Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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This, from the very beginning, seemed to me to be the most rational and honorable course of action.

"Mr. Strider, I have amassed a great deal of evidence against you regarding the following topics A,B,C,D, etc. and ask for your help in setting these facts straight. I am planning on posting this on my forum, Blade Forums, one week from today. If you care to reply, please do so and e-mail the reply to me. I'll check out what you say, point out any new information I find, and post your response.... right next to mine.

Thank you very much for your time."

Instead, we get an e-mail to a person whom is known to be a charlatan just like the one you are so interested in outing, with the following words:

"BTW, please do not disseminate this info or discuss it with anyone for OPSEC purposes. I want no advance warning given or time for defense to be made when I release this. Overwhelming evidence best works when unleashed all at once."

Where is the honor in that?

Since you have no clue what my intentions were prior to MadDog forcing my hand and having me publish this early, please don't protest too much. Furthermore, I have personal experience of Mick dodging my phone calls, emails, and faxes in the past. You need only read the last days of the Strider Forum on here to show that Mick is unwilling to communicate in any way, shape, or form.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda isn't the point. Mick Strider certainly didn't give me an opportunity to communicate with him when he called me a cocksucker, told me my site sucked ass, and actively tried to bring down BFC when he left here. Matter of fact, I was at the SHOT show, and he spent all weekend talking shit about me instead of bothering to call me or send a private message saying he was having problems. I find it ironic that I've given him every opportunity to respond here, since he isn't banned, and he hasn't, and my honor is being questioned... especially in light of his actions that led us to this point.

Tell me, sir, where is the honor in claiming you were going to serve in Somalia instead of serve prison time and using that to pump yourself up?
 
Actual malace may be inferred from the recklessness with which untrue statements are made. So making untrue statements without any reasonable basis for those statements allows a jury to find actual malace. The less effort to verify, the more likely the jury will find actual malice. You don't have to offer testimony that the defendant said, in effect, "I did it 'cause I hate the SOB."

(By the way, Mr. Strider did not "allocute" to anything in the case of tactical Assault Gear, et al. v. Strider Knives, Inc, et. al. It was a civil case. The quoted language is, on its face, from a settlement agreement, probably entered on the record of the trial court. The agreement could have been signed by the parties or by their respective attornies.

One allocutes in a criminal case either in an effort to offer information in mitigation before sentence ("Does the defendant have anything to say before sentence is imposed?" "Your Honor, I couldn't help myself. I knew he raped my sister. I just lost it.") or as a requirement of a plea bargain to try to prevent appeals - a confession in more-or-less detail on the record to head off later claims of innocence. Federal Criminal Rule 32 gives a right of allocution to a defendant, and many states have similar provisions in their criminal procedural law.

A defendant settles a civil case because he is convinced, for whatever reason(s), that it is better to do whatever the settlement requires than to go on with the contest. Experienced judges have the terms read in open court with the parties present, especially if the parties have not signed the agreement. Experienced lawyers have the parties sign.)
Truth being the ultimate defense in most of these cases, reckless disegard is still a high standard. Do you think fot a minute that the President could have gotten a judgment against CBS or Dan Rather, et al? This would be a VERY expensive case with a low likelihood of success. The facts as presented would tend to cloud any claim of malice or disregard to the point where most juries would just throw up their hands and find for he defendant.
 
Oh brother...

Sorry that I can't be more "Christ-like" but I don't think that I am alone when I say that I have a bit of trouble talking about forgiving someone if their subsequent words and actions indicate that they have no interest in being forgiven or don't actually think they have done anything that warrants forgiveness. Call me crazy..........:p
 
You are not required to produce anything you do not have....Remember the issue would already have been briefed and a declaration submitted by the defendant that he does not have the responsive document...If the DD-214 is needed by the plaintiff to prove the facts of his case he would already have it in his possession prior to the hearing....In fact, if he was a HSLD:eek: attorney he would have sent a subpoena to the U.S. Government for the DD-214 as soon as discovery was opened....The objective is to win the case and prove your facts, not get caught up in meaningless motions.

This will be the third time I mention it, so I hope you will consent to address it just once. . . .

Mick Strider contended on the internet that if examined, it would be found that Chris Osman had a "less than honorable" discharge. Osman sued him primarily over this disparagement. In fact Osman did apparently produce two of his own honorable discharges, one from service in the USMC, and one from service as a Navy SEAL.

Cue the counter claim that Mick Strider is a secret squirrel bullshitter. It is not essential to have his DD-214 to press that claim. I'd have loved to just have him under oath going over his chronology in painful detail and press that against his collected internet postings.

The best strategy was the one that was followed. Make Mick prove his secret squirrel bullshit. Money wasn't the apparent goal of that lawsuit, damaging and embarrassing admissions by Mickey Ray Burger about the lack of veracity of Mickey Ray Strider were.
 
Since you have no clue what my intentions were prior to MadDog forcing my hand and having me publish this early, please don't protest too much.

You're telling me not to conjecture? "MadDog forcing my hand" sounds like something involving "black ops".... See what I did there?

Your intentions seemed pretty well stated in your not-so-private e-mails to Mr. McClung?

Furthermore, I have personal experience of Mick dodging my phone calls, emails, and faxes in the past. You need only read the last days of the Strider Forum on here to show that Mick is unwilling to communicate in any way, shape, or form.

I've read those posts, and you both looked like two bickering children. It didn't give me a favorable impression of the actions of Mr. Strider OR you.

Mick Strider certainly didn't give me an opportunity to communicate with him when he called me a cocksucker, told me my site sucked ass, and actively tried to bring down BFC when he left here.

Could you post those posts, please? I've tried to read everything on this matter, but haven't read where he called you a cocksucker, or where he "actively tried to bring down BFC". Sounds like an overstatement, to me.

Matter of fact, I was at the SHOT show, and he spent all weekend talking shit about me instead of bothering to call me or send a private message saying he was having problems.

I recall reading MAYBE two posts where he spoke ill of you, and accused you of not answering PM's. I wouldn't call that "all weekend".

I find it ironic that I've given him every opportunity to respond here, since he isn't banned, and he hasn't, and my honor is being questioned... especially in light of his actions that led us to this point.

No, I question your MOTIVES. Are THEY honorable? The sneakiness by which you mounted this "attack" suggests to me otherwise.

Tell me, sir, where is the honor in claiming you were going to serve in Somalia instead of serve prison time and using that to pump yourself up?
The first part of your statement is fact, and the rest is your analysis.

His forum rarely has more than a handful of people. He didn't state this in a press release, but in a personal, low traffic forum. The Alexa ranking of his site currently is 733,345. Yours is 58,722. I doubt that less than one tenth of a percent of Strider's customers read his forum. How would that serve to "pump him up"?

There are a lot of things that don't add up about his claims, but there are just as many regarding your motives.

I think it all boils down to "his attempt to bring down BFC". That's known as a "grudge".
 
From wikipedia:

"Forgiveness may be considered simply in terms of the person who forgives, in terms of the person forgiven and/or in terms of the relationship between the forgiver and the person forgiven. In some contexts, it may be granted without any expectation of compensation, and without any response on the part of the offender (for example, one may forgive a person who is dead)."

Hmmmm.....
This definition is how I was raised and what I believe about the concept of forgiving. It's an act of the forgiver, not the forgivee.....

At any rate, IMO, at this point in the life of both SKI and micky it would be naive to dismiss all of the more recent Micky stories that he has about having connections with Special Forces.

Strider Knives has built quite a following, whether honorably or not. He is probably more involved with "Special Ops" personnel because of his company's reputation than when he was in the military, just because of his "highly reputable" military friendly company and the quality "Special Forces" style knives his company produces.

The fact that he appears to have lied so much about his past raises doubts about anything he says with respect to his current military involvement, but I suspect that because of his company he has much more of a chance now to truly get involved with some of these "Special Ops" guys than he ever did both preceeding and subsequent to him failing out of Ranger school.....and then again, maybe the guys he's doing business with whom he thinks are special ops guys are nothing but posers themselves....who knows...
 
Since Ida left before being able to answer this, maby Michelle or one of the others who post at badlads on a regular basis can. Thanks


Ida,
I have much respect for your defence of your friend. It is very comendable.

I was over at Badlands and found this post, can you explain it since you are friends with him.



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Bandaidman: Many people who served in the military don't care to talk about their past..some CAN'T those that fall into the CAN'T catagory are in two groups.1st group: classified ops (of which there are numerous) our government dosen't always want to advertise the dirty little jobs it has to do so we can enjoy the freedom to bullshit like this. There is a huge penalty for violating OPSEC. Jail etc... 2nd. group: Warriors like to believe the shit they do dosen't bother them, but you're an MD so you should know PTSD is real. It affects the best of us, memories seared inot our brains that will never go away, and truthfully it's the last thing we will ever talk about, and then only to a very close friend who has BTDT...
If you are prior military..would you mind posting your DD-214 on here? Just so us nosey halfwit wannabes can disassemble it word by word?
My last point is this. One only has to read some of Micks darker posts to know he has seen "combat" of course combat must be defined also. Combat in my opinion is a conflict between two human beings where in the end only one will survive, end of story. Micks description of knife combat in the aforementioned posts, is accurate to the point of causing me to have chills and a bad case of the shakes for several days after reading it. When he talks about the gore, the odors, the physical reaction of the BG's body and the terrible haunting mental anguish that follows for years to come.....Trust me He knows....How do I know..uuhh I read a lot of comic books....Sgt. Rock etc.. As for others getting hurt by this..jbravo just posted it was well worth it.....Teamates we will all suffer to protect each other....
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This was posted on Feb 7th of this year By HogDoc in post number 29.
http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums...ead.php?t=6763

First I looked for the links refrenced to of Micks' darker posts and was unable to find them. Can you please link them for me.

Second to the highlighted part, by Doc's words he says Mick has killed with a knife at least once. Was this while he was assigned to 2/75. By Micks own posts on Badlands, He says he has never seen combat while in the service or in the emply of the US. Governmet.


The following I left whole as I didn't want it to look like I might be leaving some of his words out.

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Couldn’t sleep, fucked up head again.


It’s a very difficult life when you don’t have a past. Don’t have things you can talk about with your friends and family. Im not much of a talker any way, but it sucks…. When you have a wealth of experience based knowledge that it is difficult to share, because EVERY piece of paper ever written about you points out the bad.

“How do you know that”?
I just do….
“You can’t just know that…where did you learn that”?
Oh look…a bird.


Imagine if you didn’t have an adult life up until you were 30. Born at age 30.

When I was 18 I went in the Army…then I had an injury that didn’t show up on Xrays. (soft tissue), didn’t meet any criteria. Was I making it up? (I was told by an e-MD just today through a PM that I was making it up). Got out of the Army and fell down to the point that I went to prison. That of course was the key sentence, micks ball and chain…

“fell down to the point that I went to prison”
That is the encapsulated moment of my life that makes mick bad.
Truth be known, I would have gone back to it. Prison would not have rehabilitated me in any way. I would have gotten out of prison and been gone the next day. I was very self destructive in those days.
So then what? Why the change of heart?
My son.
Forest saved me.


Am I bad because I tried my hardest to serve my Country but couldn’t? Of course not.

Am I bad because I went to prison? I WAS. You have to decide if I AM.

Have I misrepresented myself? Not that I know of…but that is not for me to decide.
As far as I know…ive been telling people for years…short time Ranger, fuck up, prison, knives.

Because ive been to prison, im a Pariah. I don’t count. Cant vote, cant own a fire arm to protect my family, and of course am an easy target for all of the e-heroes out there who use their eBalls to attack someone they know nothing about. Im not even allowed the privacy of a normal human. These people are TRYING to get me arrested again! Lets try and catch mick with a gun!

Correct me if im wrong….are we getting carried away?
Mick Strider is a knife maker. I make knives. I stand at a machine and make metal dust.
Why the passion to get me?
Im no one! I just make cool knives!



I wouldn’t trade my experiences…but it sucks to have to be called a liar for the rest of my life (omission is a lie, im told) because of things I did before I was 25.

Ive lost two marriages over it. I REALLY loved my wives…. Both of them, Destroyed through miscommunication and PTSD symptoms… both are great for a Marriage....



Being attacked continuously on the internet doesn’t help my brain much. I do pretty well at ignoring it, but I would be a liar to say it doesn’t affect me. Of course it does, but it affects me in ways that are different from how it would affect you. Im lucky or unlucky, how ever you want to think about it, in that I just assume everyone thinks im a shitbag. It’s a side effect of getting out of prison at 30 I guess. So I don’t take it personally when im attacked on the internet. What I am is disgusted, and a bit enraged, that people could be so incredibly low. This behavior is SO much lower than that of prison inmates…its truly vile. How could you be filled with that much hate?
Unfortunately, im completely defenseless against these attacks. My friends jump in and take my hits for me…but it doesn’t do any good. A million people who know me personally, cant change the mind of someone who believes what they want to.

Because of the fact that im defenseless, im an easy target, and it wont go away.
I personally am not interested in having computer arguments with people. I don’t have the time. Which brings me to my point.

Life’s little changes:

Im defenseless against internet attacks, as we all know, mick is eBad!
Im not much for defense anyway….defense isn’t my gig.

At the same time…..i don’t give a fuck about these guys, and don’t feel any need to go to eWar.
What is my option?

Success of course.

In the continued effort to overcome my past….


Every thing bad in my life is on the internet.
I spend WAY too much time cooling the fires of the attacks on mick.

Im gonna stay away from the internet for a while. They can shout at that machine as loud as they want, I wont hear a thing.
I can’t tell you what to do, but if it was up to me, you would not bother to respond to Mick bashing. All they want is attention….not giving it is the worst punishment I suggest you stay as far away from those people as you can. Remember that your life is short, and the more time you spend arguing with retards, the more retarded you become.

Those “people” have lost my attention. If I can’t kill them with a hammer, ill kill them with more success.


See you in person.

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I don't give a damn about his prison term, or if he was injured and left the service. What I do want to know is if he ever served in combat or are his prior words stating things of this nature just hype to further enhance his image and sell knives. As a vet myself I take a very dim view of those who profess to be something they are not.

Even in the post above he alludes to a secret life, not being born till he was 30. Was he a contractor during the missing years, if so maby what he did was secret but the fact that he was a contractor isn't. If he got paid they would have to file tax forms and he would have had to claim the income.

Or was he talking about crimminal enterprices and this is why he can't talk about it for fear of going to jail?

Thank you for any help you can shed on this
 
Me next! Me next!

Please analyze my motivations, especially since I jumped in before Spark did, don't own a website or a knife company, and am only a humble ELU in the knife world.
 
This will be the third time I mention it, so I hope you will consent to address it just once. . . .

Mick Strider contended on the internet that if examined, it would be found that Chris Osman had a "less than honorable" discharge. Osman sued him primarily over this disparagement. In fact Osman did apparently produce two of his own honorable discharges, one from service in the USMC, and one from service as a Navy SEAL.

Cue the counter claim that Mick Strider is a secret squirrel bullshitter. It is not essential to have his DD-214 to press that claim. I'd have loved to just have him under oath going over his chronology in painful detail and press that against his collected internet postings.

The best strategy was the one that was followed. Make Mick prove his secret squirrel bullshit. Money wasn't the apparent goal of that lawsuit, damaging and embarrassing admissions by Mickey Ray Burger about the lack of veracity of Mickey Ray Strider were.

Can you direct me to the actual court papers, I would like to understand more of what you say was a "counter claim"...What would be more interesting would be depositions of the plaintiff, defendants and witnesses....

Remember if you are a plaintiff in litigation your going to be on the hot seat too at some point and depositions can go very far in discovering things that you might consider private.
 
Sorry, but all we have are the rough outlines of the genesis of the suit, why it was brought, and how it apparently ended. Eventually, I might get around to requesting a copy of the file itself, but it's down the list.

What I was getting at with you, is why would it be essential to the plaintiff to have Mick Strider's actual and unexpurgated DD-214 if you, as the defamed plaintiff, were having your own service record disparaged?

As the plaintiff you just put your own records into evidence and demonstrate Strider's disregard for the truth of the matter. You win your case. Getting Mick to call himself a liar in a settlement document would just be twisting the knife.
 
GrindHouse

Case Number: GIN046566
Case Site: North County
Case Type: Civil
Date Filed: 08/09/2005
Category: A60508 Libel
Information retrieved from: http://www.sdcourt.ca.gov/portal/pag..._schema=PORTAL

Actual copies of the court case cited require sending a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope with the above information to:
North County Regional Center
Business Office / Records
325 South Melrose
Vista, CA 92081
760-726-9595

Now can we please get back on topic. You want to see the files order it, you won't believe anything posted here by someone else anyway.
 
I've read those posts, and you both looked like two bickering children. It didn't give me a favorable impression of the actions of Mr. Strider OR you.
You are entitled to your opinion. I notice you certainly aren't castigating Mick Strider on a regular basis. I'll also point out I handled myself a lot more politely and with a lot more patience. Furthermore, you're definition of "bickering children" is pretty humorous. But that's neither here nor there. This thread is about Mick, not me.

Could you post those posts, please? I've tried to read everything on this matter, but haven't read where he called you a cocksucker, or where he "actively tried to bring down BFC". Sounds like an overstatement, to me.
I'd suggest you reread the archives.

Check the threads "Attn Spark" "This site sucks!" and others. Do your own homework.

Notice that he's not interested in calling, and he's too impatient to figure out how to actually use the software.

I recall reading MAYBE two posts where he spoke ill of you, and accused you of not answering PM's. I wouldn't call that "all weekend".
It started on 2-13 and ended on 2-19, conveniently while I was at SHOT. He whipped up a public spectacle, instead of contacting me privately. His cronies decided to encourage people to head for greener pastures. Hm, maybe I should question Mick's motives.

No, I question your MOTIVES. Are THEY honorable? The sneakiness by which you mounted this "attack" suggests to me otherwise.
My motives are clearly explained, repeatedly, throughout this thread. Getting my ducks in a row before I make a public statement is good sense, especially with regards to lawsuits. If you don't like it, you can bravely step up and ID yourself there, buckaroo. Otherwise I'm going to question your motives because you are starting to sound like a shill.

His forum rarely has more than a handful of people. He didn't state this in a press release, but in a personal, low traffic forum. The Alexa ranking of his site currently is 733,345. Yours is 58,722. I doubt that less than one tenth of a percent of Strider's customers read his forum. How would that serve to "pump him up"?
His motives are a mystery to me man, why would he lie about being sent to Somalia? Why would he carjack someone? Why go AWOL? These are bizarre actions for someone who touts honor. Yet here we are.

There are a lot of things that don't add up about his claims, but there are just as many regarding your motives.
Fortunately you can actually question me, I'm not hiding and making tough guy talk about killing people with hammers like a punk.

I think it all boils down to "his attempt to bring down BFC". That's known as a "grudge".
That's your opinion. Funny how I waited 4 years, and waited another 4 days after he made such spurious claims to actually spring into action with my nefarious plans. Heck, I must have been just biding my time, collecting all of this evidence, waiting and waiting praying for Mick Strider to screw up. Heck, I just ignored the whole Mad Dog / Mick Strider blowout because I was hoping they'd kill each other and it'd be a battle royale with men in fatigues dueling with knives!

You know, instead of just living my life and ignoring his posing and posturing and not giving a damn about him and his cronies. It wasn't until I saw a 30 page thread on Cold Steel that I even had an interest on this, though. But if you have evidence otherwise, back up your statements.

In the meantime, you keep on trying to shift the blame there. It's almost, nah, who am I kidding. It's obviously not working.
 
No sir, I wouldn't ask you to make the decision for me. I'm merely at a loss for words that someone would claim something like that. I was always taught, especially in the Marine Corps, honor and integrity were something you never sacrificed. It's beyond me that someone would do this. I've bull sh#tted with the best of em but only in jest. The fact that someone would sincerely lie about their service is disparaging and sad. Be proud that you served, whether you're a pencil pusher or a hard chargin' moto nutcase, you served your country. My conscience says he's not a man to be trusted but also am I wary of the information obtained (please take no offence, I'm merely being cautious). All things are to be questioned, but there seems to be more information that reflects negatively on Mr. Strider/Burger. It's really sad and dishonorable. I just don't want to believe that someone would be so heartless and dishonest.
 
What I was getting at with you, is why would it be essential to the plaintiff to have Mick Strider's actual and unexpurgated DD-214 if you, as the defamed plaintiff, were having your own service record disparaged?


It would be to attack the credibility of the other party....Counsel question," Have you ever been a Ranger?"....Defendant answer," No."....Counsel, " LIAR, here is your DD-214 proving your a Ranger."
 
Let your own conscience guide you. If you feel that there has been enough evidence presented to show that Mick is guilty of what he is being accused of, then base your decision on that. If you feel that what has been brought forward in this thread has proved nothing, let that be your guide. The rest of us can't make that decision for you.

The whole thread could best be summed up by these words.
 
NousDefions said:
This, from the very beginning, seemed to me to be the most rational and honorable course of action.

One more time: you can question Spark's methods and/or his motives all day long, but that doe not address the serious allogations he has laid on the table in a clear and consolidated presentation with each allogation backed by apparently-credible, documentary evidence. Spark may very well be a dirty, rotten scoundrel for doing this or for how he did this, but that does not matter because the compelling nature and the credibility of his accusations do not rest on his character or his integrity but are founded in that apparently-credible, documentary evidence.

One more time people: if you want to disprove the allogations, then do that; disprove the allogations with credible, documentary evidence. Questioning Spark or his character or his motives only serves to increase the credibility of his allogations by implying that there is no response to the allogations.

People, I have said this several times now: if you don't like Spark, if you think he's a scoundrel, if you want him and his allogations against Mr. Strider to go away now and forever, now is your chance. Spark is all-in on this hand. You can bankrupt him and kick him out of the game in one play here. All you need do is show us that Royal Flush hand of yours and Spark will be ruined. The crowd is shouting CALL, CALL, CALL. It is time to show your cards or lay dow your hand and quite the holy game of poker. Stop delaying and distracting. Let's see that Royal Flush.

You do have a Royal Flush, don't you?

You haven't been bluffing, have you?
 
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