Nice. I posted a lot in the other thread b/c the Strider crap is that- crap- a bunch of bs puffery to sell their knives, but that doesn't give a free pass to go beyond what is public info and certainly doesn't give anyone the ability to post this stuff on their corporate website.

And at this point I'm done, I posted before that I would Cougar to please lock my account and I will ask that again, since I can't find where there is info on how I can cancel my account, but this kind of stupidity makes me want to take a shower to get the stench off.

Bye, and Ira, I was jerking your chain, have a good one.

 

[Cougar Allen]

no one has mentioned the fact that Cold Steel or owner Lynn Thompson has a knife on his site for sale that is a direct copy or piss-poor forgery of a Strider Design

Um .. yeah ... only a couple of hundred posts in four or five threads amounts to "no one has mentioned" ... I guess ...

 

[Michelle]

3, AFAIK these threads get moved to GB&U as soon as we're aware of them. The one that was in the buck forum was locked and moved. This one was moved. End of story. If there are others, I haven't seen them.

Well, this one hasn't been moved yet.

<snip>

ETA: Never mind. My bad. FTFSI on my part. Sorry.

m1

 

[wolfmann601]

Bye, and Ira, I was jerking your chain, have a good one.

Me too, I hope we can be civil now..................

I will correct my profile and put in the truth!!

 

[Neil Ostroff]

There must be a lot of days lately that Mick just doesn't feel like getting out of bed.

Actually, he gets out of bed every day and puts in a full day of knife making and running the business.

But, it is very nice of you be so concerned- I will relay your best wishes to him.

Neil

 

[Michelle]

Originally Posted by Spark

If you are going to question the veracity of anything I posted, be specific. We've had over a month of discussion on the subject of Strider's background, and so far nobody has been able to point out any "lies" other than what's come out of Mick's mouth and fingers. As for malice, good luck with that.

I'm not questioning veracity of the facts, i.e. the docket statement, etc... I question the conclusions and speculation surrounding those facts. For example- Strider is incorporated to circumvent federal contracting laws- which laws are those? You haven't cited any. In fact, you were claiming the company was formed in Dwyer's name until I told you in the other thread that he was an agent for service of process. Mick leaving the Ranger Batt- of course we have a DD-214 but you conclude that he was tossed for some reason other than physical b/c of your experience, but you don't provide any factual support for that. You provided the info that he violated the conditions of his probation by carrying a gun. Your evidence of that is his words and the terms of his probation. However, and I pointed this out in the other thread, the terms of his probation were modified after his release from prison and we don't know what the modified terms are- so you are accusing him of a crime without the full evidence. While one is protected as to factual information for a claim of defamation, speculation is not covered. Amazing how you can listen to my legal opinion when it goes your way but ignore it when not.
That's his problem, not mine. I'm not responsible for anything he says, or vice versa. I've been very careful to back up any statements I've made with citations & documentation. What Lynn Thompson does is his own business, it's not mine.

Newsflash- LT is posting your exact words from the other thread, with a link to this website. You're in it too whether you like it or notThe term I love hearing is "witch hunt" especially the crying about how unfair it is that Mick Strider is being subjected to such things. Despite, you know, his "witch hunts" involving: me, Maxpedition, Cold Steel, Osman, etc. This is a pretty clear example of "what goes around, comes around" and Mick's reaping what he's sown. If Mick Strider doesn't like his "competitors" talking about his misdeeds, maybe he shouldn't have been so quick to lash out at them first.

Wow, above you talked about not showing malice, but here you say that Mick is getting what he deserves. OK. We lawyers have a very real reason to tell clients to shut up, because the more you talk, the deeper the hole gets. And that is what you're doing, I warned people of this in the other thread, but hey, who wants to listen to me? You just provided the evidence that you posted what you did to get back at Mick for his witch hunt of you and others. Nice. I posted a lot in the other thread b/c the Strider crap is that- crap- a bunch of bs puffery to sell their knives, but that doesn't give a free pass to go beyond what is public info and certainly doesn't give anyone the ability to post this stuff on their corporate website.

And at this point I'm done, I posted before that I would Cougar to please lock my account and I will ask that again, since I can't find where there is info on how I can cancel my account, but this kind of stupidity makes me want to take a shower to get the stench off.

Wow. Talk about saving someone from billable hours.

m1

 

[Cougar Allen]

Michelle, that last post is pretty confusing. You seem to be trying to quote several people in one post and interspersing your own comments, but it's not at all clear to me who said what.

It's hard to know how to help you without knowing which editor you're using ... there are three editor options at Bladeforums. The editor I use has a quote button that looks like this:

If you highlight the portion of your post that's a quote and click that, the highlighted text will appear as a quote. Then at least we'll know you didn't write that part....

 

[Spark]

I'm not questioning veracity of the facts, i.e. the docket statement, etc... I question the conclusions and speculation surrounding those facts. For example- Strider is incorporated to circumvent federal contracting laws- which laws are those? You haven't cited any. In fact, you were claiming the company was formed in Dwyer's name until I told you in the other thread that he was an agent for service of process.

You need to be very specific if you are going to make such allegations, because I've been. As for the allegations about Mick Strider forming a corporation to avoid the "felon selling to the government" issue, will his own words do?

See, everyone, the plan was that a felon can’t contract with the US Government. Which of course is much of our business. Kevin wishes he could have it, and thinks if we didn’t have it, he would.
Good news for us! We’re a Corporation. Sammy don’t care about felons no-mo!

http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-b...ebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000509;p=1#000022

Would you say it's speculation there, counselor?

Mick leaving the Ranger Batt- of course we have a DD-214 but you conclude that he was tossed for some reason other than physical b/c of your experience, but you don't provide any factual support for that.

Again, you have to be specific. I stated that I found it hard to believe such a story, especially given his other credibility issues and my personal experience. Opinions are allowed to be just that.

You provided the info that he violated the conditions of his probation by carrying a gun. Your evidence of that is his words and the terms of his probation. However, and I pointed this out in the other thread, the terms of his probation were modified after his release from prison and we don't know what the modified terms are- so you are accusing him of a crime without the full evidence.

Again, be specific. I showed the mag pouches & holsters. Quotes were provided of him talking about doing mag dumps, having "throwables" and wanting pistols for carry. But I did not say "THIS IS PROOF!"

While one is protected as to factual information for a claim of defamation, speculation is not covered. Amazing how you can listen to my legal opinion when it goes your way but ignore it when not.

Amazing that you are willing to jump to conclusions without basing them on facts yourself, counselor.

Newsflash- LT is posting your exact words from the other thread, with a link to this website. You're in it too whether you like it or not

Newsflash - everything I stated as fact, I'll stand behind. Every opinion I have, I'll stand behind and stated it as such. I've repeatedly stated that any incorrect information should be corrected and literally begged for evidence disproving anything I've had to say. So far, none's come up.

If there's going to be a suit, it'll come regardless. It'll be interesting to see what happens during discovery.

 

[PatriotDan]

Spark, were you approached by Lynn Thomson to use your Strider material for the Cold Steel site? And did you agree to that?

Thank you.

 

[stevetexas]

Ladies and Gentlemen ,

I would like to hear what Buck Knives has to say about post 1-15 at this URL?

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453852&highlight=strider+explaining

I had expected Buck to be above Cold Steel and that Buck would stand behind our boys and girls who are in combat. I am sorry to see that Buck stands with the Wanabee.

I do not know Mickey Ray Burger/Strider in person. All I do is stand for the ones I knew and stood beside who are now dead. They do not have anyone to speak for them now.

 

[n00b3r]

Why doesn't the Cold Steel guy attack the knives that Strider makes? I'm sure he could come up with someway of doing so, but it probably won't be as effective as attacking the character of a knife maker....

EDIT:
To the gentleman above....That certain Wannabee supports the troops, does that count for anything?

 

[stevetexas]

Why doesn't the Cold Steel guy attack the knives that Strider makes? I'm sure he could come up with someway of doing so, but it probably won't be as effective as attacking the character of a knife maker....

EDIT:
To the gentleman above....That certain Wannabee supports the troops, does that count for anything?

I am sure that his little bit of troop support also gets him many thousands in profit.

Duhhhhhh....it is just good business

I'm sorry that my spelling sucks.

Steve