Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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Thomas Linton said:
Carl, you simplify too greatly, I fear. There are his comments, quoted, about combat as a serviceman and his claims about an opportunity, as a "DX'd" former Private, to being sent to Somalia in some non-service combat capacity in lieu of incarceration. Those attempting to suspend judgment have no credible basis to believe those claims, and they seem unlikely on the present evidence. Faith may "move mountains," and Mr. Strider clearly has loyal friends, but faith may not move the opinion of most under the existing circumstances.
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Actually, I think the quote was that he was in combat in the service of the US Government, not as a serviceman.

You would have to try and get the info from the prosecutor on the Somalia claim, but again, I ask you for something that disproves what he says. This is speculation that a private would not be offered this, but I could speculate that if he worked for an outfit before the court case, it could have been put on the table.

--Carl
 
Grayscouts said:
PriceCW - The extract you received is bogus. Micks MOS proves he did NOT complete RANGER SCHOOL. His own DD214, Striker Approved, shows he did not complete RANGER SCHOOL. He only completed RIP, RIP is not RANGER SCHOOL.

Paul
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That quote showed two things, one the Pentagon's public records -- Military Service with an honorable discharge, and then a Bio done by a public relations officer for alumni and career placement. I pointed to the Pentagon's response to show that the info on the DD214 appear to jive with what the Pentagon has on him.

--Carl
 
Boats said:
That "proof" doesn't even square with Mogadishu's own accounting of his brief career.
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OK, you cut the quote down to a public affairs officers account, let's trim it to the Pentagons. Military service, Ranger Battalion, Honorable discharge.

Boats said:
The only pertinent details are who was going to take a dirtbagger E-1 with a profound spinal injury, remarkably light training, and precious little experience? Furthermore, who'd be letting this character LEAD, going so far as to call the shots on unit load-outs for missions?



You aren't looking very hard.:rolleyes:
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Again, you are making leaps of faith in your own mind. You do not know what went on between '86-92. I don't know, but nothing has been shown to see a dirtbagger. Please elaborate your evidence here, not your faith.


Boats said:
Looks like we need to get his ex on the horn. She apparently knows about his personal decorating by the head of the CIA.
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Ex-wives have a way of making things up in a custody hearing. I don't know, but that is a he said/she said thing. Same as you are doing.

To clear things up and re-iterate.

I do not know Mick or Duane.

I do not own a Strider knife.

I am a Vet, honorably discharged.

People can point to things others have said about Mick that were not true, a lot of them being paraded about were cleared up by the author (the magazine article for one). However, with all the evidence being presented here, everything shown jives with what has been said by Mick. Some things said, do not have pro or con evidence, but everything else seems to show an honest person. Add that to the good he is and has done for servicemen, and it gets hard to see where the hate is coming from.

So, I again ask, if you have proof of a lie wrt this mess (not just an "officer, I was doing 56mph" thing), please post it. Put the statement from Mick, with proof that what was said is a lie.

--Carl
 
hardheart said:
the quote showed some guy talking about two things.
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SkinnyDale was the only one who claimed to call the pentagon. If you think it is untrue, please call and verify, I personally have no reason to believe he did not, but again, I will admit being wrong with proof.

--Carl
 
A few points:

1. No judge, state or federal, has the authority to sentence someone to "service in Somalia"! It just isn't in their ability. It's isn't even in the "Sentencing Guidlines". There is no way to even honor an agreement to do so. The old practice from the '40's of "Join the Army or go to jail!" is long over.

2. My own DD214 (the 1 July 79 version), signed in 1987, has both uppercase only and upper and lower case entries in both shaded and unshaded blocks.

3. Mick's own "truthful" military career, on it's own, is nothing to be ashamed of – Infantry MOS, Airborne School, RIP, etc. Even if it was a training accident that sent his attitude over the edge that got him busted and discharged, I still wouldn't hold much against him. This happened to lots of troops. I do have a problem with embelishment to the point of "out and out" lies.

4. Some have said that he "paid" for his felonious mistake. The sad fact is that one with a felony conviction can never fully pay for that mistake. The inability to vote, possess a firearm, and the heartache of having to explain to a potential employer are all continued punishments that follow the person around for life (unless they get expunged). Such is the "natural consequence" of felonious behavior. Not to mention that occasionally, carjackers end up dead at the hands of an armed owner who is not too keen on giving up his hard earned goods!

I applaud Spark for putting together so thorough a treatise on the subject. It looks like the other threads on the subject have about died since this thread was started today. I just picked this thread up recently – what momentum! I bet Lynn Thompson is glad the heat is off him!
 
Since you claim to be a vet, you tell me, how many folks are E-1 at separation from two years' active duty and are not dirtbags?
 
Hey Hardheart! I realize this forum isnt for techniques, etc. I have just read so much about this Strider guy on Bladeforums. I still dont know truth from fiction on this character. This subject only seems to bring out the bad and the ugly in some people, make people angry, and in general, create bad feelings. So, I get from reading this thread and other threads. I guess I was just trying to say, that it seems like this subject isn't worth writing about. I think that whatever someone writes about him will not change one person's opinion of him or his actions. What I have read tends to just confuse me on this guy. I extend a hearty congrats to the men and women in the armed forces who serve there country honorably, willingly, and with out complaint. If one person susposedly lies about there service, I dont confront him or her, I just unacquaint myself with said person. Simple.
 
Michelle said:
How come in your email to Kevin McClung (link below), you stated you were banned from several forums including "Badlands"?
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Can you point that out?

I followed your link, and what he actually said according to your own source was "[FONT=Verdana, Arial,stencil]Since I'm banned from searching [/FONT]on your forum, Badlands and Usual Suspects, this is difficult[FONT=Verdana, Arial,stencil].[/FONT]"

I saw nowhere in that link where Spark said "banned".
 
The Last Confederate said:
Can you point that out?

I followed your link, and what he actually said according to your own source was "[FONT=Verdana, Arial,stencil]Since I'm banned from searching [/FONT]on your forum, Badlands and Usual Suspects, this is difficult[FONT=Verdana, Arial,stencil].[/FONT]"

I saw nowhere in that link where Spark said "banned".
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I understood it the same way as Michelle. Have you ever heard of anyone being banned from just searching a forum?
 
bruce said:
A few points:

1. No judge, state or federal, has the authority to sentence someone to "service in Somalia"! It just isn't in their ability. It's isn't even in the "Sentencing Guidlines". There is no way to even honor an agreement to do so. The old practice from the '40's of "Join the Army or go to jail!" is long over.

2. My own DD214 (the 1 July 79 version), signed in 1987, has both uppercase only and upper and lower case entries in both shaded and unshaded blocks.

3. Mick's own "truthful" military career, on it's own, is nothing to be ashamed of – Infantry MOS, Airborne School, RIP, etc. Even if it was a training accident that sent his attitude over the edge that got him busted and discharged, I still wouldn't hold much against him. This happened to lots of troops. I do have a problem with embelishment to the point of "out and out" lies.

4. Some have said that he "paid" for his felonious mistake. The sad fact is that one with a felony conviction can never fully pay for that mistake. The inability to vote, possess a firearm, and the heartache of having to explain to a potential employer are all continued punishments that follow the person around for life (unless they get expunged). Such is the "natural consequence" of felonious behavior. Not to mention that occasionally, carjackers end up dead at the hands of an armed owner who is not too keen on giving up his hard earned goods!

I applaud Spark for putting together so thorough a treatise on the subject. It looks like the other threads on the subject have about died since this thread was started today. I just picked this thread up recently – what momentum! I bet Lynn Thompson is glad the heat is off him!
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1. I am not a lawyer, but I continue to read of judges that impose creative sentences. Yeah, they can be appealed, but if both sides are for it, it is unlikely.

2. Same with mine (also signed in 87), I do not know the person who typed the DD214 in question and was not there to watch, but it appears the Pentagon agrees with what has been posted.

3. That is what I am asking to see. One proof of an out and out lie. Should be easy. Not a string of this leads to this so this can't be true, but a proof.

4. I try not to hold that against others. I am not perfect either, but I try and judge people on what they are, not what the were. Sometimes this is the same thing, other times it is not.

--Carl
 
gee, there's something to moderate

wasso-it's cool with me, I just wanted to remind maybe everyone that's there's plenty more to BF than Strider talk. I hope you've looked at Dan Gray's intro thread, tons of good links. BR, eh? Just had drill in Carrville.
 
If Chuck is moderating, he moderated both sides. Duane hasn't been mentioned since Chuck suggested that this line of inquiry be dropped or restarted in another thread.
 
OilMan said:
I understood it the same way as Michelle. Have you ever heard of anyone being banned from just searching a forum?
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user privileges could be set to restrict searching on some forums. Spark himself would know a hell of a lot more about the ins and outs of board software, I'd wager. (not $500 :D)
 
Boats said:
Since you claim to be a vet, you tell me, how many folks are E-1 at separation from two years' active duty and are not dirtbags?
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I have known a few. I knew a really good guy on Oki that liked to get drunk on weekends. Had chewed out enough MP's and officers while drunk he was an E-1 till separation. Still a good guy.

Another example. Knew a guy in Oki that got drunk and passed out on a beach. Had a sunburn bad enough to be hospitalized. Charged with destruction of government property, lost rank and pay. Still a good guy.

First one, not a dirtbag, separated honorably as an E-1 after 4 or 6 yrs I believe (can't remember his original enlistment time). Second, he got rank back, but this could have easily had him separate as an E-1 if it would have happened within a year of seperation.

--Carl
 
Boats said:
Since you claim to be a vet, you tell me, how many folks are E-1 at separation from two years' active duty and are not dirtbags?
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I would be willing to bet that there have been lots of people that were court-martialed and/or stripped of rank and/or dishonorably discharged that weren't dirtbags.
 
OilMan said:
I understood it the same way as Michelle. Have you ever heard of anyone being banned from just searching a forum?
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What he probably meant wasn't able to sign up for an account so he wasn't able to search the forum. In another thread he had stated that for some reason he couldn't sign up for an account and Michelle got the problem solved for him.
 
Either way Strider knives are some of the best in the business,i do believe in second chances, obviously Strider has had a great impact in a positive way!!! theres no halo above my head have you looked above your own to see if there is one:eek:
 
My DD214 is from 26 May 1984 which is my separtion date. With regard to the typed print: There is not one lower case letter typed on the entire form.

The only lower case letters on the whole form are all there before anything is filled out by typing in the info and is in parenthethis in section, 1,11,12,13,14, and 24. Then there is a lower case "a" and "b" right after the number in the two sections desinated for sections 4 which reads, "4a. GRADE, RATE OR RANK, and, "4b. PAY GRADE.

Further: On both my wife's DD214 and mine it appears that the typewriter was set for upper case at section 1 and left there for every section all the way down the page.

If you look closely at the Strider approved DD214 section 1 and 2 do look as they should as does section 9. Section 5 for date of birth is unlike any I've seen though as most start out as mine and my wife's do with the year of birth first, month second and day last like so. 1957 Apr 1. In my experience this is how the service always dated everything but maybe the Army did things differently or as someone else said they let one slip out with some lower case in it because of someone green.

STR
 
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