Most Overrated Folder

bld522 said:
I have no reason to doubt that. I'd even be willing to put that statement in the FACTS category, few though they may be. :)
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The best bet for those of us who aren't entitled is to get to one of the shows and roll the dice so to speak.

But then there are travel expenses to take into consideration.

Not worth it IMO just to get a knife to test and maybe use if it was a slicer grind, I wouldn't flip it....

Which goes back to my original point.
 
I hope the day comes that you get your hands on an XM and test it, Jim. I'd love to know if its performance justifies the prices people are willing to pay for it or if there's some other aspect of the knife that makes it, to quote a popular song of the 80's, simply irresistable.

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It's so fine, there's no tellin' where the money went.
It's so fine, there's no other way to go.
 
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Rick has and does sell to those who have served. All I can say is that I know this to be fact, because I know of at least 2 people who were not active duty who have received a knife from the source, at regular pricing.

I don't have any reason to really go much further. Fun read though!
 
Ankerson said:
The best bet for those of us who aren't entitled is to get to one of the shows and roll the dice so to speak.

But then there are travel expenses to take into consideration.

Not worth it IMO just to get a knife to test and maybe use if it was a slicer grind, I wouldn't flip it....

Which goes back to my original point.
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The slicer grinds aren't any thinner at the edge than the spantos. At least not mine, and I have multiples of both. I guess the only real benefit to the slicer is the higher grind.
 
bld522 said:
I hope the day comes that you get your hands on an XM and test it, Jim. I'd love to know if its performance justifies the prices people are willing to pay for it or if there's some other aspect of the knife that makes it, to quote a popular song of the 80's, simply irresistable.
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I would only pay the price than Rick set for the knife and not a penny more....

Taking into count I would only be testing it for the most part, and it would have to be a slicer grind really.

So taking that into count it's highly unlikely I will ever test one. ;)
 
CrimsonTideShooter said:
The slicer grinds aren't any thinner at the edge than the spantos. At least not mine, and I have multiples of both. I guess the only real benefit to the slicer is the higher grind.
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Only had my hands on a regular once and it was so thick behind the edge I couldn't do anything with it.
 
So Jim, are you retracting your statement that it is smart marketing, since it has no effect on him either way?

He was a very popular knife maker anyways before he introduced his production line. His knives will sell either way. I do wish we all could buy them direct, but complaining about how a person runs his own private business won't do anyone any good. Not saying that you are, just a lot of people do.

Along with high market prices, comes high hype, high hopes and even more high criticism. There are deff. much cheaper options that do the same thing, with the same features. Then again, every knife is unique, and appeal to different people differently.
 
CrimsonTideShooter said:
Rick has and does sell to those who have served. All I can say is that I know this to be fact, because I know of at least 2 people who were not active duty who have received a knife from the source, at regular pricing.

I don't have any reason to really go much further. Fun read though!
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The only reason to go any further is to explain why you say Rick will do something Rick says he won't do ON HIS OWN FORUM, something Jim said he corroborated in a personal communication he had with Rick. Obviously somebody isn't telling the truth, and it sure doesn't look like it's Jim.
 
Ankerson said:
Only had my hands on a regular once and it was so thick behind the edge I couldn't do anything with it.
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I don't see a point in testing a hinderer for its slicing ability. We all know it will lose that test against the many thinner blades out there. It was designed to be abused and beaten. So yeah, I never see you buying a $700 knife and beating the hell out of it as you mentioned.
 
egally08 said:
I don't see a point in testing a hinderer for its slicing ability.
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Of course not. Why would anyone want to slice with a knife? :rolleyes: IMO, if a Hinderer can't slice like a knife in the first place, it's not worth asking whether it can slice like one after it's been beaten and abused.
 
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bld522 said:
Of course not. Why would anyone want to slice with a knife? :rolleyes: For what it's worth, it isn't whether a knife can stand up to abuse, it's whether it will SLICE LIKE A KNIFE after it's been abused. If it can't slice like a knife in the first place, it's not worth asking whether it can slice like one after it's been beaten and abused.
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If you would of read more then the first sentence of my post you would of seen that I said, it will lose the test against the blades with thinner stock and thinner behind the edge. Not that it couldn't slice period. :)

Do you think your R. Laconico slim EDC would out slice my opinel? Of course it wouldn't, there fore what would you be trying to prove? Oh and I own a R.L and I know this for a fact.
 
Oh. So you're admitting that the Hinderer isn't a match for knives with thinner stock and thinner behind the edge in the single most important thing any knife has to be able to do . . . slice. Fair enough. Are you also suggesting that knives with thinner stock and thinner behind the edge can't hold up to being beaten and abused? Just out of curiosity, how much beating and abusing does a knife have to absorb before it passes the test? And have you beaten and abused a Hinderer sufficiently to know from first-hand experience just how much it can take?
 
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I am saying knives are designed for different purposes in mind. In my opinion I believe the xm-18 is not optimized for pure slicing ability. Testing a knife like that on its slicing ability is a no brainer when compared against knives that are optimized for slicing.

Please quote where i said anything about thin knives not being able to take abuse.
 
OK. So thin knives can take abuse. And thin knives, by your own admission, can outslice a Hinderer. If that's the case, why buy the Hinderer? :confused:
 
I don't recall saying a thin knife that is optimized for slicing could take more abuse and stand up to it better then a hinderer. Please quote me on that.

By your logic why doesn't everyone just buy opinels? Because people like different things, and people like options and different features.
 
OK. So thin knives can't take more abuse and stand up to it better than a Hinderer. But a Hinderer can't slice as well as a thin knife. So I guess the question is whether it's more important to have a knife that can stand up to abuse or a knife that can slice well. Am I getting closer?

By the way, the term "hard-use folder" is an oxymoron in my vernacular. When I think "hard-use", I think "fixed-blade". Any time you want to find out how "hard-use" your XM is, bring it on by and I'll introduce it to my $135.00 RatManDu. Then we'll abuse them and beat on them and see which one comes out on top. And one last thing. If a knife can't slice well . . . especially a folder . . . it isn't worth a damn to me at any price.
 
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egally08 said:
The only thing I know is, even if they were sold to the public, the price on the secondary market would be the same, since he cannot meet demand. Supply Vs. Demand
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Even so, at least ANYONE can have a shot at a Hinderer for msrp... and not only to those with a specific career path where everyone else is a secondary customer. But I don't think it would be as high as what they are going for now. Part of the mystique is the prestige factor in that a doctor, janitor, etc. cannot get one directly from him.

egally08 said:
Dealers and flippers do the mark up, I know that. But you said its "smart marketing" for him to do that. So if he isn't making anything on it, seems like dumb marketing. Or its not a marketing strategy.
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I doubt he planned any of this, some only suggest that the outcome, the end result is that his company benefits from this business model either way. It keeps his knives well in demand along with the prestige knowing that these are only available to a select group of people. Also, other companies urge dealers to follow some sort of pricing guideline... Not with Hinderer apparently, it's like the wild west out there.
 
Getting closer to what? Do you expect me to tell you why they are one of the most popular knives, why people buy them? Or why I buy them? Or are you being sarcastic like some of your other posts?
 
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