Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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Fortunately for NASA, it is not necessary for one to be an astronaut for one to design and build spacecraft, darn good spacecraft. It is not necessary to be an astronaut to design and make special pens for use in zero-gravity and make them very nice.

You do not need to be a pilot to design and build aircraft either.

It is best of the people who design and build equipment used in space have an opportunity to interact with the astronauts who use it. The astronauts will share their ideas and experience and the designers and builders will use those to make better products.

That Strider Knives are used by soldiers and even special forces in combat is well-established. That Mike has interacted extensivly and directly over the course of the last decade with soldiers and special forces on knives and knife designs is also well-established.

One does not have to be a super commando to design excellent combat knives.
 
My son worked in a federal super max prison for a while. Some of the most impressive knives I've ever seen came from that prison. They weren't always steel but you'd be surprised what you could learn from some of those convicts in the pen. I've seen knives from plastic bags melted down with a tin can blade basically welded in like it was machine fit in it. Even a knife from a bed rail. They then fill in the place on the bed where the rail was with soap and bubble gum to blend so well it looks like the piece was never gone. Only way the guards can tell is to squeeze it and if it squishes it means there is a shank in the prison. I even heard how to make my own wine from raisens, water, surgar and a hot water line on a shower head. Incredible stuff.



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LMAO.......the Spec Ops Shank.....now THERE is a hell of an ad campaign
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Mick Strider hereby acknowledges that he has never been deployed as a U.S. Army Ranger. Strider also acknowledges that he has never served in or participated with SOCOM (Special Operations Command). Strider also acknowledges that he has never had any combat experience with any branch of the U.S. Military or U.S.Government Agencies, nor has he participated in any "Black Ops". Strider served in 2/75, but never graduated Ranger School. Strider lost all rank, was barred from re-enlistment and was discharged from the Military as a Private
The man screwed up.

The man has also undergone more public scrutiny for his mistakes than many of us will ever know.

To forgive is divine. Until the man is unjust to me personally, I am willing to overlook his past errors.

ND, signing out.
 
the part that gets me in the settlement statement from the libel suit is "Strider lost all rank...".

I am rather ignorant on these matters (left myself wide open to rebuttal ad hominems there, didn't I?), but isn't that an abnormal procedure when a service member is discharged? I mean, why did he lose all rank?
We don;t know what kind of discharge he received. But, yes, that is usually not a good thing when you get busted back to Private E Sh*t and barred from reenlisting. Hell..back then, 2 years of community college or high school ROTC got you automatic E3 upons enlistment. Nobdy gets out as E1 unless they messed up.
 
the part that gets me in the settlement statement from the libel suit is "Strider lost all rank...".

I am rather ignorant on these matters (left myself wide open to rebuttal ad hominems there, didn't I?), but isn't that an abnormal procedure when a service member is discharged? I mean, why did he lose all rank?

The only way someone in the military can lose their rank and be demoted is through poor conduct. For an example, there are three levels of Article 15 that can be applied to an individual, Summarized, Company and Field Grade, listed in order of severity.

On second thought, read here:
http://www.riley.army.mil/view/article.asp?id=476-2002-05-09-58575-94

If Mick Strider lost all of his rank and barred from re-enlistment, he was either given a Company or Field Grade Article 15, or court martialed. I do not know which, but it had to be one of those three.
 
The man screwed up.

The man has also undergone more public scrutiny for his mistakes than many of us will ever know.

To forgive is divine. Until the man is unjust to me personally, I am willing to overlook his past errors.

ND, signing out.

True, but this is a somewhat unique situtation. The question is whether or not his military customers are willing to overlook it. I suspect that he will NOT have whatever kind of access he previously had.
 
Fortunately for NASA, it is not necessary for one to be an astronaut for one to design and build spacecraft, darn good spacecraft. It is not necessary to be an astronaut to design and make special pens for use in zero-gravity and make them very nice.

You do not need to be a pilot to design and build aircraft either.

It is best of the people who design and build equipment used in space have an opportunity to interact with the astronauts who use it. The astronauts will share their ideas and experience and the designers and builders will use those to make better products.

That Strider Knives are used by soldiers and even special forces in combat is well-established. That Mike has interacted extensivly and directly over the course of the last decade with soldiers and special forces on knives and knife designs is also well-established.


All well and good, but, if the man who built that aircraft was considered a celebrity in his field, and was bolstered to said celebrity status by the fact that he once flew those very aircraft, he too would have some explaining to do when it came out that he had never been in orbit.
 
the part that gets me in the settlement statement from the libel suit is "Strider lost all rank...".

I am rather ignorant on these matters (left myself wide open to rebuttal ad hominems there, didn't I?), but isn't that an abnormal procedure when a service member is discharged? I mean, why did he lose all rank?
Who knows. I knew an E-5 who ended up an E-3 after a month or so. Lost one for soliciting junior enlisted females who were still in training status, then another grade for getting into it with his company commander. Another SGT went to E-4 for getting caught having an affair with a PFC. A cadet got dropped to PFC and is getting court martialed for punching a LTC. What do you do to get dropped to E-1 and booted? Who knows, we do know what he did to get 5 years in prison afterward.
 
The only way someone in the military can lose their rank and be demoted is through poor conduct. For an example, there are three levels of Article 15 that can be applied to an individual, Summarized, Company and Field Grade, listed in order of severity.

On second thought, read here:
http://www.riley.army.mil/view/article.asp?id=476-2002-05-09-58575-94

If Mick Strider lost all of his rank and barred from re-enlistment, he was either given a Company or Field Grade Article 15, or court martialed. I do not know which, but it had to be one of those three.
And IF he altered his DD214, I suspect that, at a minimum, it would have llisted type of discharge as "general" I don't know if they put the "circumstances" on that line or not. A dishonorable discharge has some long llasting implications, but I am not sure about a general discharge under less than honorable circumstances. Then again, his felony conviction renders that moot.
 
After review of the evidence presented, I as a forum member, GB&U thread viewer, knife buyer, combat vet and self appointed juror hereby pronounce Mr. Strider guilty in my mind of the offences alleged unless and until he refutes such with facts on this or any other public venue.
 
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Its come to my attention; from all the calls, e-mails and pm’s, J that people are talking shit about me on the internet again.
Thank you, and
Fuck em.

Im over all that crap. At first, I was concerned about it….not all of it, its true that I have lived an interesting life up to this point. One of the things ive done is gone to prison. Ive never been ashamed of the fact. ive often felt bad for the impact it had on the people I love, but ive never been ashamed of having gone. What I was worried about was that I was being called dishonorable.
That I had soiled the 75th Infantry Regiment by stating that I served there while in the Army.
I have dissolved that worry, the parties concerned know my history and are satisfied.

Some people may wonder how I can say im Honorable, when ive been convicted of a felony. My answer is simple: Honor is something we hold inside, it is ours to keep and cherish. Not yours to hold above us and try to remove. My loyalty is to my Country, my Family, Friends, Teammates and Sworn Oaths. My honor is upheld by serving these loyalties, not in the consequences of doing so.

I have no issues with people who want to talk shit about me on an internet forum. That’s what people do. Talk about stuff on forums. Here we all are….i certainly find it funny that they amuse themselves by calling me dishonorable, while they shout nasty things about me anonymously over the internet…but truly…who cares?
Its not real. Those people will never come up and say anything in actual REAL life. They aren’t that kind of people. They have not lived experiences like mine. They only do that in their internet life, while training to be a cage fighter.

The problem is that they want to shout. The truth is not actually an issue, what is important is to shout the loudest. Ive seen the shouting the loudest contest a million times in prison, it never fires off…..shouting loud is a cowards game, this is just the geek version. It goes like this:

Shout of injustice = Micks a liar, he was never a Ranger!

Voice of reason = well…regardless of how you feel about mick, he did actually serve in the 2nd Ranger Battalion…a fun game of which you have to be a Ranger to play….sorry, not every one who gets a team jacket is a super hero…even the water boy (AB) is a Ranger. Graduated black and blue instead of Black and Gold….still counts…lick my sack.

Shout of injustice = No “REAL Operators” use Striders!

Voice of reason = Well…actually, we have sold roughly 5000 knives via contract to Uncle Sam, not to mention private and unit sales….so really they do.

Shout of injustice = NO! my friend has an uncle who was a SEAL in Vietnam and he says that isn’t true!!!

Voice of reason = um…..but see, right here….they paid and everything. I wonder what they did with all those knives….if the REAL Operators didn’t get them….

Then again there was a lot of hair on the check…..it may have well been the Bigfoot Rangers….does that still count?

It’s the Special Olympics….try and pick out Jeffy.
“when the fuck did we get ice cream”?
“you remember getting ice cream”?



So then….

Your all awesome, thank you VERY much for your concern. But in the end, I can’t make knives fast enough to fill orders….and THEY have time to copy our gear and talk shit….i wonder how many more hits they have on their web page since they used the old Strider lure….


My kids are happy and healthy, I still have both parents, I have a shit load of incredible friends….and my personal enemies hide in the internet.

Let em talk about me….better me than someone who cares.


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We'd really need to know what his rank was prior to his article 15 - but odds are it was pretty serious. The bar to re-enlistment backs this up as well. The only soldiers that I've seen get the boot were thieves and wifebeaters - I'm not going to sit down and read all 24 pages of this and all the other threads about him, but the parts that I've read make him sound to me like he's full of $hit. Not that it affects his knife making abilities, but I'm sure that most of the military guys wouldn't be impressed. If you want a knife made by a Ranger, call Justin Gingrich at Ranger Knives (and do it soon, cuz he IS going back to Iraq shortly - as a contractor). Strider is pathological in his lying.
 
the part that gets me in the settlement statement from the libel suit is "Strider lost all rank...".

I am rather ignorant on these matters (left myself wide open to rebuttal ad hominems there, didn't I?), but isn't that an abnormal procedure when a service member is discharged? I mean, why did he lose all rank?

roughedges :) ,

The only way I know of for this to happen is if Strider was such a f*ckup and troublemaker that the Army held a disciplinary action and busted him and then administratively discharged him before his enlistment was up.

Anything from an Article 15 (Nonjudicial Punishment by the Commanding Officer) up thru Court Martial, followed by being kicked out of the Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCMJ

Much has been said about his discharge being Honorable. There are actually several types of discharge a person can earn. The best is HONORABLE, worst is Dishonorable.

People who foul up a lot and get kicked out usually get the second best type: General-Under Honorable Conditions. Although the General discharge is "under honorable conditions", there is a whole World of difference between the two. Personally, I only saw losers and nutcases get a General. It means that he did not measure up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_discharge

I have no way of knowing for sure what Strider got.

Steve
 
Let me state that I have NO problem with someone having a criminal record and then going on to put their life back together and become succesful. To the contrary...I APPLAUD it and would want the person to be held up as an example. As I have stated before, this is a unique situation. I am not the only person who is perhaps hyper-sensitive when it comes to issues of lying about your military service. In this case, perhaps the bigger issue is that Mr. Strider has NOT truly put his past behind him and gone on to become an honest and productive citizen in spite of the bad judgment he demonstrated as a younger man. His current actions give credence to the argument that he has NOT changed his ways and has gotten where he is today in part by engaging in similar, albeit less anti-social behaviors as the ones that got him into trouble. That being said, I can fully understand it if some people cannot seperate the man from the business or product. I had no plans to buy any of his knives for previously stated reasons, so I have no dog in this fight. Is will be interesting to see how this shakes out.
 
The man screwed up. The man has also undergone more public scrutiny for his mistakes than many of us will ever know.
If you mean that few of us will be subject to so much public scrutiny, that is surely true. But public figures, especially the "larger than life," with stories that are seemingly improbable are routinely subjected to intense scrutiny. Examples abound. Sometimes the stories check out.

To forgive is divine. Until the man is unjust to me personally, I am willing to overlook his past errors. ND, signing out.
Leaving aside the notion that all can be overlooked unless it is personally injurious, the line is, "To err is human. To forgive, devine." I suppose one may strive emulate the divinity, so long as we do not confuse who is merely human.

"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."
The facts will hopefully come out.
 
I am a little curious, what is going to be gained by all of this ???? Is the hope and plan of many here to see Strider knives put out of business ?? Some kind of public apology or Statement by Mick renouncing his misdeeds of the past.
Is Bladeforums inc willing to take the morale high road with these findings and ban the sale of all Strider knives by individuals, since it truelly believes that Mick Strider is a lying, fraud, military/Ranger poser want to be??
How about No longer allowing dealers to advertise and sell Strider knives on this forum, even if it means loss of revenue, I doubt that will be done?
So explain to me what is going to be gained by this whole topic being brought to light again on this forum, when no one really plans on doing the right thing about it anyway.
Nobody will ever get to the bottom of this story, its between Mick Strider and his conscience and he has to live with that.
 
Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. I was under the impression that Strider was medically discharged, not sure exactly where that was said though with all the threads going on. :)

in my mind, it seems like his discharge now also likely has a more sinister aspect to it.
 
We'd really need to know what his rank was prior to his article 15 - but odds are it was pretty serious. The bar to re-enlistment backs this up as well. The only soldiers that I've seen get the boot were thieves and wifebeaters - I'm not going to sit down and read all 24 pages of this and all the other threads about him, but the parts that I've read make him sound to me like he's full of $hit. Not that it affects his knife making abilities, but I'm sure that most of the military guys wouldn't be impressed. If you want a knife made by a Ranger, call Justin Gingrich at Ranger Knives (and do it soon, cuz he IS going back to Iraq shortly - as a contractor). Strider is pathological in his lying.
OR, if you want a knife from a guy who freely admits that he was never in the service, but has made many knives for spec ops guys, call Charlie Ochs. Having been in is not a requirement. However, LYING about it is a different story.
 
Mick said, "My loyalty is to my Country, my Family, Friends, Teammates and Sworn Oaths." Mick, where was your LOYALTY to your SWORN OATH OF ENLISTMENT?

I served honorably for over 24 years, retired as an E9 (highest enlisted grade) and am easy to find, I don't hide behind a keyboard. Strider knives will never see one penny of my military retirement.
 
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