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Microtech's ship w/religious info??
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For all the debate here, the "Microtech minister" sure got a lot of exposure for the cause! Those who were most offended got more people interested than if they just tossed the pamphlets and forgot about them.
(File under: God works in pretty obvious ways, sometimes, too.)
(File under: God works in pretty obvious ways, sometimes, too.)
Buck Knives has done since this since the beginning...there is NOTHING wrong with them telling you that Jesus Died for YOU>>> Its the truth....
What it really shows is that the guy cares about his customer....if he didnt he wouldnt care if you burned for eternity...
Sorry folks...Jesus said that, I'm just quoting...from the Bible I have right here next to my computer.
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What it really shows is that the guy cares about his customer....if he didnt he wouldnt care if you burned for eternity...
Sorry folks...Jesus said that, I'm just quoting...from the Bible I have right here next to my computer.
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Just a little parable:
Truth is like a great new knife. Once I get it I put up a post in GBU that someone is giving away great knives for free, I post in BDF to ask if anyone else has one, and in KR&T to tell you guys what a great deal I got and what a superb knife it is.
I may get flamed by someone who thinks theirs is better but at least I had the chance to let you know about something I thought worthwile. Some of you may get one because of the review, some of you may choose to keep your own. No matter what your choice, you are not harmed by the IMHO and may even appreciate the heads-up.
In short, we do the same thing with information we value all the time. Don't fault someone for caring enough to take the time to share with you something meaningful to them. That's probably why most of us spend some time here to start with.
Just a thought,
Jason
(Yeah, yeah I'm a pastor)
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Truth is like a great new knife. Once I get it I put up a post in GBU that someone is giving away great knives for free, I post in BDF to ask if anyone else has one, and in KR&T to tell you guys what a great deal I got and what a superb knife it is.
I may get flamed by someone who thinks theirs is better but at least I had the chance to let you know about something I thought worthwile. Some of you may get one because of the review, some of you may choose to keep your own. No matter what your choice, you are not harmed by the IMHO and may even appreciate the heads-up.
In short, we do the same thing with information we value all the time. Don't fault someone for caring enough to take the time to share with you something meaningful to them. That's probably why most of us spend some time here to start with.
Just a thought,
Jason
(Yeah, yeah I'm a pastor)
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I would like to restate that I have no problem with Microtech sending out religious tracts with their products. It is their company and they can do what they want with their products. Individual consumers can also do what they want with their money. If someone found the tracts offensive and returned them, so what? It's their business. Just like handing out tracts is that person's business. The only thing I said is that I think it is better that an evangelical indentify him or herself as such. For instance, the guy who runs Blade-Tech is very upfront about his Christianity, although I am not a conservative Christian, I had no problem ordering a Spyderco Mouse from him. I just think that if folks are going to share their beliefs, they should do it upfront and not after money has been exchanged.
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I don't buy Buck Knives, but that's simply because I don't care for them, and this has nothing to do with Mr. Buck's religious preferences. I buy MT's and Strider's and Emerson's and various customs.
I don't much care to hear about any Knifemakers religious preferences any more than I'd care to hear about their sex lives or their preference for a particular brand of underwear. All I care about is the quality of any given knife and how reliably that knife will serve my purposes.
I run a business, and business is business. I don't offer my customers moral advice. I don't attempt to impose my choices upon them. In fact, I'd prefer NOT to have professional relationships with anyone who is so emotionally/spiritually weak that they need advice from me about anything other than how my business can benefit them professionally. However, I do find it interesting when people think quite differently than I do, which is why I start threads such as this. Debate is healthy. Individual viewpoints are diverse. If a Knifemaker wants to quote scripture, or even pass around the poison Kool-aid, that's up to him; I'm not obligated to drink it, but I'll be glad to stick around and observe those who do. I'll also be more than happy to buy a knife from him IF it's good enough because, as I said, business is business.
As a side not,...IF Marfione is the one authorizing the distribution of these tracts,..you will soon realize that these tracts are not free. www.chick.com has the prices for these tracts. Can you help but to wonder about the recent MT price increases? How much of your hard earned knife dollar is going towards these religious tracts, along with any other religious "donations" that might go along with "spreading the word"? I don't really care, but some of you might. I'm happy with my MT Knives. The rest of this is merely bonus entertainment.
Actually, I wish that whoever is promoting this religious crusade would just go public with it; Maybe then I could figure out a way to claim the money that I spend on MT knives as "religious contributions" on my taxes.
Oh, and incidentally, I can't help but wonder why my new MT's didn't come with the sheathes that the included directions clearly state should be included with the knives. Perhaps someone felt that I needed a good dose of religion more than I needed a sheath? Perhaps this was merely a case of Divine Intervention, or possibly a miracle of sorts? Heaven knows.
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I don't much care to hear about any Knifemakers religious preferences any more than I'd care to hear about their sex lives or their preference for a particular brand of underwear. All I care about is the quality of any given knife and how reliably that knife will serve my purposes.
I run a business, and business is business. I don't offer my customers moral advice. I don't attempt to impose my choices upon them. In fact, I'd prefer NOT to have professional relationships with anyone who is so emotionally/spiritually weak that they need advice from me about anything other than how my business can benefit them professionally. However, I do find it interesting when people think quite differently than I do, which is why I start threads such as this. Debate is healthy. Individual viewpoints are diverse. If a Knifemaker wants to quote scripture, or even pass around the poison Kool-aid, that's up to him; I'm not obligated to drink it, but I'll be glad to stick around and observe those who do. I'll also be more than happy to buy a knife from him IF it's good enough because, as I said, business is business.
As a side not,...IF Marfione is the one authorizing the distribution of these tracts,..you will soon realize that these tracts are not free. www.chick.com has the prices for these tracts. Can you help but to wonder about the recent MT price increases? How much of your hard earned knife dollar is going towards these religious tracts, along with any other religious "donations" that might go along with "spreading the word"? I don't really care, but some of you might. I'm happy with my MT Knives. The rest of this is merely bonus entertainment.
Actually, I wish that whoever is promoting this religious crusade would just go public with it; Maybe then I could figure out a way to claim the money that I spend on MT knives as "religious contributions" on my taxes.
Oh, and incidentally, I can't help but wonder why my new MT's didn't come with the sheathes that the included directions clearly state should be included with the knives. Perhaps someone felt that I needed a good dose of religion more than I needed a sheath? Perhaps this was merely a case of Divine Intervention, or possibly a miracle of sorts? Heaven knows.
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Well, Bob, according to the U.S. Constitution, politics and religion are clearly seperate issues, so why on earth should this thread be moved to the Political Arena?
I tellya what,...I have two "Chick religous tracts" here that I'll gladly trade for two Microtech sheathes. So maybe we should now have this thread moved to the For Sale/Trade Forum? Or maybe we can get a moderator to delete this thread entirely because it's simply too controversial for some people? Yeah, and then we'll burn some books too, okay?? And then maybe some Led Zeppelin albums too. Good grief!
If you go back to my original post at the top of this thread, perhaps you'll notice that I was merely inquiring as to whether others have recieved these tracts with their MT Knives. As my friend John Hollister stated earlier, I too thought that perhaps this was some sort of isolated joke, but seemingly it's not isolated, although it still maintains a certain amount of joke status amongst those who are able to think for themselves.
If you don't like this thread then maybe you should heed the advice of those before you; "If you don't like it then don't read it"., and furthermore why would you bother posting here at all? E-mail a moderator if you want this thread moved. Have it deleted for all I care. The point has been made, and now it's beyond contorted and beaten to death. It seems to be human nature to do so. So be it.
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I tellya what,...I have two "Chick religous tracts" here that I'll gladly trade for two Microtech sheathes. So maybe we should now have this thread moved to the For Sale/Trade Forum? Or maybe we can get a moderator to delete this thread entirely because it's simply too controversial for some people? Yeah, and then we'll burn some books too, okay?? And then maybe some Led Zeppelin albums too. Good grief!
If you go back to my original post at the top of this thread, perhaps you'll notice that I was merely inquiring as to whether others have recieved these tracts with their MT Knives. As my friend John Hollister stated earlier, I too thought that perhaps this was some sort of isolated joke, but seemingly it's not isolated, although it still maintains a certain amount of joke status amongst those who are able to think for themselves.
If you don't like this thread then maybe you should heed the advice of those before you; "If you don't like it then don't read it"., and furthermore why would you bother posting here at all? E-mail a moderator if you want this thread moved. Have it deleted for all I care. The point has been made, and now it's beyond contorted and beaten to death. It seems to be human nature to do so. So be it.
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Eric, Eric, Eric,
Reading your post cracks me up.
Your attempt to relate scripture and 'poision Kool-aid' is weak at best.
And to make the suggestion that MT had a price increase to pay for the tracts is hilarious.Are you feeling OK?
But the best one is this.....You talk about claiming "religious contributions" on your taxes. Why would you claim something you do not seem to believe in? Just to save money???
You talk about others being weak..... are your convictions so weak that they can be swayed that easily by the almighty dollar????
You can't have it both ways Eric, which is it? Be man enough to stick w/ your own convictions.
Have you put your own eyes out w/ your own "best toys"????????
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Reading your post cracks me up.
Your attempt to relate scripture and 'poision Kool-aid' is weak at best.
And to make the suggestion that MT had a price increase to pay for the tracts is hilarious.Are you feeling OK?
But the best one is this.....You talk about claiming "religious contributions" on your taxes. Why would you claim something you do not seem to believe in? Just to save money???
You talk about others being weak..... are your convictions so weak that they can be swayed that easily by the almighty dollar????
You can't have it both ways Eric, which is it? Be man enough to stick w/ your own convictions.
Have you put your own eyes out w/ your own "best toys"????????
Very sincerely,
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maybe in the next round of Microtechs they will place scans of pics of Microtech babes topless?? Just a suggestion
Hey, I think it's GREAT! I'm so sick of everything being so "politically correct". It's even infected the knife and gun world. I applaud someone that has another point of view and doesn't "wuss out" and proclaims it. I was a flaming liberal in my youth because I thought conservatives and their ilk only allowed one way of thinking. Boy, did I wake up! Liberal means being open to all different viewpoints and man, has that changed 180 degrees nowadays! As teacher and Tom said, Buck has been proclaiming their faith in God and Christ for many years. Good for them and good for anyone that proclaims anything anti-politically correct!
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Teacher, I believe you when you say that you're cracked up, but since I'm so concerned about your well-being, perhaps you should look into a good treatment center. Crack kills.<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by teacher:
Eric, Eric, Eric,
Reading your post cracks me up.</font>
Originally posted by teacher:"Your attempt to relate scripture and 'poision Kool-aid' is weak at best."
Thank you for your meaningful input. Does that mean that I've failed the course, Teacher? Sarcasm is a sport. If you can't play the game, then feel free to be a spectator.
Originally posted by teacher:"And to make the suggestion that MT had a price increase to pay for the tracts is hilarious.Are you feeling OK?"
Yes, I feel fine, but thanks for asking. IF MT buys these tracts, where does the money come from? It comes from selling knives. MT's customers buy these knives. The tracts are included with these knives. These tracts cost money. The customer is therefore buying these tracts. Have we come full circle now? I believe so.
Originally posted by teacher:"But the best one is this.....You talk about claiming "religious contributions" on your taxes. Why would you claim something you do not seem to believe in? Just to save money???"
Let's see,...there's an intentional element of sarcasm to my posts; I apologize if this continues to confuse you.
When did I state that I don't believe in religion? Actually, I don't believe in the type of religion that these "tracts" are attempting to propagate, but that's besides the fact. I believe in my beliefs, and God is part of my beliefs, but it's absolutely not the God being portrayed in these tracts.
Originally posted by teacher:"You talk about others being weak..... are your convictions so weak that they can be swayed that easily by the almighty dollar????"
Quite the contrary; I stated that I prefer NOT to deal professionally with people who can't differentiate between business and personal issues. In other words, I'm not going to babysit someone's emotional hang-ups just because they have money to spend.
Originally posted by teacher:"You can't have it both ways Eric, which is it? Be man enough to stick w/ your own convictions."
"Convictions" implies static. No, my beliefs aren't entirely static. This is essential in order to remain open-minded, as opposed to simply believing everything that you are told.
Originally posted by teacher:"Have you put your own eyes out w/ your own "best toys"????????
In this particular sentence it is unneccessary to use the word "own" twice. What exactly do you teach anyway? Bible school?
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I am sitting here, shaking my head in disbelief.
In this world, there are so many things to hate and despise that deserve to be hated and despised.
Quite frankly, Christianity is not really one of them. Christianity is far down on the list of things to hate, it is not even in the Top 100.
Pedophiles, murderers, whatever, you get the idea.
It is silly to be offended by this!
I cannot believe this really.
Some people are ACTING like they just received a pamphlet on NAMBLA in their shipping box!
Damn people, get a grip!
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And the same goes for a knife...
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Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine. ~Stipe
In this world, there are so many things to hate and despise that deserve to be hated and despised.
Quite frankly, Christianity is not really one of them. Christianity is far down on the list of things to hate, it is not even in the Top 100.
Pedophiles, murderers, whatever, you get the idea.
It is silly to be offended by this!
I cannot believe this really.
Some people are ACTING like they just received a pamphlet on NAMBLA in their shipping box!
Damn people, get a grip!
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"You are no more armed because you are wearing a pistol than you are a musician because you own a guitar." ~Jeff Cooper
And the same goes for a knife...
And, I'm a Usual Suspect.
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline. It's the end of the world as we know it...and I feel fine. ~Stipe
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We live in a double standard society. We get bent out of shape if a religious tract is sent in a package with our knives. But, we don't mind working for, spending, or carrying any of the U.S. currency that is stamped "In God We Trust". Don't we have anything better to do? If the subject of "God" makes you upset or angry and you want to rid yourself of anything that has "God" written on it, then please email me. I will send you my mailing address and you can kindly send me any U.S. currency you don't want.
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I'm not one to jump into someone elses debate. However, I just wanted to add that I pass out thousands of gospel tracts every year. I prefer to do it face to face. I see no threat in the Chick tracts included in the shipping boxes other than the wasted money when someone simply shreds it.
In fact just today I was almost mugged by a group of kids wanting the Chick tracts I had brought for them.
You see the sad state of the U.S.A. is that most don't give a rats fat patoot about anyone else and become suspicious and offensive when someone shows that they care for them. What each of us really want is for someone to genuinely care about us and want the best for us.
Most will never see what I see. But to see 1 life turned from suicide, or 1 marriage salvaged, or 1 young man brought back from a life of dope and drunkeness just because I cared. Not necessarily just because I brought the gospel message to them, but I cared enough to share with them the power, peace, and presence of God in my life and offered myself to them to help them find the same.
IMHO all a gospel tract is saying is "I care for you". Take it or leave it.
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For the Word of God is...sharper than any two edged sword.
In fact just today I was almost mugged by a group of kids wanting the Chick tracts I had brought for them.
You see the sad state of the U.S.A. is that most don't give a rats fat patoot about anyone else and become suspicious and offensive when someone shows that they care for them. What each of us really want is for someone to genuinely care about us and want the best for us.
Most will never see what I see. But to see 1 life turned from suicide, or 1 marriage salvaged, or 1 young man brought back from a life of dope and drunkeness just because I cared. Not necessarily just because I brought the gospel message to them, but I cared enough to share with them the power, peace, and presence of God in my life and offered myself to them to help them find the same.
IMHO all a gospel tract is saying is "I care for you". Take it or leave it.
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Mondt Custom Knives
For the Word of God is...sharper than any two edged sword.
I want more Microtech knives now
I think it is fine that they are putting these tracts in the box with the knife. I wish more knife manufacturers/makers would do this. I love my Spyderco Mouse with the Christian fish symbol on it, its one of my favorites. I am proud to be a Christian! Now go to bed so you can get up and go to church in the morning
michael
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"For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword."
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I think it is fine that they are putting these tracts in the box with the knife. I wish more knife manufacturers/makers would do this. I love my Spyderco Mouse with the Christian fish symbol on it, its one of my favorites. I am proud to be a Christian! Now go to bed so you can get up and go to church in the morning
michael
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"For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword."
Heb. 4:12
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Its an Emerson thing. You wouldn't understand.
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Doug, I hear you. Been there and I appreciate what you do. Be advised you're being prayerfully supported now.
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