How many makers make a living off of their knives?
Income is income.
When you say nothing, you don't contribute anything. "Income is income."
So says the guy who thinks that dealers have no labor involved, and knife makers strive to make no profit.
My point was obvious. Logic is irrefutable.
Taking the context out of quotes is for the simple.
Josh, unless money grows on trees, there is friggen effort involved in stocking inventory. You can't be this dense.
Does this mean me and u812 will have to shut our threads down? ( I don't do this for profit, yet I do stock inventory)
Would an alternative option be to choose the three year knifemaker and sell in our own forums?
I don't think "friggen" is a word.
Actual production, tea in china, tohmaatoe, toemahtoe...
Good luck winning over your argument with Kevin.:thumbup:
You stock 8 colors of cord. You have 9 or so weave styles listed.
Yes.
I want you to look at your website, the pictures & options you present, the verbiage you use, warranty you offer and ask yourself what impression a third party would have looking at it.
Looks like someone who makes lanyards. Just like someone who makes knives.
Would they think you are running a business, or that this is a hobby for you? You've expended effort into presenting a superior product, but it is a product not a supply material. You've determined a price for your product based on labor & supplies and other needs; Nothing is free.
If it wasn't just a hobby, I would need more then just the occasional order. The website was meant to consolidate information present in the thread, and to provide some examples of the work.
That said, I am not unwilling to listen & inflexible. You are telling me (from what I gather) the initial $200 is tough to do. $25 a month, on the other hand, isn't tough at all.
Give me a couple weeks not buying knives and sure, I could do $200. Is it worth it overall? Probably not. I don't make enough selling these to clear that much a year.
This has also made me rethink my policy on other memberships. Gold & Platinum members who operate business have been able to advertise them in their signatures for several years now. I understand the frustration - why should you pay for a Dealer (or, should I create a separate membership level, Accessory, Gear, or Service Provider or whatever it's called) membership if you can advertise your stuff without putting it up for sale in a forum itself?
My understanding was Gold and Platinum memberships were created and designed for those who wanted to sell personal knives, or (Platinum / Knifemaker case) create items and sell them in the Knifemaker For Sale area, and to support the site. Dealers were people with a website you could click through and order from (GG, Knifecenter, etc).
I'm going to have to do some thinking on that. If, by necessity, I have to raise prices on Knifemaker memberships to reflect a parity with a (Gear or whatever) membership, so be it. If the (Gear or whatever) membership needs to come down in price, I'm open to that as well, however, I'm going to need some convincing.
I'm not unreasonable, nor am I seeking to gouge you guys. That said, it's not fair to hose one segment and give passes to the others. Even full bore dealer memberships here are a frigging steal - believe me, I know what magazine advertising costs and what the "going rates" are on popular forums.
So work with me by discussing this.
"It's one thing if you've beaten a couple bars of damascus out and are selling them off. It's another entirely if that's part of your primary source of income."
Wouldn't it make the most sense - and forgive me if this has already been suggested, I didn't read all the posts - but to treat those persons who individually make materials as the same as knifemakers, with the same membership rate - as opposed to those persons who buy and sell items and make a profit on the items without introducing any of their own craftsmanship, who would be considered dealers?
Think about it Josh, you have a link to your site in your sig, correct?
Let's say I get a membership (can't justify the cost right now) and put in a link to hypothetically "ABLADEAFFICIONADOSKNIVES.COM" in bold and big lettering, and it just so happens that I sell gear, knives, and supplies. I would be a dealer, except without the green name and cost, case closed. So I don't think it's right to do that. How do you think the small dealers like Kershawguy and 2BKC would feel about being cheated $150 extra dollars for their membership when you do the same yourself (hypothetically)? If you were spending $200 a year, and somebody else spends $50 a year, and you both get equal advertising, you would feel cheated, am I right?
There is much labor in being a dealer. The businesses don't run themselves, there is tremendous work required to be a dealer. The knives don't buy themselves, they don't maintain their websites, or ship themselves out or collect payments. The dealer has to set up the entire system to operate efficiently. By your definition of a dealer I work for an autoparts dealer. We have over 100 exployess, and are open 10 hours a day during the week, and 6 hours a day on Saturday. All of those exployees must be paid. We have warehouse workers, parts pickers, stockers, disbatch, countermen, AR, HR, salesmen, plus an IT guy, purchaser, managers, and a GM, plus the owner.
So if dealers have no overhead, why do we have 100 exployees and a handful of stores to service our customers? For being a mere auto parts dealer, we have to put in a lot of work huh? Plus we have fleet vehicle maintainance, insurance, business license fees, and a whole multitude of hurdles.
Now I know knives and auto parts are a different story, but the concept that dealers have little work or overhead to do is a misconception.
Apples and oranges, I know, but in a nutcase, selling other peoples products is not easy.
[/story]If you want advertising, $200 a year is cheap, it would cost you that for a postage stamp size ad in BLADE that is seen less and it harder to contact through than the site.
If it just so happens that you have a site that sells gear and knives, you're a dealer. I don't have a site that does that.