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Esav Benyamin said:
Oh, gee ... let's try a little logic here ...

KAI/Kershaw is on record as making knives in China and Japan. If they tell us that, what sense would it make to lie about their American made knives?

Saying he has an incentive to lie is conspiracy theory doubletalk, and a back-handed personal insult. If you have evidence to support the allegation, let's have it. Otherwise, -- put a cork in it.
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shecky said:
I have no reason to think Thomas W is lying. But this logic is faulty. It seems he might have lots of incentive to lie, if he were inclined to do so, since his paycheck may be affected by divulging certain information. He's not an unbiased source.
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You are an idiot. Show proof or STFU.

Kershaw is owned by Kai. They make knives in the US, in China, and in Japan. Big woop. Each is well marked.

Thomas is one of the good guys.
 
The first good knives I ever had were Kershaw knives. Because they make knives in the USA is why my father will only use a Kershaw knife. Shecky? You should have a smear of intelligence before you try and throw a company under the bus when you have no idea of what you're talking about.

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Shecky calling somebody out for dishonesty and immoral actions is like Charles Manson telling Ted Kaczynski that he went too far.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Oh, gee ... let's try a little logic here ...

KAI/Kershaw is on record as making knives in China and Japan. If they tell us that, what sense would it make to lie about their American made knives?

Saying he has an incentive to lie is conspiracy theory doubletalk, and a back-handed personal insult. If you have evidence to support the allegation, let's have it. Otherwise, -- put a cork in it.
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C'mon, I did not allege Thomas is lying. I simply pointed out that saying Thomas W has no reason to lie is false. He is not an unbiased source of information. He has a vested interest in the well being of his employer. So to say he has no reason to lie is clearly false. He has every reason to do what brings more prosperity to his employer and increased security to his position.

The OP's hypothetical knife company is in the same position. Only in his hypothetical, it is assumed the company sees value in fibbing about the origins of it's wares. And they do it precisely because the are not an unbiased source of information about their own wares. They have privileged information that can give them an advantage in the market.

Anyone uptight about this should re read my post and point to where I say that Thomas actually did lie, or even thought about lying. As I said, I have no reason to think Thomas W lied. That's because he's been a good and verifiable source of info about his employer for a long time.

Whoda thunk you guys are so thin skinned and ready to shoot half cocked?
 
shecky said:
C'mon, I did not allege Thomas is lying. I simply pointed out that saying Thomas W has no reason to lie is false. He is not an unbiased source of information. He has a vested interest in the well being of his employer. So to say he has no reason to lie is clearly false. He has every reason to do what brings more prosperity to his employer and increased security to his position.

The OP's hypothetical knife company is in the same position. Only in his hypothetical, it is assumed the company sees value in fibbing about the origins of it's wares. And they do it precisely because the are not an unbiased source of information about their own wares. They have privileged information that can give them an advantage in the market.

Anyone uptight about this should re read my post and point to where I say that Thomas actually did lie, or even thought about lying. As I said, I have no reason to think Thomas W lied. That's because he's been a good and verifiable source of info about his employer for a long time.

Whoda thunk you guys are so thin skinned and ready to shoot half cocked?
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He has no reason to lie , because Kershaw has no reason to lie, your logic is clearly world values and is flawed, we are not thin skinned, you just spoke when you probably shouldn't have, that is all. My personal opinion is that if someone thinks that it is in their best interest to lie to help their company prosper, that their thinking is not logical, but simply warped. It reveals a lack of integrity.
 
shecky said:
C'mon, I did not allege Thomas is lying. I simply pointed out that saying Thomas W has no reason to lie is false. He is not an unbiased source of information. He has a vested interest in the well being of his employer. So to say he has no reason to lie is clearly false. He has every reason to do what brings more prosperity to his employer and increased security to his position.
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There would be no reason to even attempt to make this point unless you were intentionally inferring that he was lying. One could just as easily say something like:

"I'm not saying that Fred beats his wife and children, but it would be in his best interest to say that he doesn't beat his wife and children, so to say that Fred has no reason to lie say otherwise is clearly false."

STFU, and piss off, troll.
 
Whoda thunk innocent little you would need so convoluted an explanation of why you never said nuttin?

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Esav Benyamin said:
Whoda thunk innocent little you would need so convoluted an explanation of why you never said nuttin?
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Where exactly did I say Thomas W lied?

kershawguy said:
He has no reason to lie , because Kershaw has no reason to lie, your logic is clearly world values and is flawed, we are not thin skinned, you just spoke when you probably shouldn't have, that is all. My personal opinion is that if someone thinks that it is in their best interest to lie to help their company prosper, that their thinking is not logical, but simply warped. It reveals a lack of integrity.
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Yes. But that seems to be the point of the OP. Merely stamping "Made In USA" doesn't necessarily make it so. Some posters have alleged that this practice does, in fact, take place. But as I said earlier, it's all hearsay unless one can provide pretty good proof to back it up. People who have this kind of information are not likely to talk, and people who are quick to talk are not likely to really know.

Unless you are privy to the inner machinations of Kerhsaw, saying unequivocally they have no reason to lie holds about as much water as saying they are in fact lying. It's a sort of faith based declaration based on your preference (or lack thereof)for their wares. Saying that you have no reason to believe they lie, as I have, is something different, because you know your own intuition and are willing to trust their information. This a reflection of your values on yourself rather than a projection of your values on an entity you don't really know.

Lastly, a company that lies may be perfectly logical in their decision to do so. After all, lying may actually produce the desired result. But it does seem to exhibit a lack of integrity.
 
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shecky said:
Where exactly did I say Thomas W lied?



Yes. But that seems to be the point of the OP. Merely stamping "Made In USA" doesn't necessarily make it so. Some posters have alleged that this practice does, in fact, take place. But as I said earlier, it's all hearsay unless one can provide pretty good proof to back it up. People who have this kind of information are not likely to talk, and people who are quick to talk are not likely to really know.
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I give up man , you just are not listening. Good night.
 
Did I really just find a thread where somebody, Shecky, just questioned the validity of Kershaw's "Made in the USA" stamps on their Tualatin, OR knives?????? Are you kidding me?? Spend some time getting to know the company and the people who run it. If it says "Made in the USA", then that's where it came from. If it didn't, then it would say "Made in Japan" or "Made in China". How many times did you watch "The Pelican Brief"?? Your conspiracy theories are running rampant!

Can't believe this thread went this far off base.
 
jonnymac44 said:
Did I really just find a thread where somebody, Shecky, just questioned the validity of Kershaw's "Made in the USA" stamps on their Tualatin, OR knives?????? Are you kidding me?? Spend some time getting to know the company and the people who run it. If it says "Made in the USA", then that's where it came from. If it didn't, then it would say "Made in Japan" or "Made in China". How many times did you watch "The Pelican Brief"?? Your conspiracy theories are running rampant!

Can't believe this thread went this far off base.
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No, that's what everyone seems to think though.

Shecky actually has some good arguments although the problem is that Kershaw seems to have gotten involved as an example and that was probably not the right one.



All he seems to be saying is that it makes logical sense for a company to lie about the location of production if that increases sales. He also pointed out that this counts for any company. However no where did he imply that Kershaw is one of these companies only that the logic would apply to them as much as to any other company.

The thing that the logic does not take into account is the integrity that people heading a company have. This integrity would be the only thing keeping them from lying about the origin of their product.

By testimony from several sources we know that the people at Kershaw have this integrity that keeps them from lying about the origins.

Testimony can be just as hard evidence as is needed in cases where there is not visible hard proof.

For us there is no visible hard proof (most of us haven't been to the Kershaw factory and will never have a chance to) so we have to rely on the testimonies of at least 2 witnesses.

Enter Thomas W. and kershawguy

What Shecky also pointed out though is that since both the witnesses have a vested interest in the reputation of the company they might not be counted as reliable witnesses.

But personal dealings that people have had with them vouches for their vouching which is good enough for me.


Back to the topic at hand though.





I think a company COULD be lying about their manufacturing origins...although I think if they're a world wide player then the actual increase in sales might not be that high. I get the feeling that country of origin is an american sales argument that doesn't hold a lot of water outside of the states.
 
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