MaxPower = "Buyer Beware"

max,

i dont really care who is right and who is lying but any knife seller thats does not return a knife if the customer isnt satisfied will not last very long in this business. especially if the complaint is immediate upon getting the knife.

if this is how you do business then EVERYBODY BEWARE!

you say if you return his money, you will get burned??? what about him?!?! pretty lame imho.

you should make it right!

[This message has been edited by HermanKnives (edited 04-29-2000).]
 
My very first successful transaction on BFC has been with Brian, and there were a couple more after that. I find him to be an honorable man, of integrity and true to his word. He's a fixed-blade afficionado, and for someone to say that he inflicted damage to the knife.. well... it's absurd...
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If there were no signs of tampering on the packaging, then I don't think it could have happened in transit.

Satisfaction of the buyer should be an unspoken (necessary evil, if you may) agreement on transactions. If the buyer isn't satisfied, then it's only proper that he be refunded his money. It's the RIGHT thing to do, after all.

Joe Chen, I also live far away from the US, and have dealt with Brian on MORE than one occassion. Got a fixed blade from him, too, and never had any problems whatsoever. So we're basically on the same boat. Though I'd stake my life on Brian's integrity in this matter.

Dan
 
1) It has been my observation that the most reputable Bladeforums members offer and honor an approval period for a "no questions" return and defer cashing the payment until approved.

2) The possibility for even the hint of dishonesty or deceipt should be enough for a member to immediately approve the return of the knife and a refund. This is not only good business, it is a matter of honor.

3) A good reputation as a trustworthy person is something that can not be gained quickly, and can easily be lost. I have never had the pleasure of doing business with Brian, but I have noticed that he has earned a very good reputation and seems to be highly regarded by his peers.

4) Taking these points into consideration, I would think that the proper and honorable action would be to offer a refund. It is the established norm for Bladeforums members and does as much as can be done to limit damage to the seller's reputation.

Just my $.02 worth.

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Anytime I sell a knife here, if the buyer is not satisfied, he gets his money back. As Tim Herman and others have said, that's how we do business here. Anybody I deal with knows that they have 2 days from receiving their package to let me know they're not happy. Even if they just dont like it, they get their money back. My rep is worth more than one deal.
Brian has done business on BF for quite a while and I have never heard anything but praise for him and also his generosity.
You say the money is spent, perhaps you guys can work something out in private for a different knife or a payment plan. In my opinion, your rep is worth more than this knife.
Very glad to see this thread hasnt dived into name calling and flames.

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Dave (Phil.4:13)
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MaxPower:
Give the man his money back and pay all shipping.No right,wrong,this and that.Give him his money back and stay in good on the Forums.If you don't your selling days are numbered.FACT
 
I also just recently bought a knife from MaxPower and the deal went off without a hitch. As Brian stated with his deal, the packaging on my knife was also excellent.
However, there is also an implied time of inspection on these forums if one party is not happy with the deal. Meaning I feel the money should also be returned. No hard feelings just cancel the deal.
Eric Isaacson
 
Max - I'd take a look at the many well-respected people who've chimed in here. Everyone is in agreement that you should immediately refund his money. Suck it up and do the right thing. In the future, I'd recommend offering an unconditional return policy on item you sell. You should also not cash any money orders or checks, or otherwise spend any money until you've been notified that the other party is satisfied with the knife.

Good luck, Brian.

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Kelly

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maxpower, i hope you're not sleeping in. it would be nice if you could end this thread before it hits a couple hundred posts.

i think it would be easy for everyone here to agree you made an honest mistake if you act quickly now. it's never too late.
 
I have traded with Brian too and he goes out of his way to describe condition exactly and expects the same in return. In addition, he usually has a scan that shows the kife as well. So, I don't see any reason for him to suddenly start mis-representing anything !
Maxpower, reverse the sale, even if you are not at fault; as others here have said, your reputation is certainly worth more than the $$ amount involved. Taking the high road is always the best choice.
My .02

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[This message has been edited by Brian Lavin (edited 04-29-2000).]
 
Hey Max
If the tables were turned would you be happy with the condition of the knife. I know I wouldn't be. It amazes me that someone on here would ruin all future chances of conducting business.You mentioned buyer beware well I will always beware now when I see you posting something for sale.The thing is with the internet the seeds of doubt have already been planted its to bad you are so shortsighted that you can not see this.People have long memories when it comes to money.
Bob
 
Hello MaxPower you have claimed buyer beware. But you have forgotten one other important rule in doing business, it is that the buyer is always right. Brian has proven himself a very honarable person to deal with on bladeforums, heck I even had a good transaction with him, so naturaly the people here are going to side with him on this matter. If you want to continue doing business here I would suggest that you do the right thing and return Brian's money to him. If not I would think you would have a hard time getting anybody to deal with you again. It seam to me that you would want to protect the reputation that you have started to build for youself on the forums. You have had good deals with others in the past so I say do the right thing and everything will be o.k.

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MaxPower, questions:

1 When did you get the knife?
2 Was it second hand?
3 How long have you had the knife?
4 How much money are we talking about, round numbers?
5 I've also dealt with Brian and for the length of time he had the knife, logic suggests he is or was trying to clear up the problem as soon as possible, not allowing for handling time to even be factored in. Brian did the correct thing in contacting you right away, upfront kinda thing. If he had waited even a day that would cast a shadow of doubt but that didn't happen and I'm sure he has bought other knives before without a problem.

so.....?

G2

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From experience, I know that Brian will do the right thing when it comes to deals on the forum. Now it's time for MaxPower to do the same.

Jim (aka Big Tex)
 
You could also consider keeping the knife, and Max returning part of the money.
Ask yourself how much is the knife worth in the condition it's in, and settle on an amount to be refunded. That'll work.

As far as Max's reputation? It may already be to tarnished to rectify. Should have just worked it out right away and kept it off the Forums.
 
When I recieve a check or MO I usually just leave it sitting around in the house until I get an email from the person I sold to saying they recieved it and they like it. Sometimes they forget to get back but you know about how long it should take for them to recieve the knife so I send an email asking if they recieved and are they happy. Then I go deposit it the money in the bank. This way I dont get to attached to the money. Works for me.

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ALex

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I wonder if his reputation is worth the amount of the knife... It would be such a sorry loss, considering the fact that there are a couple of forumites here who have dealt with him in the past, and had nothing bad to say about him. Now all those good deeds will be tarnished just because he can't do the right thing on this one? What a waste...
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Dan
 
I don't like what I'm seeing here.

Mint means Mint. There's no quibbling about it - Mint does not meant slightly or hardly used. Chips in the blade, a deep scratch in the tang, and welts on the sheath also don't mean "hardly used" - unless maybe the user was Cliff Stamp.

The knife should be returned immediately, and Brian should get his money back, immediately.

Going Internet Price for a NIB Black Bear Classic is $240. That he was willing to sell it for almost half should raise eyebrows, but I've seen worse deals out there...

The right thing to do would be for MaxPower to return the money. I'd like to see copies of the emails involved so that I can decide if this was deliberate - if so then I don't want this sort of thing to happen again on the forums, and will be taking action to prevent it.

Spark

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First, I want to thank everyone for all the support that has been expressed here & in e-mail. I do appreciate it.

Kingknives, your suggestion of a partial refund based on the knife's condition is a reasonable one. I would have probably considered such a solution if MaxPower's initial replies had been at all conciliatory. At this point, however, I no longer want the knife, period. If he doesn't do the right thing, I'll simply repair the damage myself & resell it.

Spark, I sent you the e-mails you requested. Thanks again for looking into this. On the issue of price -- yes, it was a good one but not so low that it raised any caution flags with me. OneStop's code 3 pricing is considerably below that $240 mark and, as I said earlier, Cumberland currently has these on sale for $165.

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Cheers,
Brian
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Max, if things were reversed, Brian would have already refunded your money. As would most of us. Your best bet here is to do the right thing and make good on the deal. you'll feel better and all will be right again. Otherwise, as others have said, this will haunt you.

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russ aka bladezealot. a cat almost always blinks when hit in the head with a ball-peen hammer.
 
ok guys, let's not beat a dead horse.

i would like to see Brian get his money back, and if Chris feels he is being unfairly persecuted by the number of posts here, that may not be as likely to happen.

remember this thread is less than 24 hours old. i think now we should give Chris some time to give Brian and the Forum his final decision.

the ball is in your court, Chris.

 
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