Mixup corrected by - liberty cap - New Question 12/31/10

Several people here seem to feel it's aok to jump on a member who's only fault was to buy from a seller. When he didnt get what he paid for and several emails went unanswered for over a week, he came here to seek advice, just as many of you have done in the past. I see no fault on him for asking questions or not wanting to pay even $5 out of his own pocket for something that was not his fault in the least.

One must admit that the buyer was left with little recourse in this transaction by the seller. That was why i let the buyer know what his only options were. When one checks the sellers sales and finds that much of the info contained in his sales (to the point that this sale no longer even existed) has been edited out, things start looking a bit fishy. Especially when one notices that there is no other participation on this site by this seller other than his sales threads. We have had scammers play this same game. When the buyer stated he had not recieved the refund payment that the seller stated he sent ( because the seller again failed to communicate, ie: when the payment would arrive), i sent a pm with a link to that post and asked if he sent it to the correct person and advised him that his reputation and possibly membership were on the line. I advised him that he should take care to be sure things were sent properly. Much as he wants to believe, i did not jump on him or threaten him. When he responded that i was impugning his internet honor by telling the OP to contact the authorities, I explained that his choice of actions in this matter were the cause and that he possibly should reevaluate how he is doing business and communicate better. As much as the seller would like to believe his only fault was to send the wrong package, he needs to accept the fact that this matter is entirely his fault, including the embarrassment.

It is not required that someone purchase a paid membership to buy things here. It is only required to sell. Noone should be admonished into buying a membership, that is not how this place works.
 
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Karda, very well put.
Thank you, sir! Even in a world of convoluted thinking and actions, i try my best to think and do what is right. Sometimes it even works. :)

Credit is to be given to the seller for standing up and making things right, however the deal went down and i wish both parties the best of luck in this new year.
 
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I accepted full responsibilty for this situation. How many people would refund money without receiving the knife back? When you send me a PM that says "I hope you did'nt mistakenly refund the buyer who actually got the blackmoor dirk.
You need to check these things carefully and make sure what you're doing because your integrity,reputation and possibly your membership could be on the line"
after I notified AstralPlane that the refund was sent, yea in my mind it's threating and unwarranted as I was trying to fix my mistake. I did not know about cleaning up the sales, and I said that in prior post. I thought this sale was a done deal, a mistake, but unintentional to be sure. That is one reason why I saw fit to send a refund prior to having the item returned. As for the PM being opened for both buyer and seller, it is a good idea. Your original post was based on the assumption that I was not responding to emails, again I say I did not receive those emails. PM would have helped. It was a private message from Esav that started the return process. I am obviously not going to win with you even though you know my feedback prior to this has been postive.

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I accepted full responsibilty for this situation. How many people would refund money without receiving the knife back? When you send me a PM that says "I hope you did'nt mistakenly refund the buyer who actually got the blackmoor dirk.

You need to check these things carefully and make sure what you're doing because your integrity,reputation and possibly your membership could be on the line" after I notified AstralPlane that the refund was sent, yea in my mind it's threating and unwarranted as I was trying to fix my mistake. I did not know about cleaning up the sales, and I said that in prior post. I thought this sale was a done deal, a mistake, but unintentional to be sure. That is one reason why I saw fit to send a refund prior to having the item returned. As for the PM being opened for both buyer and seller, it is a good idea. Your original post was based on the assumption that I was not responding to emails, again I say I did not receive those emails. PM would have helped. It was a private message from Esav that started the return process. I am obviously not going to win with you even though you know my feedback prior to this has been postive.



Liberty Cap

PM's are not allowed for unpaid members, sorry but that is just how things are.

I sent you that pm at 4:02 am on 12/29, after AP had stated he had not recieved his refund. You responded in the thread that you finally sent a copy of the refund to him at 9:10 pm on 12/29, only then did he know when he would recieve his refund. Lets keep your facts straight. Again, how was my PM threatening or unwarranted? It still seems odd to me that your email seems to be working fine except for the several instances where the buyer tried to contact you about your mistake.
 
Paypal sent a notice to AP when I issued the refund. Her post said the money had not posted to her account. I told you I had never done a refund before. It is apparently not immediate, and it did not give a date, at that time, of when it would post. My facts are straight. And here you go making assumptions again...

It still seems odd to me that your email seems to be working fine except for the several instances where the buyer tried to contact you about your mistake. AP said she sent two emails, not several. Straight facts?

Karda says: I sent you that pm at 4:02 am on 12/29, after AP had stated he had not recieved his refund. You responded in the thread that you finally sent a copy of the refund to him at 9:10 pm on 12/29, only then did he know when he would recieve his refund. Lets keep your facts straight.

I sent this post below at 6:47 AM on 12/29/10. AP never said she didnt get notification, she said she had still not received her refund. I also sent a copy of the transaction ID which Paypal should have sent to her, she never confirmed yea or nay. Two different things.

I just checked Paypal. It shows refund pending until Dec 31st. I guess it takes time to move money. I have never done a refund before. I have also emailed you the transaction ID for the refund. Let me know that you receive it.

Thanks,
Liberty Cap


My email to AP worked fine when I contacted her, so maybe it was a glitch. Does not matter at this point. Yea, it's threating when you allude to revoking my membership while I am in the middle of fixing the situation and you can see I am trying to fix it. I fixed my mistake and you handled your moderator duties poorly. I have also requested that AP close this thread. I know you will probably get the last word...so thanks for all of the postive karma.

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Email mixups happen. Best way to contact someone here if you can't PM is to send a VM, which is open to everyone and has the advantage of seeing that it's been received yourself.

In my opinion, LC handled this to the best of his ability as soon as he was aware of it, and there's no reason to doubt his integrity at all.

LC, AstralPlane can't close the thread as a registered user. She can send a note or report the post to Mike G, glockmann, or a super mod, and ask them to do it though.
 
Thanks for your response. Perhaps she will have a moderator close the thread.

Liberty Cap



Email mixups happen. Best way to contact someone here if you can't PM is to send a VM, which is open to everyone and has the advantage of seeing that it's been received yourself.

In my opinion, LC handled this to the best of his ability as soon as he was aware of it, and there's no reason to doubt his integrity at all.

LC, AstralPlane can't close the thread as a registered user. She can send a note or report the post to Mike G, glockmann, or a super mod, and ask them to do it though.
 
Paypal sent a notice to AP when I issued the refund. Her post said the money had not posted to her account. I told you I had never done a refund before. It is apparently not immediate, and it did not give a date, at that time, of when it would post. My facts are straight. And here you go making assumptions again...

It still seems odd to me that your email seems to be working fine except for the several instances where the buyer tried to contact you about your mistake. AP said she sent two emails, not several. Straight facts?

Karda says: I sent you that pm at 4:02 am on 12/29, after AP had stated he had not recieved his refund. You responded in the thread that you finally sent a copy of the refund to him at 9:10 pm on 12/29, only then did he know when he would recieve his refund. Lets keep your facts straight.

I sent this post below at 6:47 AM on 12/29/10. AP never said she didnt get notification, she said she had still not received her refund. I also sent a copy of the transaction ID which Paypal should have sent to her, she never confirmed yea or nay. Two different things.

I just checked Paypal. It shows refund pending until Dec 31st. I guess it takes time to move money. I have never done a refund before. I have also emailed you the transaction ID for the refund. Let me know that you receive it.

Thanks,
Liberty Cap

My email to AP worked fine when I contacted her, so maybe it was a glitch. Does not matter at this point. Yea, it's threating when you allude to revoking my membership while I am in the middle of fixing the situation and you can see I am trying to fix it. I fixed my mistake and you handled your moderator duties poorly. I have also requested that AP close this thread. I know you will probably get the last word...so thanks for all of the postive karma.

Liberty Cap

Who has handled what poorly?
That is quite clear.
 
Hey guys, let's not get in a beef about this. It seems everything is working out so can we leave it at that? Liberty cap, please keep us posted on the status of this transaction :).
 
In my opinion, LC handled this to the best of his ability as soon as he was aware of it, and there's no reason to doubt his integrity at all..[/QUOTE]

I agree.

Paul
 
Knives have been returned. Hate this mix up happened, again my fault. Thanks for all of the positive comments. :thumbup:

Liberty Cap
 
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