Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

[flipe8]

My take on the Somalia thing is that it's unlikely Mick Strider was officially offered this as a "sentence", but the prosecutor, investigating officer or someone of that nature "might" have suggested something like that to him to get confessions. Right now, there's a massive case going on that has the defence bringing up the fact that the investigators lied on numerous times to get a confession. And the RCMP isn't disputing that. It states that it's simple tactics to reach the end goals. They did things like place empty boxes with the defendant's name on them in the interview room telling the defendant how much evidence they already had on him and telling personal lies to build trust. I hardly think it's wrong to do that, but it does show it's certainly possible for a prosecutor to hint at or lead the defendant to believe certain things in order to get a conviction.

 

[jdm61]

I just looked at the whole pdf. Looks like pretty standard stuff. I assume you're referring to :

"THE DEFENDANT IS ALLOWED TO POSSESS KNIVES ONLY AT WORK AND SHALL NOT POSSESS DANGEROUS WEAPONS IN HIS RESIDENCE OR VEHICLE. ANY KNIVES THE DEFENDANT SELLS OR MANUFACTURES SHALL REMAIN ON THE PREMISES OF HIS PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT AND ARE NOT TO BE TRANSPORTED BY THE DEFENDANT."

I think that it's extremely generous for the court to give a guy who's just gotten out of prison for a violent felony that kind of privilege!

But I truly believe that the courts and the PO's are there to help someone who's just been released get on the right track. Not put them right back in prison without due cause.

That is actually a pretty standard condition of probation slightly modified o suit Strider's business. The common term of probabtion would be something that would be interpreted as "leave your work knife in your toolbox" so....if at any time from his release up until his parole was terminated or modified, Mick was seen at a show promoting his knives, etc, he was arguably in violation of his terms of release. lol.

 

[Jim G.]

Ida,
I have much respect for your defence of your friend. It is very comendable.

I was over at Badlands and found this post, can you explain it since you are friends with him.

Bandaidman: Many people who served in the military don't care to talk about their past..some CAN'T those that fall into the CAN'T catagory are in two groups.1st group: classified ops (of which there are numerous) our government dosen't always want to advertise the dirty little jobs it has to do so we can enjoy the freedom to bullshit like this. There is a huge penalty for violating OPSEC. Jail etc... 2nd. group: Warriors like to believe the shit they do dosen't bother them, but you're an MD so you should know PTSD is real. It affects the best of us, memories seared inot our brains that will never go away, and truthfully it's the last thing we will ever talk about, and then only to a very close friend who has BTDT...
If you are prior military..would you mind posting your DD-214 on here? Just so us nosey halfwit wannabes can disassemble it word by word?
My last point is this. One only has to read some of Micks darker posts to know he has seen "combat" of course combat must be defined also. Combat in my opinion is a conflict between two human beings where in the end only one will survive, end of story. Micks description of knife combat in the aforementioned posts, is accurate to the point of causing me to have chills and a bad case of the shakes for several days after reading it. When he talks about the gore, the odors, the physical reaction of the BG's body and the terrible haunting mental anguish that follows for years to come.....Trust me He knows....How do I know..uuhh I read a lot of comic books....Sgt. Rock etc.. As for others getting hurt by this..jbravo just posted it was well worth it.....Teamates we will all suffer to protect each other....
__________________

This was posted on Feb 7th of this year By HogDoc in post number 29.
http://www.badlandsforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6763

First I looked for the links refrenced to of Micks' darker posts and was unable to find them. Can you please link them for me.

Second to the highlighted part, by Doc's words he says Mick has killed with a knife at least once. Was this while he was assigned to 2/75. By Micks own posts on Badlands, He says he has never seen combat while in the service or in the emply of the US. Governmet.


The following I left whole as I didn't want it to look like I might be leaving some of his words out.

Couldn’t sleep, fucked up head again.


It’s a very difficult life when you don’t have a past. Don’t have things you can talk about with your friends and family. Im not much of a talker any way, but it sucks…. When you have a wealth of experience based knowledge that it is difficult to share, because EVERY piece of paper ever written about you points out the bad.

“How do you know that”?
I just do….
“You can’t just know that…where did you learn that”?
Oh look…a bird.


Imagine if you didn’t have an adult life up until you were 30. Born at age 30.

When I was 18 I went in the Army…then I had an injury that didn’t show up on Xrays. (soft tissue), didn’t meet any criteria. Was I making it up? (I was told by an e-MD just today through a PM that I was making it up). Got out of the Army and fell down to the point that I went to prison. That of course was the key sentence, micks ball and chain…

“fell down to the point that I went to prison”
That is the encapsulated moment of my life that makes mick bad.
Truth be known, I would have gone back to it. Prison would not have rehabilitated me in any way. I would have gotten out of prison and been gone the next day. I was very self destructive in those days.
So then what? Why the change of heart?
My son.
Forest saved me.


Am I bad because I tried my hardest to serve my Country but couldn’t? Of course not.

Am I bad because I went to prison? I WAS. You have to decide if I AM.

Have I misrepresented myself? Not that I know of…but that is not for me to decide.
As far as I know…ive been telling people for years…short time Ranger, fuck up, prison, knives.

Because ive been to prison, im a Pariah. I don’t count. Cant vote, cant own a fire arm to protect my family, and of course am an easy target for all of the e-heroes out there who use their eBalls to attack someone they know nothing about. Im not even allowed the privacy of a normal human. These people are TRYING to get me arrested again! Lets try and catch mick with a gun!

Correct me if im wrong….are we getting carried away?
Mick Strider is a knife maker. I make knives. I stand at a machine and make metal dust.
Why the passion to get me?
Im no one! I just make cool knives!



I wouldn’t trade my experiences…but it sucks to have to be called a liar for the rest of my life (omission is a lie, im told) because of things I did before I was 25.

Ive lost two marriages over it. I REALLY loved my wives…. Both of them, Destroyed through miscommunication and PTSD symptoms… both are great for a Marriage....



Being attacked continuously on the internet doesn’t help my brain much. I do pretty well at ignoring it, but I would be a liar to say it doesn’t affect me. Of course it does, but it affects me in ways that are different from how it would affect you. Im lucky or unlucky, how ever you want to think about it, in that I just assume everyone thinks im a shitbag. It’s a side effect of getting out of prison at 30 I guess. So I don’t take it personally when im attacked on the internet. What I am is disgusted, and a bit enraged, that people could be so incredibly low. This behavior is SO much lower than that of prison inmates…its truly vile. How could you be filled with that much hate?
Unfortunately, im completely defenseless against these attacks. My friends jump in and take my hits for me…but it doesn’t do any good. A million people who know me personally, cant change the mind of someone who believes what they want to.

Because of the fact that im defenseless, im an easy target, and it wont go away.
I personally am not interested in having computer arguments with people. I don’t have the time. Which brings me to my point.

Life’s little changes:

Im defenseless against internet attacks, as we all know, mick is eBad!
Im not much for defense anyway….defense isn’t my gig.

At the same time…..i don’t give a fuck about these guys, and don’t feel any need to go to eWar.
What is my option?

Success of course.

In the continued effort to overcome my past….


Every thing bad in my life is on the internet.
I spend WAY too much time cooling the fires of the attacks on mick.

Im gonna stay away from the internet for a while. They can shout at that machine as loud as they want, I wont hear a thing.
I can’t tell you what to do, but if it was up to me, you would not bother to respond to Mick bashing. All they want is attention….not giving it is the worst punishment I suggest you stay as far away from those people as you can. Remember that your life is short, and the more time you spend arguing with retards, the more retarded you become.

Those “people” have lost my attention. If I can’t kill them with a hammer, ill kill them with more success.


See you in person.

m

I don't give a damn about his prison term, or if he was injured and left the service. What I do want to know is if he ever served in combat or are his prior words stating things of this nature just hype to further enhance his image and sell knives. As a vet myself I take a very dim view of those who profess to be something they are not.

Even in the post above he alludes to a secret life, not being born till he was 30. Was he a contractor during the missing years, if so maby what he did was secret but the fact that he was a contractor isn't. If he got paid they would have to file tax forms and he would have had to claim the income.

Or was he talking about crimminal enterprices and this is why he can't talk about it for fear of going to jail?

Thank you for any help you can shed on this.

 

[mr_wilson]

...was posting,,,will now stop...

That right there is some of the best information in this whole mess.

Hopefully his parents will remove his computer privileges permanently.

Sorry, but I just couldn't resist.......

 

[jdm61]

In most states, defamation regarding a man's occupation allows recovery of punitive damages (to punish) without proof of actual loss of income.

ah, but actions of this type require proof. Mick Strider would clearly be considered a public figure because he has continuously held himself out as such. As such, in any action for libel, he would have to prove not only a reckless disregard for the truth, but also actual malice. That is a tough standard to meet.

 

[jdm61]

Alright, this has gone on long enough.

The real question is, is Micky's image as some heroic badland Ranger soldier consistent with his military record?

You'd have to be a fool to sit here and read all of this and not recognize what has taken place with Micky Burger (aka Mick Strider). Even his name change appears to be nothing more than another one of his building blocks geared toward creating some tough guy image.......really, I mean which Special Ops combat vet would you rather buy a knife from, a guy named "Micky Burger" or "Mick Strider". Of course, it really doesn't matter to any normal person what the spelling is of the name of the person we buy a knife from, we all know that. But to a guy whose sole purpose is to create this poser merc image, he will think it matters.

He was a Ranger? Just because he signed up and lasted a few weeks before he was cut? Technically he was....technically.....yeah, right!

Wait a minute! I drove around Harvard's parking lot a few years ago... Now I can tell everyone that I went to Harvard....yeah, that's the ticket :thumbup:

Here's a guy that was an AWOL soldier and who was also convicted for armed car jacking, and his supporters are somehow doubting that Micky would stoop so low as to lie or mislead about his military record, which coincidentally happens to financially benefit the image of the business the guy is involved with.

Are you all that stoopid? No, you're not.

Now, with that said. We all need to get over this.

Everyone has screwed up, some worse than others perhaps.

At some point, Strider needs to be forgiven for his past mistakes. We need to let this go at some point.

The final question for me is, at what point are we, as fellow knife enthusiasts, ready to forgive this guy who happens to make a pretty decent looking knife?

This is the only question we need to resolve at this point, IMO. Anything else is just a circle jerk because this thread reached critical mass about thirty pages ago.

RWS, you sound like a very decent and honorable fellow. But you miss one critical point. In order for someone to be forgiven, THEY must first ASK for forgiveness, which generally involves fully owning up to their actions and showing remorse. Mick has arguably only done that when forced by a court settlement. He still thinks and talks like a yardbird, so some folks will treat him as one.

 

[Horned Toad]

Second, that's twice now you've attacked me for doing the right thing. As a Ranger who was in the 75th, why aren't you stepping up to the plate and questioning the nature of these claims? You've already admitted that this sounds unlikely to you. Why aren't you doing anything about it?

Actually Mick and one of my closest friends who I spent years with in the Rangers are pissed at me because I did start to run some checks on Mick’s Ranger background. The difference between you and I is that I didn’t go tell the Internet world what I was doing. I did talk to Mick and got the info strait from him. He did give me the info even though he was pissed at me for asking. My checks run a bit different than most folks. I go to the source. Even at my home ArmyRanger.com I don’t have contact with anyone who was at 2nd bat in 85/86. We get new members all the time, but since the records you have posted show he was there, it’s a moot point. The only thing I could ask is what kind of troop he was, did he get hurt, and at that time if hurt was it customary to get sent down the road while waiting to get out of the Army (which is how it was when I was in).


On all the other claims, if Mclung, Thompson, Emerson, Harris, Tang and Osman cant get an answer, how in the world am I supposed to do better. Just playing the odds, some in that group have to be smarter than me and I bet they all have more money than me.

 

[jdm61]

Happens all the time.....If you don't have the responsive document, you can't produce it....Go ahead and file a motion, you'll never overcome the fact that the defendant say's he doesn't have it....You can get the actual document from a non-party who actually originated the document....And in this case, go ahead and try to prove he still has his DD-214 and is not producing it, and you've run up $10 to15,000.00 dollars in legal fees over something that you can get on your own....Oh, so you then try to get tricky and file a motion to search defendants computers and now your into $40,000.00 to 120,000.00 in expert fee's and legal fee's and costs FOR SOMETHING YOU CAN GET FROM A NON-PARTY...If plaintiff's attorney ran up a huge bill for a document he could easily get from a non-party, the attorney may get stuck with the bill if the client balks...If the DD-214 is important to the plaintiff, his attorney better get it otherwise he has opened himself up to a legal malpractice claim...Remember the judge is going to ask the question, " So counsel, have you tried the U.S. Government, I heard they keep records don't they?"

Actually, the first question would be "where is the DD214, Mr.Burgerstrider? You have had over a month to aquire it at minimal cost to yourself and knew before then that it would probably be requested in discovery. Why did you choose not to get it and require the plaintiff to run up billable hours for something that you should either already have in your possesion or could obtain for the cost of a stamp and copying fees? Maybe the courts around here deal with things differently, but where i come from, they don't cotton to parties playing games.

 

[Grindhouse]

In most states, defamation regarding a man's occupation allows recovery of punitive damages (to punish) without proof of actual loss of income.

I hope this link helps....

http://www.ivanhoffman.com/defamationinternet.html

 

[NousDefions]

Uncalled for. You want proof, he's going to get it for you. Don't insult him for doing what you requested.

My apologies. The insult was uncalled for. However, it seems that his motives are questionable. The whole thing reminds me of a "I'm gonna go tell Mommy about this!" situation.

 

[Spark]

Actually Mick and one of my closest friends who I spent years with in the Rangers are pissed at me because I did start to run some checks on Mick’s Ranger background. The difference between you and I is that I didn’t go tell the Internet world what I was doing. I did talk to Mick and got the info strait from him. He did give me the info even though he was pissed at me for asking. My checks run a bit different than most folks. I go to the source. Even at my home ArmyRanger.com I don’t have contact with anyone who was at 2nd bat in 85/86. We get new members all the time, but since the records you have posted show he was there, it’s a moot point. The only thing I could ask is what kind of troop he was, did he get hurt, and at that time if hurt was it customary to get sent down the road while waiting to get out of the Army (which is how it was when I was in).

If that's indeed the case, then you have my sincere apologies for questioning your integrity. I've stated since the beginning, I'm making no claims here on anything that I cannot actually back up. My opinions are my own. I urge each and every person to do their own critical thinking on the facts and draw their own conclusions.

You are right, I didn't go to Mick and ask, because I knew he'd refuse to answer. He's already shown unwillingness to answer on his own websites, why would he answer them here? Still, had he only stated his dates I'd never have been sent the FOIA documents showing everything else. As for telling the internet world, well, Mick made the claims on the internet, so why is it out of bounds to ask him to back them up here?

 

[NousDefions]

In order for someone to be forgiven, THEY must first ASK for forgiveness, which generally involves fully owning up to their actions and showing remorse.

From wikipedia:

"Forgiveness may be considered simply in terms of the person who forgives, in terms of the person forgiven and/or in terms of the relationship between the forgiver and the person forgiven. In some contexts, it may be granted without any expectation of compensation, and without any response on the part of the offender (for example, one may forgive a person who is dead)."

Hmmmm.....

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I'm a veteran and I'd like to know; if Mick Strider's the bad guy then that means that Duane (Dwayne), is the good guy and has gotten himself in a tangled mess. Buck knives is a good company, they collaborated with both of the strider guys. So that means it's ok to own one right? I'm not insulting my brothers or forefathers? I'm really confused and some help would be appreciated.

Let your own conscience guide you. If you feel that there has been enough evidence presented to show that Mick is guilty of what he is being accused of, then base your decision on that. If you feel that what has been brought forward in this thread has proved nothing, let that be your guide. The rest of us can't make that decision for you.

 

[flipe8]

If those closest to him are OK with what he's done, who are any of us to question that? During this thread, I've seen plenty of very well respected knife makers come to his defence. Plenty of people whom could actually benefit from Strider Knives demise, but they defend him just the same. Mick's own partner is a LEO and vet and he's OK with Mick's past. We've had several LEOs defend him and a person whom could have a real beef with him if he were so bad, a Ranger, come in a say he's OK many times over. And anyone who cries foul is lumped into this category of wannabes and mindless followers ignorant to the "truth". After all, we're only just looking for the "truth" It would have nothing to do with axes to grind. Never that. And it would never be faceless mob mentality where you get your kicks in when you can. No, we're just looking to get to the bottom of this most important, life-altering subject.
When I signed up here, I was looking for a group of individuals that shared at least one common interest. And I like it here. It's become part of what I do each day.When I bought my membership, I felt good about supporting a community that gave more than it took. That said, I didn't pay for this sort of horse shit and it bothers me deeply that there are way too many here whom are enjoying this sort of stuff. Next to child porn and beheadings, this is probably the worst the interent has to offer.

 

[Boats]

Good for you. Won't you feel important!

I can see the headlines now: "Boats! Fearless Avenger of Those Oppressed By An Evil Knifemaker!"

I'm not doing this to be popular, I'm doing this to get the truth.

Mick Strider doesn't owe we critics anything in particular.

In light of his past boasts and secret squirrel marketing on the internet, press kits, and in industry publications, he owes the knife buying public AS A WHOLE a full explanation as to the questions that have been ably brought calling him out as a poser.

He dug his own dirt. I'm trying to find out what part of it is pure bullshit.

You railed about us not having evidence. I announce a plan designed to garner such evidence and I'm the bad guy?

Newsflash sport. There isn't really a bad guy in this story. Mick seems to be a substantially reformed felon with a habit of lying badly. I am just some guy who doesn't appreciate that habit.

He could clear all of this up but won't. I'll try and do it for him so no one has to wonder.

 

[NousDefions]

You are right, I didn't go to Mick and ask, because I knew he'd refuse to answer.

This, from the very beginning, seemed to me to be the most rational and honorable course of action.

"Mr. Strider, I have amassed a great deal of evidence against you regarding the following topics A,B,C,D, etc. and ask for your help in setting these facts straight. I am planning on posting this on my forum, Blade Forums, one week from today. If you care to reply, please do so and e-mail the reply to me. I'll check out what you say, point out any new information I find, and post your response.... right next to mine.

Thank you very much for your time."

Instead, we get an e-mail to a person whom is known to be a charlatan just like the one you are so interested in outing, with the following words:

"BTW, please do not disseminate this info or discuss it with anyone for OPSEC purposes. I want no advance warning given or time for defense to be made when I release this. Overwhelming evidence best works when unleashed all at once."

Where is the honor in that?

 

[Thomas Linton]

ah, but actions of this type require proof. Mick Strider would clearly be considered a public figure because he has continuously held himself out as such. As such, in any action for libel, he would have to prove not only a reckless disregard for the truth, but also actual malice. That is a tough standard to meet.

Actual malace may be inferred from the recklessness with which untrue statements are made. So making untrue statements without any reasonable basis for those statements allows a jury to find actual malace. The less effort to verify, the more likely the jury will find actual malice. You don't have to offer testimony that the defendant said, in effect, "I did it 'cause I hate the SOB."

(By the way, Mr. Strider did not "allocute" to anything in the case of tactical Assault Gear, et al. v. Strider Knives, Inc, et. al. It was a civil case. The quoted language is, on its face, from a settlement agreement, probably entered on the record of the trial court. The agreement could have been signed by the parties or by their respective attornies.

One allocutes in a criminal case either in an effort to offer information in mitigation before sentence ("Does the defendant have anything to say before sentence is imposed?" "Your Honor, I couldn't help myself. I knew he raped my sister. I just lost it.") or as a requirement of a plea bargain to try to prevent appeals - a confession in more-or-less detail on the record to head off later claims of innocence. Federal Criminal Rule 32 gives a right of allocution to a defendant, and many states have similar provisions in their criminal procedural law.

A defendant settles a civil case because he is convinced, for whatever reason(s), that it is better to do whatever the settlement requires than to go on with the contest. Experienced judges have the terms read in open court with the parties present, especially if the parties have not signed the agreement. Experienced lawyers have the parties sign.)

 

[jdm61]

Wikepedia Chapter 7 , Verse 19, eh? I guess if you choose to utilize an online Encyclopedia as your moral compass, then that is ok with me

 

[Grindhouse]

Actually, the first question would be "where is the DD214, Mr.Burgerstrider? You have had over a month to aquire it at minimal cost to yourself and knew before then that it would probably be requested in discovery. Why did you choose not to get it and require the plaintiff to run up billable hours for something that you should either already have in your possesion or could obtain for the cost of a stamp and copying fees? Maybe the courts around here deal with things differently, but where i come from, they don't cotton to parties playing games.

You are not required to produce anything you do not have....Remember the issue would already have been briefed and a declaration submitted by the defendant that he does not have the responsive document...If the DD-214 is needed by the plaintiff to prove the facts of his case he would already have it in his possession prior to the hearing....In fact, if he was a HSLD attorney he would have sent a subpoena to the U.S. Government for the DD-214 as soon as discovery was opened....The objective is to win the case and prove your facts, not get caught up in meaningless motions.

 

[Jim G.]

Do any of you hot shot lawyers know are federal tax returns private or are they considered public records obtainable under the Freedom of Information Act?