Modern GEC Hybrid Line

ALLHSS said:
This is that tone I was talking about that got me in trouble, which I then realized was a silly way for me to go about things.


You should just check out Jared Oeser or one of the several custom makers who use modern materials, order an SFO run, or start your own production company.
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My guess is that he'll do none of those things and continue to show his rear end in this thread.

Edit: My apologies to the mods. I don't need to make a tough job any tougher.
 
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If we could just see some more stainless from GEC it would warm the cockles of my black little heart. For instance the new 83 little lockback would be just dandy in 440c and the perfect compliment to my Missouri Trader in GEC trim. Till then the new CSC I got from Sketch will tide me over. D2 and red micarta on a handy little lockback. :D
 
ATwistedStaple said:
Oh calm down will you? He was just looking for clarification.
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You have gotten more answers here in Traditional and it's usually a calm discussion in this sub-forum. We have Knarfeng (and Peregrin) to thank for that.

I'll state, as I did in General, that one thing that may cause some quick reactions to modern traditionals is the slippery slope. You want modern materials, I want a screw pivot, some want modern steels, some even want one hand opening. Soon you have a very non-traditional knife.

So this one is a bit difficult for the mods. They do a great job. I actually like modern traditional discussion but you have to tiptoe through it a bit.
 
Hopefully the reason for having a Traditional sub forum has been clarified.
Twistedstaple you picked a tough venue to float this interesting and admirable idea of yours.
Whilst the negative has been expressed at various levels -ranging from disinterest to dislike -there have been glimpses of innovation and positivity as well.

what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger and hopefully wiser.
Generally speaking I think your idea got short shrift "on the porch". With that in mind you also have some new-chrome plated add-ons for it to take away free of charge.
At your leisure-and not that I want you to go .
Just remember-you are talking (in a modern computery way) to lots of old geezers and me.:p:thumbup:
 
Oh, East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat; - RK

I tried an altered version of the OP's idea over in Spydie land, suggesting they make a traditional with a hole in the handle. The consensus from BF was "har, har, har". That said , I think his idea is wonderful.
 
A couple things went wrong with the OP's first post, starting with Carbon Fiber and GEC.
So when I read the OP's post I knew he was headed for possible trouble.

This sub forum is dominated by folks who like traditional knives. Don't get me wrong, that's a not a bad thing. Knives built with traditional methods and materials, with what they consider a traditional steel aka 1095. Some even sharpen on the bottom of a coffee cup. An act for the record, that I consider a sinful thing to do to a perfectly good knife.

GEC is a current favorite here, with a business model of creating quality traditional knives with traditional methods and materials. So even the suggestion of GEC working with G10, Glass Fiber, Carbon Fiber, M390, S35VN, etc, is going generate negative reactions from folks.

The OP had an idea, a little off base with the graphite and titanium but still an idea. No different than Ford building Lincoln or Toyota building Lexus. I don't think I would want to see a titanium barlow though, that would just not be right.

GEC has a niche market of quality traditionally built knives. It's a very expensive way to build knives, especially these days. Over time those labor & material costs will rise and their market will shrink. $70 to $200 for a 1095 bladed knife is a lot of money.
Those factors alone may/will force GEC to evolve or die, like so many knife makers of the past.
There's a lot of kids growing up on powered steel, assisted, flippy, overbuilt knives today. When they get tired of such silliness and start looking at a more practical knife. A CPM154 traditional built with modern machinery to modern tolerances, might be the ticket that keeps traditional knives going for another 100 years.

Knives evolve they always have and they always will.
Steel evolves it always has and always will.
Manufacturing methods evolve they always have and always will.
What doesn't evolve dies.
 
"Some even sharpen on the bottom of a coffee cup. An act for the record, that I consider a sinful thing to do to a perfectly good knife." If you need a sharpknife and you don't have a stone handy a coffee cup works well enough, a car windows upper edge works even better. A smooth rock,,, Oh ya, that's a stone :D
I take very good care of my knives and have sharpened them on a coffee cup.Recently I sharpened my new farmers jacks on a coffee cup, came out wicked sharp, why do you consider it a sinful thing?
Regards

Robin
 
There are so many places to get knives with the so-called "sophisticated" steels. If that is what you want in a knife, I suggest going to those suppliers.
I think the original proposal is completely missing the point here!
I want my duck to quack like a duck!
 
KBA said:
Is there still room for discussion in this thread? Just had to ask.
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It's been a pretty large snowball downwards Brett.

To the OP, if this endeavor doesn't work out, there are a large list of custom makers who deal in what you're looking for. I'll drop you a line via PM.

ATwistedStaple said:
A guy can't ask for clarification and use a Spydie as an example but this comment is ok? My problem with the moderator stands.
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Mods are here to moderate and enforce the rules as listed in the stickies, forum members are here to contribute, share and learn. It's highly suggested to always brush up on the rules before. Responding to such comment in this tone and picking a bone with the mods is exactly what that poster was talking about. Sometimes it's better just to take the high road.
 
ATwistedStaple said:
A guy can't ask for clarification and use a Spydie as an example but this comment is ok? My problem with the moderator stands.
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We have a tech support forum for complaints. Don't gripe in the discussion forums. Stay on topic or don't post or in other words, knock it off.
 
Don't you think it's odd that everybody drools over Jared Oeser's knives but attack the OP for asking for a production version?

I'm all for it. I think they'd sell if produced by GEC, since they already have such a great reputation. Most people here aren't going to buy a Cold Steel version because of their not so great reputation.

Just my thoughts.
 
trey999 said:
Don't you think it's odd that everybody drools over Jared Oeser's knives but attack the OP for asking for a production version?

I'm all for it. I think they'd sell if produced by GEC, since they already have such a great reputation. Most people here aren't going to buy a Cold Steel version because of their not so great reputation.

Just my thoughts.
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Please review Post #73.
 
trey999 said:
Don't you think it's odd that everybody drools over Jared Oeser's knives but attack the OP for asking for a production version?

I'm all for it. I think they'd sell if produced by GEC, since they already have such a great reputation. Most people here aren't going to buy a Cold Steel version because of their not so great reputation.

Just my thoughts.
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"everybody" didn't think modern materials was a bad idea. It's not even a new idea. But he hasn't really thought this through and come up with a plan. And the expectations of what manufacturers would or should do is a bit unrealistic.
 
I like Jared's knives for what they are - interesting, well-made and rare!
I'd like them a lot less if they were a dime a dozen!!
 
ATwistedStaple said:
A guy can't ask for clarification and use a Spydie as an example but this comment is ok? My problem with the moderator stands.
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Regarding the moderation, I don't think you're getting it.

On topic though, a company deciding to produce a line of "traditional" knives with modern/synthetic handles would probably end up selling a few knives but also find themselves neither fish nor fowl on the open market. If there was such pent up demand for the knives you're requesting, then the custom folks would be making a lot more of them and then a company would do a collab that would be wildly successful. Soon after, your production line would exist. As it is, I just don't think the demand is there. If you figure out how to build up the demand, you'll get your product.
 
This thread went a funny direction.

For my part, I thought it was an interesting idea. I knew he was barking up the wrong tree by thinking we could somehow petition GEC to change their business model. However, I am sure that a line of quality, factory produced knives in traditional patterns and modern steels and handle materials would find interested buyers, and that it is a niche currently un-served or underserved by the knife industry.

So in the first post, where he was asking "what do we think?" my only answer was "I would not be interested in such a knife." Not that I am against the idea, just not something I want to buy at this point in my knife-buying career.

My second post was to suggest that there might be other makers (Canal Street was my thought) who might consider his ideas.

At no time did I "not get" what he was looking for - a particular style of knife that is not currently produced, at reasonable price, made by a quality producer. He just chose to ask about it in a place where those particular design characteristics are not what most participants want.
 
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