Manufacturers, please heed the call...

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Manufacturers of traditional folding knives: as the economy keeps on struggling to get back on its feet, as the competition from all over intensifies, please note the following,

1) Would you like to buy a new pen that doesn't write? Of course, you can always buy a new refill, but would you like buying pens that don't write from the get go?
2) Would you like to buy a watch that can't keep time worth a darn? Of course, you can always send it to a watchmaker to get it adjusted, but how would it feel buying a watch that is twenty minutes fast or slow as you proudly strap it on your wrist the first day?
3) What's the primary function of a knife? I'd say that for most buyers of a production (or custom) knife the basic expectation is for the knife to cut. To cut a piece of string or skin or cardboard... whatever. Nevertheless, now days, there are too many traditional knives coming out of the factory looking pretty nice but dull as a hammer.
4) However, some US manufacturers, regrettably, have been outsourcing their production of knives but, guess what? Those knives cut like a laser. Even manufacturers from countries where labor is very expensive (more expensive than in the US) manage to produce rather cheap knives that last and cut like all hell; i.e., SAK.
5) Moreover, most (and by most I'd say a good over 90%) of tactical knives come very sharp out of the box.
6) For all of the above, and as a result of my concern about the state of the US traditional knife industry, I very respectfully and with the best of intentions beg you to do whatever it takes to sharpen your knives properly before packing them in a box to sell. I beg you.
 
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I understand what you're saying BUT,

I'd rather have a knife come to me with just a moderately sharp edge so that I can more easily re-profile the edge the way I want it to be.

I think this thread will be moved.
 
I'm pretty new to the slip joints but I've been kind of disappointed with the assembly of a few of the knives I've recently bought online. Could just be my bad luck, dealers dumping off lesser samples on the Internet or the factories producing sub standard product but one thing is for sure; something in the equation needs improvement for me to continue purchasing these knives.

On a positive note customer service in every instance except for one (that is still pending) has been outstanding.

Justin
 
I enjoy sharpening knives. There's a unique satisfaction in getting exactly the edge you want on a knife.

I'd still much rather pull a new knife out of the box and have it lift hair off my forearm than be disappointingly dull.
 
I'm perfectly willing to give the edge on a new knife a quick touch up, but I have neither the patience, nor the inclination to sharpen a veritable butter knife. I expect a new knife to shave hair straight from the box. If it can't, the manufacturer flat out failed to complete the product before shipping it out. It is, after all, a knife, not a folding paperweight.

Case can usually be counted on to put a decent factory edge on their knives; all that's required is a strop to knock off the wire edge and you're ready to use the tool, but it's ridiculous that the average cheap Chinese slipjoint can easily outperform premium GECs, S&Ms, and a few others straight from the box unless you spend at least half an hour over a sharpener to level the playing field.

The edge on my recent $20 Damascus Rough Rider lockback positively embarrasses every $100+/- GEC I've owned in terms of its factory edge. Is the cheapie a better knife? Of course not, but it sure is ironic that it cuts better than its superior US counterparts, unless I roll up my sleeves and do the job that the domestic company couldn't be bothered to finish.

IMO, resharpening the knife after use is my job. Establishing a decent, useable edge on a new knife is the manufacturer's job.
 
I'm pretty new to the slip joints but I've been kind of disappointed with the assembly of a few of the knives I've recently bought online. Could just be my bad luck, dealers dumping off lesser samples on the Internet or the factories producing sub standard product but one thing is for sure; something in the equation needs improvement for me to continue purchasing these knives.

On a positive note customer service in every instance except for one (that is still pending) has been outstanding.

Justin

But, it increases the cost for both the purchaser and the manufacturer because the purchaser has to package it and pay to return it and the manufacturer then must fix the issues and pay to return it to the purchaser unless they stick the purchaser for that as well. I don't think this is a good thing.

Ed
 
That's correct. It would definitely be preferable to get an acceptable knife the first time. I suppose out of the four knives I've sent back or to the manufacturer I'm out $30 and they are out almost as much.
 
If every knife that came thru here had the edge that you would probably be happy with, I wouldn't have a finger left to open them. All blades have to be opened for pictures and razor sharp blades with gator snap that we all love would make my job somewhat dangerous. I mean, not like Swamp People or Deadliest Catch, but band-aid dangerous.

The economy is bad, factories are cutting back, buyers are getting more demanding (for their hard earned money); bad formula for knives made by craftsman instead of robots... I am somewhat curious as to what we will cuss and discuss when they have all closed their doors.
 
I agree with the OP as far as sharpness is the leading negative with slipjoints, Queen being the major example here. When I buy 4 new slipjoints and have to sharpen 12 blades (Okay 11 as one was a punch- but I cut that down in order to make it suit my needs as I found the tip to be too weak)to get them to cut paper something is wrong. I love the knives but should not have to work that long to get them to do their job.

The knives in this example were all from different manufacturers:
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I like fountain pens
I expect them to write
I expect a factory nib to work
But will it work for my hand and how I like to write
Will it have the sweet point in the correct place for my hand

I will have to choose the correct type of ink that is good for that nib.
I will have to play with the nib to adjust it
And that is expected without taking away that the pen and the nib was good

So I ask what is a decent Factory grind?
One that cuts
But how sharp and for whom?

As a kid (over 40 years ago), I remember getting new knives and having to sharpen them.
They were penknives, camping knives and stag handled sheath knives that were mostly Rogers of Sheffield.
I remember my old carpentry cabarundum stone with course and fine, and I would oil it up and get the edge sharp

So I expect I will sharpen any new knife when I get it.
And I know new steels like D2 new types of stones will take longer
 
I think the factories in USA are thinking that the buyer is a collector and doesn't care if it is sharp or not. That is the the poorest excuse I can think of, that they could use. A lot of buyers buy to use a good american made knife. The pride of made in the USA plus a good looking, functional knife creates a lot of good reccomendations to other potential buyers. I know I have lost interest in purchasing more Queens for the poor shapness of the blades. IMHO.
Harold
 
Is the cheapie a better knife? Of course not, but it sure is ironic that it cuts better than its superior US counterparts,

In which case, I say you are Wrong(Respectfully! :)). It IS a better KNIFE at that point, because it does indeed CUT. ;)

One point i will make on this too, is that to us, as knife people in general, to need to sharpen a new knife, whether just a touch up, or a complete profile and edging, might not be a big thing... Generally. But to the average consumer that just wants a nice knife, a tool to do a job, either one is going to be an all out fail, and they are not going to want another like it... Some will skip that brand again, and some will skip on the whole class/style of knives. An unfortunate fact of human nature is to stereotype based on one example... Unfortunate, but True none the less.

G.
 
I must agree. A new knife out of the box should at least have a basic or better edge from the factory at the standard degree. I can always change the bevel if I wish, but it should be ready to use when new.
 
It's not just edges (which should be sharp when leaving the factory, end.) that bother me, it's knives with horrific gaps as a result of lacklustre assembly that begin to gnaw on my loyalty. One instance recently from a leading manufacturer was so poor that I could not believe anyone would dare let it out their doors or have the insolence to try and sell it to the public. This is still on-going and the seller has not (yet)put it right. A month plus and waiting.
 
As bucksforus pointed out, some manufacturers may disagree on bullet three. Too much of their market is made up of people who just keep new knives in the boxes thinking they're going to go up in value because there were only a few hundred of them with that color handle. Why spend an extra few minutes at the grinder? Personally, I only get offended when it's some specialty steel that's going to take forever to re-profile.
 
i believe that the manuf. should at least ship their products with some kind of working edge. it doe'st have to shave hair but shold be able to cut cord & open boxes. i'm crazy about my own bevels & have only found german bokers & spydie enduras as well as most spydies ready to hit the bricks. whatever arrives i'm going to shape & polish the bevels to enhance slicing. i do'nt expect companies to furnish edges as my requirements but they should cut cardboard.
dennis
 
I think it's unfair of companies to assume that everyone who buys a knife has the means and skill to pick up their slack in the sharpening department. I have been into knives for years now, and while I don't have any trouble touching up a blade on a fine grit stone or strop, I have never taken the time to learn how to reprofile a blade, and don't think that I should need to. The companie's job is to provide me with a knife with a good working edge, and my job is to maintain that edge needed.
 
i believe that the manuf. should at least ship their products with some kind of working edge. it doe'st have to shave hair but shold be able to cut cord & open boxes. i'm crazy about my own bevels & have only found german bokers & spydie enduras as well as most spydies ready to hit the bricks. whatever arrives i'm going to shape & polish the bevels to enhance slicing. i do'nt expect companies to furnish edges as my requirements but they should cut cardboard.
dennis

Ditto!

Juan, you aren't asking for much. It should be a working edge out of the box.
 
I would say that, while we're calling out to the manufacturers... let's add this one in there:

Please use steel liners more often, on regular production knives! PLEASE! FOR THE LOVE OF PETE!
 
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