Man survives bear attack with knife

[dejard]

Doesn't matter who shot it, laws the law, and they decided to push it rather than give up a trophy for a night. Serves em' right for not being able to properly bring down an animal.

MN DNR:
SHOOTING HOURS
Shooting hours for big game are ½ hour before sunrise to ½ hour after
sunset.

The Minnesota DNR investigated the attack, as they normally do in incidents like these, and no charges were filed. So unless you have evidence that the Bear was shot illegally, your supposition is baseless...man crushes and lucky fools notwithstanding.

Time-frame note: From what I can gather, this event took place on September 27th and was first reported by McKenzie Gernes of KSTP - http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3573176.shtml.

 

[redman2006]

B3,
I have no man-crush or dog in this fight either way. I do think unethical hunters are a sorry lot. I am not a fan of bait. I will not take a questionable shot, but sometimes things happen, a deer jumps the sound of the string, a flinch, a twig you did not see....
I think what they did was foolish, I won't follow up on one without a handgun.
I also think that hunters and animals alike are lucky you are not a game warden. Leaving one out there suffering as you advocate it unethical and in many areas, illegal.

 

[B34NS]

Well they obviously let him take it home from what they said in the story. You can get all up in the technicalities of it, but it doesn't make any logical sense from a hunters perspective. Hi 60's at night that night, but who cares. 500LB of bear meat will not spoil overnight. They just didn't want something else coming and getting a bite in on their trophy. I'm just saying from a common sense perspective that guy did everything wrong. Not trying to rain on the parade of any mancrush's in here, just such a weird story.

I also think that hunters and animals alike are lucky you are not a game warden. Leaving one out there suffering as you advocate it unethical and in many areas, illegal.

How do you figure? You can always choose, not, to shoot something. Entire situation avoided. How is that hard to understand?

Yea he should have had a side arm to appropriately dispatch the bear rather than letting it suffer for 4 hours for no reason other than...I don't know. People do dumb things all the time

What was that dude thinking?! Think that fool is cool, check out this guy

[video=youtube;v92RmJjVFno]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v92RmJjVFno[/video]

 

[redman2006]

You are absolutely incorrect about the spoilage.

 

[B34NS]

You are absolutely incorrect about the spoilage.

I'm a classically trained chef and have cooked up plenty O bear. Explain?

 

[dejard]

From the Maryland DNR (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/huntersguide/BearHunt_Care.asp):

Bears have a tremendous amount of fat and a thick hide that provide great insulation. As a result, it is imperative that the hide be removed as soon as possible to prevent meat spoilage. If you anticipate any delay in getting your bear to a cooler, you should consider quartering it to allow the heavier portions to cool more quickly. Packing bags of ice in the body cavity or around the quarters is advisable in weather above freezing. Take every precaution to keep your bear meat free from dirt, debris, hair and blood.

From the Alaska Fish and Game (http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.meatcare):

Heat is the greatest threat to game meat. Rinse off any rumen, bile, or urine that gets on the meat. Also keep hair, leaves and tundra off of it as much as possible.

The microorganisms that spoil meat multiply more rapidly in warm temperatures. To get the meat cool, remove the hide as quickly as possible and get the meat away from internal organs. The warmer the weather, the more urgent this becomes. Be sure to bring enough ropes and tarps to keep the meat out of the sun at all times. It may be appropriate on some hunts to schedule a mid-hunt check by an air taxi to pick up meat.

Meat that spoils the quickest will be around the hip joint in the ham (rear leg). In weather over 60 degrees, it may be necessary to actually place the meat in cool water for 30 to 45 minutes to reduce the heat. A nearby creek, river, or lake will do the job. This is about the only time that game meat should be put into a plastic bag. As soon as possible after cooling, remove the meat from the plastic (if used), thoroughly dry the meat, and put it into cotton game bags. Resembling coarse pillow cases, good bags allow air to circulate to the meat but are tough enough to hold heavy loads. Avoid the bags that look like cheesecloth; they rip easily and allow flies to get on the meat to lay eggs. Bag all of your meat before you take your first load back to camp.

From Penn State Extension (http://extension.psu.edu/food/safet...d-dressing-and-handling-of-wild-game-and-fish):

There are several ways to field dress an animal. Most differ in the manner or size of the incision made to remove the intestines. Regardless of the technique used, it is important to eviscerate the animal as soon as possible after shooting. By dressing it quickly, you will ensure rapid loss of body heat, prevent surface bacteria from growing, and improve the overall quality of the meat. To reduce the risk of exposure to disease, wear plastic, disposable gloves while handling animals. If you don’t have gloves, wash your hands and arms thoroughly with soap and water before and after dressing.

And from the Minnesota DNR (http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/recreation/hunting/bear/bear_handling.pdf):

The principal concern in handling your bear is the same as with all other big game, that is to allow the body heat to escape from the meat, then to further cool the carcass as quickly as possible. Bearskin is an excellent insulator, and it is imperative that it be removed from the carcass as quickly as possible. The temptation to leave a bear unskinned overnight should be resisted. It is not pleasant to skin a bear in lantern light or under automobile headlights late at night when you are bone tired, but the alternative is the complete waste of good meat and possibly the loss of a fine trophy.

 

[B34NS]

That's been my whole point this whole time. I think context is sometimes lost with sarcasm on the web.

"We wanted to give it four hours before we went out and looked for it to make sure the animal had expired," said Johnson.

Yea bear meat has enough problems with Trich. as is. Letting it sit because they wanted to wait for it to die? That's not someone harvesting a resource, thats a rug hunter. Otherwise he would have dropped it with a sidearm and brought the cooler. To each their own, just nothing about it is "bad ass" to me.

 

[shinyedges]

From my perspective the guy is foolish for
A. Not carrying a sidearm to dispatch a bear on a bear hunt.
B. Tracking a large wounded bear at night without a sidearm.
C. His so called friends or who ever "scattered" . Great job choosing friends which also bear hunt with out a firearm to dispatch a bear and would leave you by your lonesome to tango with a bear.

If the bear was absolutely intent on killing him it would have done so. I think luck was the name of the game here.

And I'm not sure how someone sticks there hand and arm in a bears mouth and stabs it in the throat but it makes a good story.

 

[Converge]

Yeah I really can't believe this guy didn't have a .500 , .454 , or at very least a 44 mag on him. Shit, even a 10mm with hot ammo would be decent. Very crazy. I've never heard of someone hunting bear without a powerful sidearm. If I was going into bear country, I would most definitely have a sidearm in one of the fore mentioned calibers.

 

[redman2006]

You beat me to it.


This is not a Pre chilled side of beef left out at 60 degrees. It is an unbled, ungutted, insulated chunk of meat with huge amounts of bacteria in its guts sitting at a perfect temperature of 100 degrees for that bacteria to do its nasty work.

It is even worse if that GI tract was penetrated by the arrow.

 

[shinyedges]

Most folks in my neck of the woods will let deer hang for a week or more before butcher, field dressed of course but hide on intact hanging is common. But our temperatures are usually around 32 to 45 degrees during deer season sometimes a little warmer or cooler. Its nature so it varies. Leaving a bear unfield dressed over night isn't optimal but I don't think the meat would spoil over night in 50 degrees with no sun..

 

[RedLynx]

Most folks in my neck of the woods will let deer hang for a week or more before butcher, field dressed of course but hide on intact hanging is common. But our temperatures are usually around 32 to 45 degrees during deer season sometimes a little warmer or cooler. Its nature so it varies. Leaving a bear unfield dressed over night isn't optimal but I don't think the meat would spoil over night in 50 degrees with no sun..

Just curious where you are man? Although I do not hunt, we have a huge deer population (usually somewhat overpopulated) and the weather is quite cool here during our deer season as well.

 

[shinyedges]

Just below the upper peninsula in Michigan. About 10 minutes from the u.p.

Just curious where you are man? Although I do not hunt, we have a huge deer population (usually somewhat overpopulated) and the weather is quite cool here during our deer season as well.

 

[RedLynx]

Just below the upper peninsula in Michigan. About 10 minutes from the u.p.

Gotcha. I have a bit of family up that way.

 

[shinyedges]

Its a nice area, good deer population as well as black bear, elk , The u.p. has more wolves then my area but they do come around, Cougars also make appearances taking farm animals but not as often as up north. When dealing with predators its better to be prepared.

Gotcha. I have a bit of family up that way.

 

[endurawave]

That's been my whole point this whole time. I think context is sometimes lost with sarcasm on the web.

"We wanted to give it four hours before we went out and looked for it to make sure the animal had expired," said Johnson.

Yea bear meat has enough problems with Trich. as is. Letting it sit because they wanted to wait for it to die? That's not someone harvesting a resource, thats a rug hunter. Otherwise he would have dropped it with a sidearm and brought the cooler. To each their own, just nothing about it is "bad ass" to me.

Thats your whole problem with this. You feel threatened by someone else being a bit more "BadAss" than you. In reality he wasn't even trying to be a "BadAss at all, he was just trying to survive an obvious life or death situation. Its a GREAT! story whats your problem with it??

 

[shinyedges]

I think what b34ns is trying to say is the guy put himself in the situation... instead of doing what common sense dictates he tracked a large wounded bear at night without a firearm. If you throw yourself to the wolves so to speak its foolish not badass and he was lucky to survive his foolish mistake.

I might be off base but I think that's what he saying.

Thats your whole problem with this. You feel threatened by someone else being a bit more "BadAss" than you. In reality he wasn't even trying to be a "BadAss at all, he was just trying to survive an obvious life or death situation. Its a GREAT! story whats your problem with it??

 

[endurawave]

Really?? Well I don't see the point in trying to discredit some dude that, for whatever reason got himself in a bad situation with a Bear. Now most of the time you're not going to survive an attack like that, and if you do you may have your face re-arranged . He actually survived it and killed the Bear with a knife... thats the story here. Not the do's and don'ts of Bear tracking and field dressing.

BTW shiny I have a place in the Upper Peninsula.. love it up there, yeah we got Bears there.

 

[shinyedges]

Its beautiful up there, I've never had more bugs stuck in the grill of my truck than driving up to Sault st.marie in spring lol

I hear ya on the dude about the bear, I just think who in the hell tracks a wounded bear with a knife lol what plethora of bad decisions lead to fending a 500 plus pound bear off with a knife... I'm not knocking the dudes will to survive, just saying he doesn't have good decision making skills and has the luck of the Irish lol

Really?? Well I don't see the point in trying to discredit some dude that, for whatever reason got himself in a bad situation with a Bear. Now most of the time you're not going to survive an attack like that, and if you do you may have your face re-arranged . He actually survived it and killed the Bear with a knife... thats the story here. Not the do's and don'ts of Bear tracking and field dressing.

BTW shiny I have a place in the Upper Peninsula.. love it up there, yeah we got Bears there.

 

[B34NS]

Thats your whole problem with this. You feel threatened by someone else being a bit more "BadAss" than you. In reality he wasn't even trying to be a "BadAss at all, he was just trying to survive an obvious life or death situation. Its a GREAT! story whats your problem with it??

No I'm not threatned by stupidity.

If you're idea of a great hunt is to go at a bear with a knife, don't be surpised when the after party is at the VIP lounge in the ER. It'll probably be the last time that guy disrespects local wildlife and other hunters not being prepared to ethically take a resource.

How about killing with teeth?