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[stabman]

Exactly, MOST LEO and 1st responders aren't knife enthusiasts, that's been known as general knowledge for a long time.

Have to think outside of BF as it's a very big world out there.

He's direct selling to LEO and first responder knife enthusiasts.
Who cares what most people are when you're targeting a specific sub-set?
Marketing 101, and it seems to be working well for Hinderer.

 

[Ankerson]

He's direct selling to LEO and first responder knife enthusiasts.
Who cares what most people are when you're targeting a specific sub-set?
Marketing 101, and it seems to be working well for Hinderer.

He isn't producing THAT many knives overall per year.....

 

[stabman]

He isn't producing THAT many knives overall per year.....

Yet he makes enough to suit him just fine apparently.
It's his business, and the whole point of opening a business is to suit the needs/desires of the business owner.

But this whole thing deviates from the point of the thread, which is knives.

 

[egally08]

He isn't producing THAT many knives overall per year.....

Exactly. When Hinderer became popular, he probably ended up with a back order a mile a long. Why sort through that, when he can just sell them directly to the fields he built them for. They are very hard use knives after all. Honestly, I think it makes them more available doing it that way, instead of trying to find someone who is next on the list, and buying it from that guy who had to wait a year for it.

What I am trying to say is, you think someone who had to wait a year for it, is going to sell it as quickly as someone who was able to buy it because of his occupation? Nope, they would probably be more expensive

 

[Ankerson]

Yet he makes enough to suit him just fine apparently.
It's his business, and the whole point of opening a business is to suit the needs/desires of the business owner.

But this whole thing deviates from the point of the thread, which is knives.

For the VERY small percentage in those fields that might want them to actually use, that might be likely.

I seriously doubt we would find THAT many people in those fields who are actually are using them in their fields percentage wise. That's comparing to the number of knives sold to the number of people in those fields who really have them and are using them.

For the rest of them, dealers, etc they just flip them for a quick profit ...... And that's where MOST of them are going.....

It's all marketing really.

I personally don't know anyone in those fields in real life who even knows what Hinderer is, and I know more than a few people.

And as much as they really like to talk... And they do..... IF Hinderer was a hot item really they would know about them....

 

[MEJ]

Im starting to have some serious reservations about my skyline as the darn pivot loosens as fast as i can tighten it.

 

[CJZ]

This is probably the best thread to go to if you want to have a gigantic disagreement.

 

[evilgreg]

Im starting to have some serious reservations about my skyline as the darn pivot loosens as fast as i can tighten it.

Your problem has a simple solution. A drop of Loctite (or Permatex, I use Permatex) is all you need.

 

[stabman]

This is probably the best thread to go to if you want to have a gigantic disagreement.

I disagree gigantically.

 

[stabman]

And as much as they really like to talk... And they do..... IF Hinderer was a hot item really they would know about them....

No they wouldn't, as they also generally don't know what a Strider/Spyderco/Benchmade/Kershaw/Zero Tolerance/etc. is.

They know what sells at Wal-Mart, and that goes for ALL walks of life, not just police/soldiers/ambulance guys. Dentists also don't generally know a quality knife even if it cuts them.

 

[steff27]

If you used your knives a lot like some people really do then you would understand more about why knives like the Para 2 and the Military are designed that way.

It does make a difference.

I get the ergonomics of the Para 2, also the construction is great. Apart from food prep, I don't care about the "lost" blade length.

There's one thing about this knife I don't understand. Why is it that thick at the edge? A knife that thick at the edge screams hard use, because for other uses, a thick edge is wasted cutting performance. But the high alloy steel at the high hardness would be more suited to slicing, because with hard use it microchips more than a couple other knives I have with thinner edges.

I still don't know what the grind/steel/hardness combination of the PM2 was designed for.

 

[FCM415]

For the VERY small percentage in those fields that might want them to actually use, that might be likely.

I seriously doubt we would find THAT many people in those fields who are actually are using them in their fields percentage wise. That's comparing to the number of knives sold to the number of people in those fields who really have them and are using them.

There was a thread about a month ago here on General, the OP was wondering what members that are LEO's and first responders carry on duty. He was looking for suggestions. I think it reached two pages. No mention of Hinderer. Why is that? Don't the Hinderer enuthiasts call it the ultimate sevice tool or something like that? Just brought it up because it seems to support your statement... When that thread first came up I assumed Hinderers were gonna be well respresented.

I'd hate to think that the select few who Hinderer only wants to sell to dont even carry them on duty (Im sure some do). What are they doing with them? Selling them for $800? Safequeen? To the few who do use them on the field and payed 400, good for you.

 

[338375]

I just got a Benchmade Griptilian today (#551, 3.45" satin plain).

Can someone explain why this knife costs $90? Or did I buy it hugely overpriced?

The grips kill me.

The pocket clip material seems cheesy but works ok.

I really wanted to try an axis lock to see what all the fuss is about. The lock up is good and the blade material is great but sheesh - for $90 I would rather get two Leeks and a Chive.

You may be right. The plastic scales are just too cheesy for me. I feel like if I had the griptilain in my back pocket and sat down wrong that the plastic would crack. Milled aluminum alloy may be better. And I am a big fan of deep carry clips.

Right now I am liking my ZT's.

Yes, if you paid $90 for your Grip, you overpaid, unless it is a Ritter, or one from the custom build program, the $90 was a good buy...
If you do some searching on certain auction sites, you can find them for about $70, sometimes a little less.

When I got my first mini grip, I had the same feeling regarding the plastic feeling cheap. After using it for awhile, I no longer thought about it, but instead began to appreciate the knife for what it was. I have had a few mini grips, and they are still one of my all time favorite folders.

 

[Ankerson]

There was a thread about a month ago here on General, the OP was wondering what members that are LEO's and first responders carry on duty. He was looking for suggestions. I think it reached two pages. No mention of Hinderer. Why is that? Don't the Hinderer enuthiasts call it the ultimate sevice tool or something like that? Just brought it up because it seems to support your statement... When that thread first came up I assumed Hinderers were gonna be well respresented.

I'd hate to think that the select few who Hinderer only wants to sell to dont even carry them on duty (Im sure some do). What are they doing with them? Selling them for $800? Safequeen? To the few who do use them on the field and payed 400, good for you.

I remember that thread and how short it really was.....

Like I said, it's all marketing in an effort to sell knives...

Sadly though it seems that most of the knives are really sold are to dealers and the very select few flippers.

To the very small number of 1st responders, LEO and Active Military that actually do own them, and I believe that number is VERY small when compared to the number of knives made I am sure they enjoy them.

 

[Ankerson]

No they wouldn't, as they also generally don't know what a Strider/Spyderco/Benchmade/Kershaw/Zero Tolerance/etc. is.

They know what sells at Wal-Mart, and that goes for ALL walks of life, not just police/soldiers/ambulance guys. Dentists also don't generally know a quality knife even if it cuts them.

Exactly to the point I was making before.......

So if the whole marketing thing is real...... And we know it's really NOT......

Who are they really selling the knives to?

I mean other than the dealers and the select few flippers who have an inside line.

Don't get me wrong it's a smart marketing strategy...... To sell knives at the inflated prices they sell for.....

Hopefully one day they will get production to the point where people other than the above will be able to get them at reasonable prices.

 

[gixxer1237]

Hinder, CRK, ZT, and Spyderco PM2. All over rated for various reasons. Why can't Spyderco make a knife that is blade to handle efficient in a decent size range?

 

[bld522]

Exactly to the point I was making before.......

Wait a minute! Did stabman just counter his own argument? Well whether he did or not, it seems to me that there are far too many ASSUMPTIONS being made about Hinderer popularity among LEOs and far too few FACTS to back them up. What FACTS exist appear to indicate that most LEOs don't carry Hinderers and that many if not most of them don't even know what a Hinderer is. If anyone has any FACTS that would lead to the opposite conclusion, please state them here and provide your sources.

Thanks.

 

[Ankerson]

Wait a minute! Did stabman just counter his own argument? Well whether he did or not, it seems to me that there are far too many ASSUMPTIONS being made about Hinderer popularity among LEOs and far too few FACTS to back them up. What FACTS exist appear to indicate that most LEOs don't carry Hinderers and that many if not most of them don't even know what a Hinderer is. If anyone has any FACTS that would lead to the opposite conclusion, please state them here and provide your sources.

Thanks.

It's easy enough to research and by researching one will come to the same conclusion.

I did it myself after I tried to actually buy one from Hinderer directly to test way back and got the response back that only active duty yadda, yadda.......

I am prior Military and that really left a very bad taste in my mouth especially after doing the research and realising they would rather sell to dealers and the others that have an inside line than Veterans.

 

[CrimsonTideShooter]

What are you even saying?

Hinderer sells to active/retired service members first (lump LEO and first responders in there also) and all else comes second. I know this to be fact, and it has been for a while now.

If you are/were active .mil then you can have a knife at the regular price pretty much as quickly as you want it, all others wait. My local dealer put in a HUGE (think 15k+) purchase order with Hinderer almost 2 years ago. To date he has received 3 knives. You can't even begin to say that Hinderer favors dealers over service members.

It's easy enough to research and by researching one will come to the same conclusion.

I did it myself after I tried to actually buy one from Hinderer directly to test way back and got the response back that only active duty yadda, yadda.......

I am prior Military and that really left a very bad taste in my mouth especially after doing the research and realising they would rather sell to dealers and the others that have an inside line than Veterans.

 

[Ankerson]

What are you even saying?

Hinderer sells to active/retired service members first (lump LEO and first responders in there also) and all else comes second. I know this to be fact, and it has been for a while now.

If you are/were active .mil then you can have a knife at the regular price pretty much as quickly as you want it, all others wait. My local dealer put in a HUGE (think 15k+) purchase order with Hinderer almost 2 years ago. To date he has received 3 knives. You can't even begin to say that Hinderer favors dealers over service members.

That's not what the research says......

And there is more than 1 dealer who sells them.....