mods regarding negative feedback

craytab said:
Okay, but you did say this and now you are in this situation:



Retaliatory feedback should stand. Lessons learned for those who participate in it and it warns the rest of us with who not to deal with.
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I was gonna point that out myself as i was confused how in the same thread such conflicting statements were made......but decided it wasnt going to help or add. If he didnt see the conflict in statements....pointing it out, even in a really nice way, would only draw anger or defense rebuttal. Point being this likely wont end well.....it is what it is though. Hopefully everyone learned something. Learning from mistakes is what makes us all better people.
 
It appears negative feedback can be put in place for any reason, or none at all, without review.
Heck, I can pick a sale thread, not even post in it, and leave negative feed back without ever contacting the seller.
I might even just pick a gold member who has never even posted a sale thread and leave negative feed back (not sure if forum software allows this).
It might, or might not get sorted out in the name of justice... either way, damage is done - You know what they say, "First liar wins".
If I were in charge, any negative feedback left would be detected, flagged, notification sent to whom it concerned, investigated and reviewed before it was put in place to be seen by all.
Then I wouldn't have to put up with most of this mess. But on the flip side, it might slightly reduce traffic, which would make my forum less valuable.
:)
 
jpm2 said:
It appears negative feedback can be put in place for any reason, or none at all, without review.
Heck, I can pick a sale thread, not even post in it, and leave negative feed back without ever contacting the seller.
I might even just pick a gold member who has never even posted a sale thread and leave negative feed back (not sure if forum software allows this).
It might, or might not get sorted out in the name of justice... either way, damage is done - You know what they say, "First liar wins".
If I were in charge, any negative feedback left would be detected, flagged, notification sent to whom it concerned, investigated and reviewed before it was put in place to be seen by all.
Then I wouldn't have to put up with most of this mess. But on the flip side, it might slightly reduce traffic, which would make my forum less valuable.
:)
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I'm impressed that you can code that kind of software and make it work with the existing iTrader system. I would recommend contacting Spark and offering your services.
 
How about a feedback system for the ignore list. That way you can ignore those with a high percentage of ignores. But no retaliatory ignores.
 
jpm2 said:
It appears negative feedback can be put in place for any reason, or none at all, without review.
Heck, I can pick a sale thread, not even post in it, and leave negative feed back without ever contacting the seller.
I might even just pick a gold member who has never even posted a sale thread and leave negative feed back (not sure if forum software allows this).
It might, or might not get sorted out in the name of justice... either way, damage is done - You know what they say, "First liar wins".
If I were in charge, any negative feedback left would be detected, flagged, notification sent to whom it concerned, investigated and reviewed before it was put in place to be seen by all.
Then I wouldn't have to put up with most of this mess. But on the flip side, it might slightly reduce traffic, which would make my forum less valuable.
:)
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It would appear that way, yes. You are correct. Just as it would appear that as we find these folks doing it, we simply ban them and report their info to stopforumspam.com and let them sort things out with any other forums they'd like to join. However, if there is an issue with someone randomly sniping people with negative feedback, then you can rest assured the feedback would be removed.

It's only when people are plain lazy and/or ignorant and cannot be bothered to read and follow instructions that there is no hurry or pressing need for action in matters such as this one. As for the rest, we rely on the honor system in this regard. Spark has mentioned he can just simply remove iTrader scores entirely and be done with the whole damn thing. But since members find it useful and most use it with respect to the way it was initialy intended it is still here.

Unlike the issue with why bumping threads to the top and casual commentary was removed. It was also based on the honor system, but a handful of asshats would think it was worth the risk bumping their shit back to the top 5 times a day while trying to disguise it as back patting one another. We aren't slowing down at all, we've just getting started. ;)
 
^exactly. I want to know who can't be bothered to read the rules. I want to know who leaves retaliatory feedback. I want to know who leaves feedback with no completed transaction. This sort of feedback usually leads to a thread like this. Or, in a thread where one or two members cat fight or have complete meltdowns. Other members will take the back of members completely in the wrong or take up a crusade in Tech Support. It is all data points of evidence that can be used by the knowledge (IE the people who read the rules and pay attention a bit) to figure out who to deal with....or not. Is the feedback system perfect? Hell no. When used imperfectly is when it can shine though. Feedback like this is more important than it might seem.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I'm impressed that you can code that kind of software and make it work with the existing iTrader system. I would recommend contacting Spark and offering your services.
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Not that I can do it, only that I know it can be done. I have a friend that runs a forum I mod on. This is simple stuff for him.
If anyone is interested, I can inquire to see if he would help.

RevDevil said:
It would appear that way, yes. You are correct. Just as it would appear that as we find these folks doing it, we simply ban them and report their info to stopforumspam.com and let them sort things out with any other forums they'd like to join. However, if there is an issue with someone randomly sniping people with negative feedback, then you can rest assured the feedback would be removed.

It's only when people are plain lazy and/or ignorant and cannot be bothered to read and follow instructions that there is no hurry or pressing need for action in matters such as this one. As for the rest, we rely on the honor system in this regard. Spark has mentioned he can just simply remove iTrader scores entirely and be done with the whole damn thing. But since members find it useful and most use it with respect to the way it was initialy intended it is still here.

Unlike the issue with why bumping threads to the top and casual commentary was removed. It was also based on the honor system, but a handful of asshats would think it was worth the risk bumping their shit back to the top 5 times a day while trying to disguise it as back patting one another. We aren't slowing down at all, we've just getting started. ;)
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RevDevil,

I can appreciate the position you are in but there are idiots, and just plain malicious individuals that you have to deal with in any form of moderation. There's no reason not to make the format more fair and justified except for laziness. Sure you can say read the rules, but if there's a way to potentially enforce, or reduce unwanted BS from the source, then why not? The only reason I can think of is reduced traffic, or laziness.
 
jpm2 said:
Not that I can do it, only that I know it can be done. I have a friend that runs a forum I mod on. This is simple stuff for him.
If anyone is interested, I can inquire to see if he would help.



RevDevil,

I can appreciate the position you are in but there are idiots, and just plain malicious individuals that you have to deal with in any form of moderation. There's no reason not to make the format more fair and justified except for laziness. Sure you can say read the rules, but if there's a way to potentially enforce, or reduce unwanted BS from the source, then why not? The only reason I can think of is reduced traffic, or laziness.
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In my opinion it would be more work for volunteers. It seems like it is this way or it won't be here. The smart will use it to help them and the lazy/not to be bothered with rules crowd will use it like you have seen in this thread. I like to know who those people are so I can know not to deal with them. YMMV.
 
craytab said:
^exactly. I want to know who can't be bothered to read the rules. I want to know who leaves retaliatory feedback. I want to know who leaves feedback with no completed transaction. This sort of feedback usually leads to a thread like this. Or, in a thread where one or two members cat fight or have complete meltdowns. Other members will take the back of members completely in the wrong or take up a crusade in Tech Support. It is all data points of evidence that can be used by the knowledge (IE the people who read the rules and pay attention a bit) to figure out who to deal with....or not. Is the feedback system perfect? Hell no. When used imperfectly is when it can shine though. Feedback like this is more important than it might seem.
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If the forum intended you to know this, they wouldn't have the rule of "no transaction, no feedback".
I don't agree with the feedback used "imperfectly", it can do more damage than harm, imo.
 
jpm2 said:
If the forum intended you to know this, they wouldn't have the rule of "no transaction, no feedback".
I don't agree with the feedback used "imperfectly", it can do more damage than harm, imo.
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More damage than harm? Lol...I know what you meant.

Haven't seen it yet. Truly retaliatory feedback has stood. Malicious or mistaken feedback has been changed. Opinions on these exact circumstances by the individuals involved and other members might vary but reading circumstances have never lead me wrong. If people can't work things out like adults then they don't need to be on my do business list. If you think you can revolutionize this process that has been in place long before you and I, by all means, start a tech support thread. Hash it out with the head man.
 
craytab said:
In my opinion it would be more work for volunteers. It seems like it is this way or it won't be here. The smart will use it to help them and the lazy/not to be bothered with rules crowd will use it like you have seen in this thread. I like to know who those people are so I can know not to deal with them. YMMV.
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In my experience, it would be less work, as rare as negative feedback is.
The innocent accused, even when acquitted, is still suspected by some. Some damage can't be reversed.
 
jpm2 said:
In my experience, it would be less work, as rare as negative feedback is.
The innocent accused, even when acquitted, is still suspected by some. Some damage can't be reversed.
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Well, if you know more. Put it out there. Go for it. Of course not here. This is feedback for a specific instance.
 
craytab said:
More damage than harm? Lol...I know what you meant.

Haven't seen it yet. Truly retaliatory feedback has stood. Malicious or mistaken feedback has been changed. Opinions on these exact circumstances by the individuals involved and other members might vary but reading circumstances have never lead me wrong. If people can't work things out like adults then they don't need to be on my do business list. If you think you can revolutionize this process that has been in place long before you and I, by all means, start a tech support thread. Hash it out with the head man.
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Uh, yeah I worded that wrong...

You've seen the effects in this thread. At least one, maybe both parties here have been ignored, possibly unjustified.
 
jpm2 said:
Uh, yeah I worded that wrong...

You've seen the effects in this thread. At least one, maybe both parties here have been ignored, possibly unjustified.
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The feedback system has been discussed a bunch. I don't understand the ins & outs on the back side at all. Just a guy who has sat & watched at first, used it a lot cautiously over the years, and have figured out how to use it to my benefit/safety. If there is a negative FB there is often a thread here about it folks. The iTrade is but one resource.
 
jpm2 said:
Uh, yeah I worded that wrong...

You've seen the effects in this thread. At least one, maybe both parties here have been ignored, possibly unjustified.
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Oh, and the OP was a justified ignore. He was threatening people in his sales thread with negative feedback without cause. In the OP! Never saw that one before. Then he came here in the GB&U and admitted to not reading the rules even though he said he reads the rules to everything. No thanks.
 
Things can go south fast for the unjustifiably accused. Tempers flare, people get out of character, etc. An otherwise level headed person can appear irrational under the stress when trying to defend their self, that's the reason it's advisable not to take the stand in court, even when you're completely innocent.
Smart prosecuters don't bring a case to court without overwhelming evidence.
Negative feedback shouldn't be allowed without review.
 
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