Modern Traditionals....;)

Actually it seems almost clear cut, this is the Traditional section of the forum and probably should be left as such.

Granted there are some on the border flavors that might be considered as traditional but we know that they aren’t.

I’d say close the thread and get back on track and avoid any hurt feelings.

G2
 
It's unlikely that a new sub-forum will be created. If you really want to lobby for one post your thoughts in the "Tech Support" sub-forum. There's a "General Knife Discussion" sub-forum where you can post pretty much any knife you like. There's also a "Custom Knife" sub-forum where handmade knives of any category can be posted.

This sub-forum was created before my time for a specific category of knives. It's defined in the guidelines. Frank and I have tried to maintain that while still allowing some leeway, such as the "Modern Traditional" Thread and the "Traditional and Modern Pairings" thread. You'll notice that knives with some more modern touches are posted in the "What are you Carrying today" thread occasionally. They are rarely if ever commented on or moved by the mods, unless they are way over the line and obviously modern (liner lock, thumbstud etc). It's the new threads that start about knives that don't fall within the guidelines, that prompt the move or comment. If that doesn't make folks happy then we can close those two "Modern" threads and spend our days moving posts to General Knife Discussion. Problem solved.

You'll rarely find anyone getting an official warning for posting the wrong kind of knife here. We understand there are gray areas and it's a fine line. Unfortunately Frank and I are charged with making those calls. We've both been doing this for years now, and although we occasionally get it wrong, we're pretty consistent. Spend some time here and you'll figure it out.
Thanks for reading.
knarfeng knarfeng
 
I agree 100% with everything Gary wrote.

This is the traditional forum. When it was started some 15 years ago, Camillus and Schrade were both in business with factories here in the US; there was no GEC; most "traditional" knives made in China were not very well made; the modern knife making companies just made modern one-hand-opening knives.

Times change.

Now, sadly, Camillus and Schrade are just trade names, instead of companies.
Now there is a GEC and some have complained that some of the GEC threads are on buying instead of just discussing the knives.
Now there are some very nice, very traditional knives made in China. We have a couple of ongoing threads about them.
Now a number of companies are venturing into the slipjoint realm. We have a couple of threads about them, too. We do our best to limit slipjoints that are not really traditional to those two threads. Sometimes some slip by.

The Traditional Forum maintains its focus on traditional knives and patterns. At the same time, we bend a bit with the winds of change.
"The wind does not break a tree that bends" - African proverb

Gary and I don't moderate quite the way that Gus and Elliott did. Which doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference because there were several attempts to oust them because of their moderation techniques. I was here. I remember. So we have no expectation that everyone will agree with everything we do.

If you don't like the topic, stay out of that thread. Not every thread has to be of interest to every reader.
 
"The Traditional Forum maintains its focus on traditional knives and patterns. At the same time, we bend a bit with the winds of change." from knarfeng knarfeng

I, for one, am completely fine with this. Just realizing that I have misunderstood this particular thread title. I though that it implied - or allowed for - more modern than traditional though still discussing knives that are very much in the traditional camp - no liner locks, pocket clips etc. I think I get it now o_O :) and will do my part to comply. Though I think the use of torx screws for assembly is still debatable - I won't continue adding to the noise.

On the whole - the thread title does lend itself to some GRAY area interpretations.

Ray



 
I follow some simple guidelines...
If it's a no-doubt traditional, I post it in whatever thread i think is appropriate.
If it has a modern assembly (torx screws etc.), I will post it here in this thread.
If it's modern, I will pose it next to a traditional and post it in the modern pair thread.
Seems simple enough and I don't have to worry about creating more work for the mods.
 
knarfeng said:
I agree 100% with everything Gary wrote

Times change.

Now, sadly, Camillus and Schrade are just trade names, instead of companies.
Now there is a GEC...

The Traditional Forum maintains its focus on traditional knives and patterns. At the same time, we bend a bit with the winds of change.
"The wind does not break a free that bends," --- African proverb.

If you don't like the topic, stay out of that thread. Not every thread has to be of interest to every reader.
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Thank you Frank and Gary for responding.
I have often thought what a job it must be to read every post here. I would tire of it in a week's time, so my respect and gratitude to you both.

As you say, times change. Companies come and go, etc.
What prompted my desire for a new category is in the same vein.
We have modern traditionals appearing. This is causing conflict as you surely have seen. I'm suggesting we become more proactive than reactive. These modern trads are being called this by retailers. The industry recognizes the trend. I just thought why continue to navigate conflict. Create a sanctioned space. It's probably not a passing fad. Companies are finding new designs and will continue to do so. Mike of CK probably isn't going to cease offering new traditional based designs.

The purpose of this platform is to share and discuss. To let others know what breezes are blowing in the knife world.

You have both explained that we have a couple threads here in Traditional where modern trads get displayed. That's great. But I am arguing it is not working that well. Folks are free to openly poo-poo them, and some comments are unwelcome. Some want the wind to blow elsewhere. They're not as you say "staying out of the thread." Nor are they being told to after poo-pooing a post. It just doesn't seem to be working that well; it can make your jobs more difficult.

Anyway, I've made my point. Thanks again for the dialogue and for what you do.
 
knarfeng said:
If you don't like the topic, stay out of that thread. Not every thread has to be of interest to every reader.
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Exactly. There are many threads that I have no interest and don't read or follow. I think the moderators do a great job in the traditionals forum and this particular thread. I think this category is such a niche area that a dedicated sub forum would die. I have no problem with allowing these two threads to continue as is under our fine moderators.

My only modern traditional:

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Thanks Rick, it's nice to have them appreciated by one with such discriminating taste as yourself. All three are of quality second to none and came very, very sharp! :eek::);)
Wow! Look what Dave ( dc50 dc50 ) just posted, very cool :cool: Dave :thumbsup::thumbsup: !!!
 
redsparrow said:
Jason, I don't recognize your post, can you tell us about it? Length, maker, materials etc., thanks.
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Sure, that is the Birdy, a mid-tech build by French knife maker Sacha Thiel. It's based off the Native pattern with permission from Jared Oeser. Blade steel in M390 and spring is 420 AISI. 6al4v Titanium liners and canvas micarta covers. Closed length is 4" but feels much smaller in hand due to the very slim profile. The fit and finish on these is perfect! Every part is perfectly radius'd so there are no sharp edges and make for a neat imo stacking effect on the backspring. You can see the seams but you cannot feel them at all. If ordering direct from Sacha they can be had with either stonewashed or satin finished blades. Cover choices are stonewashed titanium, green canvas micarta and black G10. My first one was all stonewashed with titanium covers but I sold it to get this satin finished micarta and couldn't be happier. Hope this helps. :)
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Signalprick said:
Sure, that is the Birdy, a mid-tech build by French knife maker Sacha Thiel. It's based off the Native pattern with permission from Jared Oeser. Blade steel in M390 and spring is 420 AISI. 6al4v Titanium liners and canvas micarta covers. Closed length is 4" but feels much smaller in hand due to the very slim profile. The fit and finish on these is perfect! Every part is perfectly radius'd so there are no sharp edges and make for a neat imo stacking effect on the backspring. You can see the seams but you cannot feel them at all. If ordering direct from Sacha they can be had with either stonewashed or satin finished blades. Cover choices are stonewashed titanium, green canvas micarta and black G10. My first one was all stonewashed with titanium covers but I sold it to get this satin finished micarta and couldn't be happier. Hope this helps. :)
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That totally helps Jason, thank you. You sure do find some interesting cutlery. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
I like it a lot and now a Birdy has flown to the top of my short list.;):)
 
redsparrow said:
That totally helps Jason, thank you. You sure do find some interesting cutlery. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
I like it a lot and now a Birdy has flown to the top of my short list.;):)
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Thank you James. Sacha is a great guy to deal with and his english is good too. He really did a great job on these. Let me know if I can be of any further help.
 
knarfeng said:
Bought a little Boker SFO from an obscure Non-BF seller who does not specialize in knives.
Slip joint
2" drop point hollow ground blade made from 12C27 blade steel hardened to 58-60 HRC.
ORANGE G10 covers held together with Torx screws.
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Bought a second one of the little rascals in case of loss because the silly thing suits my needs so well. Oh well. Goodness is where you find it.
 
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