"Made in Sheffield" 1830-1930, A golden age ?

I know just what you mean Ed. Thank you, quite possibly, I reckon :) :thumbsup:

Always nice to get the wee pouch, this Rodgers Three-blade Penknife, also in ivory, has a more traditional one :)

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Ah wow, original pouch and all.
I love that gracefully belly Rodgers put on the smaller blade.
Would Rodgers be your favoured Cutler?
 
Ah wow, original pouch and all.
I love that gracefully belly Rodgers put on the smaller blade.
Would Rodgers be your favoured Cutler?
Thanks :) Good question, I don't pass up on many old Sheffield knives, and like a number of cutlers in particular, but Rodgers were arguably the finest of their day :)

The knife-purse on this old Rodgers MOP Lobster has seen better days :)

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Thanks :) Good question, I don't pass up on many old Sheffield knives, and like a number of cutlers in particular, but Rodgers were arguably the finest of their day :)

The knife-purse on this old Rodgers MOP Lobster has seen better days :)

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Nice little Rodgers

I've a few JR&S' can't quite work out if they all fit the 1830-1930 bracket but even the questionable ones are rock solid cutters

 
Nice little Rodgers

I've a few JR&S' can't quite work out if they all fit the 1830-1930 bracket but even the questionable ones are rock solid cutters

Thank you :) Sometimes the Royal Warrant tang-stamps are helpful, this knife for example can be dated to the reign of King Edward VII, which for our purposes, was conveniently short - 1901 to 1910 ;)

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Thank you :) Sometimes the Royal Warrant tang-stamps are helpful, this knife for example can be dated to the reign of King Edward VII, which for our purposes, was conveniently short - 1901 to 1910 ;)

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That would help

But with my collection sticking to 3" closed single blade folders.

I don't think they were often marked like that? Can't see how, after the JR&S, No 6 Norfolk Street, Sheffield, England, Star and cross there'd be any room left on the blade :D
 
That would help

But with my collection sticking to 3" closed single blade folders.

I don't think they were often marked like that? Can't see how, after the JR&S, No 6 Norfolk Street, Sheffield, England, Star and cross there'd be any room left on the blade :D

Well, it's quite common to find those kind of markings on old Rodgers knives. Obviously, there are many things which help us to determine the age of old Sheffield knives, but in the case of Rodgers, that is one of them. Take the Lobster I posted earlier, which is actually quite tiny, the tang stamp says 'Cutlers to Her Majesty'. That isn't a knife from post-1953, so the Queen in question is Victoria - who, for our purposes had an inconveniently LONG reign (1819-1901)! ;) :D :thumbsup:
 
I can see that when it's more than a single blade but how would have worked with single blade folders of the same period? with the JR&S on the body of the blade and the No 6 Norfolk Street, Sheffield, England or there abouts on the same side at the tang and the star and cross on the back of the tang where would the 'Cutlers to' have been stamped?
 
Thanks Duncan, I was pleased to find that one. As you know Rase Knives are usually very much working tools, and not really something you could carry in your pocket. Stan Shaw made one or two, by request, from time to time. When I showed him the Butler, he'd never seen anything like it, and his first comment, (since the Rase Knife usually just has the single blade, with the notch on the other side), was "Thi've got it wrong way round!" 😁👍

Added to the sheepsfoot jack collection with a Thomas Turner & Co stag Encore stamped. Has a timber scribe secondary, you don't find these 2 blades all that often.



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Beautiful! You've been time travelling again Augie and brought back a goodun. As per Jack's recollection of Stans "they've got it backwards" comment, it is indeed flipped.
Maybe Jack's is for a right hander but it doesn't seem to fit with that if it's the lesser spotted version in that orientation.
Was the use of these timber scribes for carving hearts and forget-me-nots in trees or was there a work application like in a sawmill? Seems too stout and business like for the former....

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Smudge that is awesome. I have an example of Brookes and Crookes and it demonstrates the fine workmanship of the company's output but that's a fave pattern of mine, the manicuring blades a sweet addition imo. Is it ivory and how does it walk and talk? Pic of it closed and spine please?

On a simar vibe and further to Jack's sweet Needham Brothers carry of late here's this 3 blade whittler I've been minding also in ivory...



 
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Beautiful! You've been time travelling again Augie and brought back a goodun. As per Jack's recollection of Stans "they've got it backwards" comment, it is indeed flipped.
Maybe Jack's is for a right hander but it doesn't seem to fit with that if it's the lesser spotted version in that orientation.
Was the use of these timber scribes for carving hearts and forget-me-nots in trees or was there a work application like in a sawmill? Seems too stout and business like for the former....


Smudge that is awesome. I have an example of Brookes and Crookes and it demonstrates the fine workmanship of the company's output but that's a fave pattern of mine, the manicuring blades a sweet addition imo. Is it ivory and how does it walk and talk? Pic of it closed and spine please?

On a simar vibe and further to Jack's sweet Needham Brothers carry of late here's this 3 blade whittler I've been minding also in ivory...







Thanks Ed, as far as I know the timber scribe was used for marking anything wood, timber, shipping boxes, etc.
 
Thanks Ed, as far as I know the timber scribe was used for marking anything wood, timber, shipping boxes, etc.
That makes far more sense than my forget me nots carved on trees lol, maybe I'm just a romantic at heart :)
Here is a tree that lives near me.

I always smile when I pass it and wonder where these five friends ended up and are their kids still living in the area.
All these thoughts compliments of a sharp blade 106 years ago.

Enjoy the knife Augie and carve your initials and date someplace!
 
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I can see that when it's more than a single blade but how would have worked with single blade folders of the same period? with the JR&S on the body of the blade and the No 6 Norfolk Street, Sheffield, England or there abouts on the same side at the tang and the star and cross on the back of the tang where would the 'Cutlers to' have been stamped?
Despite the importance Rodgers placed on their Royal Warrants, and despite their very frequent use of blade stamps, they don't seem to have used it a great deal on single-blade folders. Since the majority of their knives were always made by Little Mesters and outworkers, perhaps they didn't want all those Royal stamps floating about Sheffield :D ;) :thumbsup:

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Added to the sheepsfoot jack collection with a Thomas Turner & Co stag Encore stamped. Has a timber scribe secondary, you don't find these 2 blades all that often.



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A nice addition my friend :) :thumbsup:
Thanks Ed, as far as I know the timber scribe was used for marking anything wood, timber, shipping boxes, etc.
As you say, scribes had an important function in terms of marking timber, barrels, wooden crates, etc. However, in 1699, following a petition from ship-owners and merchants two years earlier, and a decade of prior agitation, the passage of the Bulk Tobacco Act by the British Parliament, stopped tobacco being shipped in anything other than wooden 'cask, chest, or case each containing two hundredweight of neat Tobacco'. This was not only to prevent damage caused by climatic conditions and poor storage, but had the aim of preventing endemic pilferage ('sweepings'), which was regarded as a right and wage-supplement by everyone from the lowliest seaman and dockers, to the highest-ranking officers. Huge hogsheads became the primary shipping container, and as well as protecting the tobacco merchants goods, and ensuring the Crown received its full revenue, reduced unloading times were also central to the scheme, with labour costs, and the numbers of dockers needed to be employed, being reduced in turn. The cooper thus became a more important figure, and the timber scribe an essential tool, and of course it wasn't just tobacco that was shipped in hogsheads, vast amounts of sugar, alcohol, and all sorts of other goods, were shipped in this way. Pilferage of goods continued, but could only be carried out with the assistance of the cooper and his tools. As Peter Lindbaugh describes in The London Hanged, "They were the most craft-conscious workers of the river, whose hand skills gave them an authority among the river trades lasting into the twentieth century." Lindbaugh goes on to describe how the coopers 'lorded about' with their 'scribing irons'. By 1796, the powerful London coopers were lawfully permitted a 'sampling allowance' of 26lbs per hogshead, in addition to their wages. Since the shipping of freight did not just take place between America and Great Britain, and goods were often moved in barrels and wooden crates between every town and village, it's not hard to see how a method of marking ownership, and the security of sealed bungs and closures, would be an important function, requiring a special tool, and the skill to use it. The same can be said, of course, of every tree felled, and every plank of wood made from it.
 
Beautiful! You've been time travelling again Augie and brought back a goodun. As per Jack's recollection of Stans "they've got it backwards" comment, it is indeed flipped.
Maybe Jack's is for a right hander but it doesn't seem to fit with that if it's the lesser spotted version in that orientation.
Was the use of these timber scribes for carving hearts and forget-me-nots in trees or was there a work application like in a sawmill? Seems too stout and business like for the former....


Smudge that is awesome. I have an example of Brookes and Crookes and it demonstrates the fine workmanship of the company's output but that's a fave pattern of mine, the manicuring blades a sweet addition imo. Is it ivory and how does it walk and talk? Pic of it closed and spine please?

On a simar vibe and further to Jack's sweet Needham Brothers carry of late here's this 3 blade whittler I've been minding also in ivory...



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Despite the importance Rodgers placed on their Royal Warrants, and despite their very frequent use of blade stamps, they don't seem to have used it a great deal on single-blade folders. Since the majority of their knives were always made by Little Mesters and outworkers, perhaps they didn't want all those Royal stamps floating about Sheffield :D ;) :thumbsup:

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wow a to strike fire and hand forged blade - I would not be able to stop myself using it every day
 
Over four inch closed, creamy ivory, twin beefy springs with no wedge and a strange profile, what would you call it??

I read "Encore" was granted 1805, wonder how old it is...no England on the tang.

The tips had parted ways in the past but I gave it points back without meddling too much. Mucho sharp are all blades now and all snapping goodo. It's a big beastie and I like it.













 
Beautiful large swell center whittler or that's what I call it. Lovely old thick rounded ivory covers:thumbsup::thumbsup: I'm sure it feels great in hand.
I'll let someone more knowledgeable than me estimate it's age.
Over four inch closed, creamy ivory, twin beefy springs with no wedge and a strange profile, what would you call it??

I read "Encore" was granted 1805, wonder how old it is...no England on the tang.

The tips had parted ways in the past but I gave it points back without meddling too much. Mucho sharp are all blades now and all snapping goodo. It's a big beastie and I like it.













 
Beautiful large swell center whittler or that's what I call it. Lovely old thick rounded ivory covers:thumbsup::thumbsup: I'm sure it feels great in hand.
I'll let someone more knowledgeable than me estimate it's age.
It does feel wonderful in hand Rockman!
I have a couple of swell centre patterns but none with such a narrow end as it, but yes that must be what one would call it, thank you!
To my very untrained eye it's shape is reminiscent of early quill knives, except this one is huge:)
As to date I'm going to say 1860 as it looks very Victorian, to someone without a clue;)
 
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