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MaxPower = "Buyer Beware"
- Thread starter Brian C
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I' ve corresponded with Brian on a regular basis and have met him in person at a few knife shows and even visited him on occasions to close some very nice deals. He is a veteran of this forum and a strait shooter and can gain nothing by making false claims. Additionally, based on the contents given here I feel that Max Power should make good on this situation.
L8r,
Nakano
L8r,
Nakano
I have had numerous dealings with Brian over the last 15 months or so and have found him to be one of the most honorable folks I have met here at BFC. As a matter of fact, we just completed a deal and Brian was going to send me the knife before he received payment since we have known each other a long time. I was out of town so I asked him not to. I have complete faith and confidence in Brian Caffrey's character and I trust him implicitly. He walks the talk as they say. Knowing him I am sure he would have liked to have resolved this before posting this. He is in very good standing here at the forum.
I hope this gets resolved.
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~Greg Mete~
Kodiak Alaska
I hope this gets resolved.
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~Greg Mete~
Kodiak Alaska
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It is plain as day that MaxPower needs to refund the money. Spent or not - he needs to make it right. IMO that would be to replace the knife with another one or if another used one could not be found quickly, then a new one... but refunding the money is acceptable, if the buyer feels he has been delt with justly.
It is now Monday morning & I haven't heard from MaxPower since Friday night. In the interest of full disclosure, here is the complete content of his last message:
The emphasis in the quote is mine. MaxPower, if I didn't damage the knife & it wasn't damaged in transit, is any other explanation possible than it was already damaged when it left your possession? I am willing to give the benefit of doubt here and say you may have possibly overlooked it; however, if not you, some previous owner DID KNOW IT WAS THERE. Looking at the tang in daylight, I notice that the metal around the deep scratch has a duller finish than the rest of the tang. It appears that someone tried, unsuccessfully, to sand or buff it out.
Brian, that nick on the tang. Is it possible to be overlooked by someone who is handling it, say... while packing it up? You mentioned before that one doesn't even have to look at it to know it's there. Just by holding it you could actually feel the deep scar on the handle.
Hmmm... so, in his last email to you, does this mean he's really going to be pig-headed, and not return your money?
Dan
Hmmm... so, in his last email to you, does this mean he's really going to be pig-headed, and not return your money?
Dan
Dan, if the knife were withdrawn from the sheath, it would be near impossible to overlook the nick since it would make contact with the palm of your hand. If, however, it was not drawn it might not have been as obvious. Here's a better pic. Do you think it could have been overlooked?
As to the issue of a refund, I won't give up hope but I think it's pretty clear that he's not going to agree. I've decided to fix the knife to the best of my ability & then put it up for sale. Before I make any alterations, I wanted to more fully document the condition of the knife when I received it so I just took additional pictures -- the above pic is one. In the interest of saving bandwidth, I won't post all the pictures here but I will provide descriptions with links a little later this afternoon.
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Cheers,
Brian
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
As to the issue of a refund, I won't give up hope but I think it's pretty clear that he's not going to agree. I've decided to fix the knife to the best of my ability & then put it up for sale. Before I make any alterations, I wanted to more fully document the condition of the knife when I received it so I just took additional pictures -- the above pic is one. In the interest of saving bandwidth, I won't post all the pictures here but I will provide descriptions with links a little later this afternoon.
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Cheers,
Brian
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
Yikes... that's a pretty nasty scar... Pretty hard to overlook it, unless his vision is 2-dimensional.
Will wait for the additional pics. If you think this guy won't refund your money, then I guess we can consider this a lesson learned. The words "Buyer Beware" should now be taken pretty seriously at this stage. I doubt if he will get anymore sales after this issue though.
Take care,
Dan
Will wait for the additional pics. If you think this guy won't refund your money, then I guess we can consider this a lesson learned. The words "Buyer Beware" should now be taken pretty seriously at this stage. I doubt if he will get anymore sales after this issue though.
Take care,
Dan
You're right, Dan, the chip in the tang is a pretty nasty scar. I am hoping to be able to remove it but it will probably be the toughest of the fixes to effect. Anyway, following is more detail concerning the condition of the knife as I received it, including links to some additional pictures.
- This pic shows the knife & sharpening stone out of the sheath. Although it would be difficult to pick out much detail in this picture, what is apparent is that the stone has seen use.
- Here's a close-up of the stone. It is easy to see that it was used, although probably not on this knife since there is no sign of it having been sharpened. If you look carefully, you will also see two chips in the stone -- one on the top edge to the right of center & the other on the right edge below center. The other side of the stone, not shown, was also used but not chipped.
- The picture I posted on the first page of this thread shows some of the areas on the sheath's welt where the finish is gone. This picture and the next take a more frontal view & show the somewhat faded appearance of the sheath's finish in general and also show where the finish is starting to come off the snaps. Not shown is the eyelet for the lanyard at the bottom of the sheath where the finish is badly worn. (A neck lanyard with snap replaced the paracord that would normally comprise the lanyard.) Since custom leather craft is a hobby, sheath restoration will be the easiest of the fixes that will be needed.
- Finally, here's the small chip in the Micarta at the butt. Hopefully, I'll be able to sand & buff it out.
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I attempted to photograph the minor chips on the primary edge but they are so minor that they don't show up in pictures. I am confident that they will be removed by sharpening. Well, so much for the "mint" condition of this knife.
If anyone thinks they might be interested in a bargain, keep an eye on the for sale forum. That's where this will likely be heading when I'm done.
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Cheers,
Brian
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
[This message has been edited by bcaffrey (edited 05-01-2000).]
Elvislives
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Being an individual selling a knife can be difficult, how do you warranty what you are selling when you don't have the capital (in some cases) that a business might have to absorb such a loss. That is why I always overstate the problems a knife might have, so the buyer knows exactly what they are getting. I carry and use my knives, so if I sell one it is a Used Knife in Good Condition (usually) with the list of any scratches, sharpening, dings, missing lanyard/box/papers, etc. That usually makes for a nice surprise when someone gets my knife and it's not even as bad as they thought.
BUT!!!! As a seller of an item (any item) you should be willing to accept back any goods that the buyer deems not even close to what was represented. Also, if you are going to sell to a person SIGHT UNSEEN, then you have to take the chance that something will happen and you will have to take the hit.
In this case, I don't know either person remotely. I've read Brian's posts, and can't imagine that he is some knife abuser who opened a package and proceeded to beat the hell out of the knife and sheath just to have a reason to post in this forum. BTW that sheath looks like it's taken some extended wear, more that you could put on it in even a whole day! I don't know the seller either, but the excerpts of the emails read like a cornered animal. I just use my instincts on these things, I do pretty good that way.
You sold him the knife, he doesn't like the knife, take it back. For goodness sake you did represent the knife as "Mint" and the stone looks like hell, if nothing else!
Brandon
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"You know how dumb the average person is? Well by definition, half of 'em are dumber than that..."
BUT!!!! As a seller of an item (any item) you should be willing to accept back any goods that the buyer deems not even close to what was represented. Also, if you are going to sell to a person SIGHT UNSEEN, then you have to take the chance that something will happen and you will have to take the hit.
In this case, I don't know either person remotely. I've read Brian's posts, and can't imagine that he is some knife abuser who opened a package and proceeded to beat the hell out of the knife and sheath just to have a reason to post in this forum. BTW that sheath looks like it's taken some extended wear, more that you could put on it in even a whole day! I don't know the seller either, but the excerpts of the emails read like a cornered animal. I just use my instincts on these things, I do pretty good that way.
You sold him the knife, he doesn't like the knife, take it back. For goodness sake you did represent the knife as "Mint" and the stone looks like hell, if nothing else!
Brandon
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"You know how dumb the average person is? Well by definition, half of 'em are dumber than that..."
Gary W. Graley
“Imagination is more important than knowledge"
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WOW, Brian, I never knew that those knives had such a bigggg Butt!
(see Brian's last post with links to the pics for clarification of this view)
Sorry couldn't resist
The knife looks nice overall, once you fix the problems are you going to keep her?
G2
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"The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions!"
Take the time to read your Bible Now, don't be left behind...
G2 LeatherWorks
[This message has been edited by Gary W. Graley (edited 05-01-2000).]
(see Brian's last post with links to the pics for clarification of this view)
Sorry couldn't resist
The knife looks nice overall, once you fix the problems are you going to keep her?
G2
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"The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions!"
Take the time to read your Bible Now, don't be left behind...
G2 LeatherWorks
[This message has been edited by Gary W. Graley (edited 05-01-2000).]
LOL. That's what the macro setting will do, Gary. Hmmm, I wonder what other applications it might have.
No, I've done what I'm going to do to it & just listed it FS/T. As I said in that post, I couldn't look at it without being reminded of a deal gone very bad.
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Cheers,
Brian
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
No, I've done what I'm going to do to it & just listed it FS/T. As I said in that post, I couldn't look at it without being reminded of a deal gone very bad.
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Cheers,
Brian
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
Brian it is a nice looking knife.Is the top edge fully sharpened? The thing I'm not quite grasping here is if you return the knife then Powers returns your money and your both back to square one then how is Powers getting burned? As he himself put it. It doesn't appear that he is thinking along normal lines here.
Bob
Bob
Yes, Bob, the top edge is fully sharpened & it is a nice knife. You're also right about MaxPower's thinking being faulty; however, he is still claiming that the knife was not damaged when it left him.
If he changes his mind & decides to refund my money before I sell or trade it, I'll cancel the sale listing & return it to him. However, if it does sell, I think the right thing for him to do would be for him to pay me the difference.
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Cheers,
Brian
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
If he changes his mind & decides to refund my money before I sell or trade it, I'll cancel the sale listing & return it to him. However, if it does sell, I think the right thing for him to do would be for him to pay me the difference.
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Cheers,
Brian
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
The bottom line is that the buyer should be satisfied with the sale, and should get his money back, unless it was specified up front that no refunds would be given. Even if the buyer changes his mind because he doesn't like it when he sees it, even if nothing is wrong with the knife. I have dealt with Brian, and I know he would have given me my money back, just because. That is why it is so important for seller's to do the right thing, that is what makes this type of business operation work.
I'm always amazed by men who can convinced themselves that they are in the right despite of evidences to the contrary.
How can a man be bullheaded and refuse to do the right thing.
Is it lust for money?
The shame of getting caught cheating?
This is not just bcaffrey's word against MaxPower's word situation.
bcaffrey has proof to show that the knife packaged properly and delivered to him was not "NIB", as well as documentary emails that may show traces of intentions good or bad.
MaxPower you'll be better-off returning the mans money.
2d_edge
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How can a man be bullheaded and refuse to do the right thing.
Is it lust for money?
The shame of getting caught cheating?
This is not just bcaffrey's word against MaxPower's word situation.
bcaffrey has proof to show that the knife packaged properly and delivered to him was not "NIB", as well as documentary emails that may show traces of intentions good or bad.
MaxPower you'll be better-off returning the mans money.
2d_edge
My knives photos
I have just sold the knife and have a relatively painless way for MaxPower to make this thing right. Factoring in shipping charges, $22 will cover the difference between what I paid & the price for which I resold the knife. What do you say? Let's put closure to this.
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Cheers,
Brian
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
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Cheers,
Brian
He who finishes with the most toys wins.
Well that was worth 22 bucks to me just to read!! I'm new at this and after 'lurking for a month or so just reading everything I could I 'joined up'last month... when last week I decided I wanted to buy an 'Umfaan' I was concerned that there was no Ebay style 'feedback' with you guys, but took a chance on the Honor system, as the email went well with the seller.Now I'm dealing with somebody else on another knife and after reading this feel much better and think I understand 'How it works' Do have to say though that I will never ever consider anything from MaxPower..
Barry
Barry
