Moved from General Knife Discussion: Gil Hibben is selling his latest Rambo knife.

Dear Mods,
sorry to bother you, but could you please please pretty please with sugar on it please move this to Whine & Cheese so that I can offer a few of my choice responses to the ignorant posts in this thread?
 
Bastid said:
Apparently it is difficult for the ignorant to grasp the obvious, but when they do they have a need to proclaim it.
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You can go ahead and call me ignorant all you want.... Just making yourself look bad.

Even Stevie Wonder could see what your friend's knife looks like.

Also, no offense or sarcasm intended at all; but folks expect something a bit more than a Mexican machete copy from a Master Knifemaker such as Gil Hibben.

I know, I know.... I'm being ignorant. The Movie Producer wanted something simple and rugged. And that's what your friend came up with. Still, the Movie Producer lacked the common sense to simply buy a handful of cheap, used, machetes from Mexico; for the film. (I guess that's Hollywood for you). Your friend got a request to make a knife for the film, and that's the design he chose.

You can call me or anyone else who disagrees with you, "ignorant."
As a Mod, you can ban everyone who disagrees with you..... Won't change the fact that the Rambo IV knife LOOKS like a used machete.
 
Once again, although some friends of Hibben have posted none of the moderators here know him personally. (How familiar we are with stoopidity is another question....) You will also notice that no one has been banned for disagreeing with the moderators.
 
Have you considered that this knife was made for a movie and mostly designed by the people involved in the movie rather than Gil or are you just wallowing in your ignorance. (Never mind, I think we saw the answer to that in your previous post).

If you have, your are in fact ignorant. If you have not then consider it and then think about your posts. Let me know how mature and intelligent your conclusions are.

You are right, I am making myself look bad to the ignorant and I do not care when it comes to them.

Read my lips. The knife is the way it is because the people making the movie wanted it that way.

It should not be that hard to grasp for a person as intelligent as you are (or is it?).
 
thanks shaldag. i just posted in there what i think about the people knocking gil's work. i wish i had gil's talent to make the knives he does. it would be so neat to see a knife in a movie knowing that you made it :thumbup:. lets see what they can come up with:p.
 
And that's what your friend came up with.
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I see simple reading comprehension is not one of your strong points either.
 
Bastid said:
Have you considered that this knife was made for a movie and mostly designed by the people involved in the movie rather than Gil or are you just wallowing in your ignorance. (Never mind, I think we saw the answer to that in your previous post).

If you have, your are in fact ignorant. If you have not then consider it and then think about your posts. Let me know how mature and intelligent your conclusions are.

You are right, I am making myself look bad to the ignorant and I do not care when it comes to them.

Read my lips. The knife is the way it is because the people making the movie wanted it that way.

It should not be that hard to grasp for a person as intelligent as you are (or is it?).
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Yes, I have considered that. But then why is Mr. Hibben allowing this used machete copy to be associated with his name? Would it even remotely come close to the $1250 asking price if it wasn't?

Hmm.... a respected Mod tossing around personal insults when none have been thrown his way. Yes, I can clearly see that you don't care about making yourself look bad on these boards.

My conclusion is, it would fetch closer to $12.50 instead of $1250 if Mr. Hibben's name wasn't associated with it. Can you honestly say that's not an educated opinion?

Please re-read my previous post. I agree that the knife is the way it is because the Producers wanted it that way.... And sadly, Mr. Hibben went along with that idea. I'm not a knifemaker, but it would just seem to be more than a bit of an insult if a Master Knifemaker was contacted and told to make a used machete clone with his name on it. But that's just my opinion, and I already know what you think of that.
 
Yes, I can clearly see that you don't care about making yourself look bad on these boards.
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Trouble with comprehension again I see.

If your point is that Gil should have walked away from the project then an intelligent discussion could come about and I would respect your point.

If your point is that the knife is ugly. Your point is ignorant (and deserves no respect).
 
It still may not be clear to everyone that although it looks similar to a beat-up cheap machete, in pictures or from a distance, it is in fact a hand-made knife made by a master with the same craftsmanship he gives to his prettier knives. If you buy it you won't actually be getting something as cheap and junky as it might look at first glance.
 
Another question Monocrom.

How many movie prop knives have you seen go for 12.50?

I don't collect movie stuff don't even collect Gil's work, but I bet 12.50 would be a steal that would realize quite a bit of almost instant profit.

It is my opinion the valuation is ignorant also, but your logic behind that statement would be interesting to understand.

Or could it be that it is just another off the cuff remark not founded by any logic?
 
Bastid said:
Trouble with comprehension again I see.

If your point is that Gil should have walked away from the project then an intelligent discussion could come about.

If your point is that the knife is ugly. Your point is ignorant.
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Another post with no personal insults from me, as a reply to one filled with another cheap shot from you.

Well, despite having lost all respect for you; I'd like to respond to the rest of your post.

1 - Yes, I'm saying he should have walked away from the project. The design he was given and told to make is an insult to any talented knifemaker. Unless he was under contract to create the knife before given the design, well; that's something else. If he wasn't, he should have just told them to buy a few used machetes and not waste his time.

2 - Yes, I'm saying the knife is ugly! Based on what? On having seen a picture of it! Is that what you're upset about? Someone saying the knife is ugly, after having seen a picture of it, is far from "ignorance." If I said it was ugly based on one BFer telling me it is; then you would be justified in calling me ignorant. I'm saying its ugly, after having seen the darn thing! You can disagree with my opinion, but "ignorant" wouldn't be the correct word to use.
 
Yes, I can clearly see that you don't care about making yourself look bad on these boards.
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I see you have trouble comprehended what you write also.

Looks like an insult to me.

I guess you are standing on your valuation also. It is an ignorant valuation. I base that conclusion upon the prices that movie props bring and have been obtained for decades.

You have not seen a movie prop go for 12.50, yet you stand on your valuation.
(Does not sound like an intelligent valuation to me at all.) What is the logic behind your valuation other than the knife appearing what it is supposed to be why would you value it at 12.50 when it is pretty common knowledge that it would go for much more to those who do collect that type of thing.

Read my lips again. The knife is supposed to be ugly. That is the way the movie makers wanted it. The knives in the Rambo movies create an aura that a 12.50 machete might not match, but if a 12.50 machete was used, I have no doubt that there would be increased demand for them once the movie came out.

You are right the knife is ugly. My point is that it is supposed to be ugly and that is more than an obvious observation.

Congratulations for pointing out the obvious.
 
Monocrom said:
None.... Then again, I have no interest in collecting prop items.
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But that is exactly what you are discussing and this whole thread is about. Get it?

You want pretty knives from Hibben? I can show you plenty of them. You want users? Gil has been making them for 50 years and they have served hunters and soldiers for decades. But he also makes movie knives. Stallone, who is a respected collector of high end custom knives, called Gil to make the knife for the movie.

Gil made a neat looking (yes, pretty) knife and it was rejected as being too pretty for what Stallone, who wrote the script, wanted. Gil made at least 3 more designs and they kept coming back saying they want something more crude looking. Finally, they arrrived at what you see which you viewing entirely out of context.
 
Finally, they arrrived at what you see which you viewing entirely out of context.
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That is the part that seems to be failing all comprehension or is being ignored.

If it is being ignored then that is what I am calling ignorant.

If comprehension is the problem then I am ashamed for taking advantage of the impaired.
 
Monocrom said:
1 - Yes, I'm saying he should have walked away from the project. The design he was given and told to make is an insult to any talented knifemaker. Unless he was under contract to create the knife before given the design, well; that's something else. If he wasn't, he should have just told them to buy a few used machetes and not waste his time.
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Good luck in the business world.

Obviously Gil hasn't a clue about doing business or being successful as a knifemaker. He should consult you for advice.
 
Not many of us are in a position to walk away from a lucrative contract that does not conflict with morals, because we do not like something that someone is hiring us to do.

My hat is off to Momocrom on that stance, if it is in fact one he would personally take, but so far he does not seem to be able to substantiate his other remarks.

To his credit, at least he has not walked away from those remarks like many others in this thread.
 
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