My Attempt to Skeletonize a 110

geothorn said:
I think that if it were going to come to that, as moderators of this forum, they could've stopped you on your first post. :)

GeoThorn
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ROTFLMAO!!!! That was about that "Tiffany" knife!!!! El Pollo was talking about his stamp set!!!
I saw that when I was reading the thread about Tiffany counterfeits or something like that.
Anyway, super cool pic of that mirror effect with the ChiCam Chickentrax!!!
Goose.
 
Ah, well, I could use a new front door anyway... :rolleyes: :eek: :p

And I still wish I could stamp out a name or initials or anything that nicely...Whoever did that inscription was pretty gifted...I'm lucky if I can hit a nail with a hammer...

Was that really my first post??? I'll have to look...
 
Dang....the perfect tool would be the small wheel setup on a Bader/KMG/etc. 2x72 grinder. I do this kind of thing all the time.


Maybe you could find a spindle sander and use a wedge block to get a consistent angle.



Loving this project, though...definitely cool idea. :thumbup:
 
Daniel Koster said:
Dang....the perfect tool would be the small wheel setup on a Bader/KMG/etc. 2x72 grinder...
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Is that the $1500 grinder, or the $3500 machine??? :eek: :D ;)

I hope to retire in ~6/7 years...and spend my days sipping juice and watching "Days Of Our Lives" until Lights Out at 10pm...

But I can't do that if I buy expensive specialized machinery... :(

So I'll just have to try hogging it out with my Sears router... :rolleyes:

(I'd rather have a CNC mill for my projects...if I had my druthers...) :D
 
Rich,
I ahve the 1/8" roundover in my hand but I won't be able to take a photo until tomorrow. (I don't make a habit of taking photos of my tools) :o I'll try to get it up tomorrow. I can't believe you can't find one.
 
Mike Kerins said:
Rich,
I ahve the 1/8" roundover in my hand but I won't be able to take a photo until tomorrow. (I don't make a habit of taking photos of my tools) :o I'll try to get it up tomorrow. I can't believe you can't find one.
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I've found that if you don't possess the vocabulary you don't get very far...Knives [like every market segment] have their own unique terms and labels...same with tools...I'm sure there is a tool somewhere that does exactly what I want [bevels on irregular shaped objects] but knowing what it is called is a trick worthy of Carmack the Magnificent... :rolleyes:

Even though I started out as a machinist some 30-odd years ago, I've changed careers several times and have not been able to keep up with the tooling or vernacular of the trade...

I have a suspicion that someone probably makes a diamond or similarly hard-cutting conical stone that will mount in a ball-bearing shaft for beveling glass or other hard objects...but knowing where and what it is called is difficult to find out...

It's hard enough to find brass nails for Buck scales, let alone a beveling tool bit... :(

Which is why I'm appealing to the membership for ideas...
 
I can appreciate your frustration. Do you have to identify a bit that is specifically used for metal or just one that is carbide tipped?
 
Mike Kerins said:
I can appreciate your frustration. Do you have to identify a bit that is specifically used for metal or just one that is carbide tipped?
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The bit or tool (if there is something I can rent) doesn't necessarily need to be Carbide, it could be diamond [like the bits used to cut concrete] or silicon composition like used in grinding stones. I've found Carbide burrs that will cut bevels, but not with ball-bearing mounted shafts.

Routers seem to offer the best possibility. If I can find a grinding wheel that will hold up, and is shaft mounted, then I might try to make a ball-bearing shaft to hold it.

Someone mentioned clamping an angled block to the router table; that would expand my list of possible cutters to straight-shanked bits. That's cool, because there are a whole lot of straight Carbide burrs that I can find. But I still need to stand the scale off from the cutter at a fixed distance - probably with a bearing.

There is even a "tree" shaped Carbide burr (used for metal removal) that would work...with a bearing... :p

I'll come up with something eventually... :rolleyes:
 
OK; I've gone to Plan B... :p

I think that instead of using a ball-bearing *cutter*, I can mount a 3/8" ball-bearing on a custom-made jig (just a flat plate tapped for the bearing) and center a 1/2" or 5/8" x 60* rotary file or carbide burr above it, say in a drill press or mill quill. Adjust the burr height to get a ~.030" bevel, and spin it at high speed. Then [hopefully] just feed the scale in and let it cut...

How's that sound??? :rolleyes:

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http://www.discount-tools.com/51single.cfm

I'll have to cut the tip off the Carbide burr...Looking into how to do that now...
 
chickentrax said:
OK; I've gone to Plan B... :p
How's that sound??? :rolleyes:
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Trax, I want you to know that the little that I know about tools and machining would fit in your left eye...and you wouldn't know it was there:).

That said, I'm with you in spirit and know that you will get it done:D. Preston
 
I guess what I'm suggesting is that carbide tipped router bits that are normally reserved for woodworking may be capable of handling what it is you need to do to the titanium frame. Those roundover bits with bearings attached are pretty common.
 
Mike Kerins said:
I guess what I'm suggesting is that carbide tipped router bits that are normally reserved for woodworking may be capable of handling what it is you need to do to the titanium frame. Those roundover bits with bearings attached are pretty common.
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I think I know what you mean by a roundover bit now...

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And I think you are right, that for .030" worth, it would hold up...

But no, that's not what I want. That would give me a scale/bolster like an Idaho 110, which is not what I want. I want an angled bevel like on a 560. From various photos I've seen, the 186/560 may have had a couple different edge treatments (hard to tell in crappy eBay pics), but I want a 60* x .030" straight chamfer on my edge. If you look at the last pic of mine, the SHCS for the rockerbar is pretty close to the edge. My fault for using oversize SHCS's, but that's what I've got.
 
OK, I just ordered the 60* Carbide bevel cutter from Discount-Tools. If worse comes to worse, I can sink a piece of brake tubing in a steel plate and let the cutter point rest inside that while I cut the Ti scales on the upper part of the cutter.

There is going to be at least one more knife with beveled edges, so I guess it'll be worth it... :rolleyes:
 
Try these.... are in semi high res....








these are thumbnails... click on them
 
Pack Rat said:
Try these.... are in semi high res....

these are thumbnails... click on them
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Yes...Thank You! ;)

So! Buck did different edge treatments on the 560...The edge I want to emulate is the middle pic, the 560 on the left... :thumbup:

The other one doesn't have bevels on the holes, does it???

I can bevel the insides of the 5 holes OK; it's the finger grooves that are the trouble...(just wanted to make that clear)... ;)
 
chickentrax said:
Yes...Thank You! ;)

So! Buck did different edge treatments on the 560...The edge I want to emulate is the middle pic, the 560 on the left... :thumbup:
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Same two knives, different angles... Those are the only two edges I have seen on the 560's. I believe the 186's are more like the one with the offset edge... which is my preference..
 
chickentrax said:
I think I know what you mean by a roundover bit now...

But no, that's not what I want. That would give me a scale/bolster like an Idaho 110, which is not what I want. I want an angled bevel like on a 560. From various photos I've seen, the 186/560 may have had a couple different edge treatments (hard to tell in crappy eBay pics), but I want a 60* x .030" straight chamfer on my edge. If you look at the last pic of mine, the SHCS for the rockerbar is pretty close to the edge. My fault for using oversize SHCS's, but that's what I've got.
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OK.....then.....NEVER MIND! :o :D
 
chickentrax said:
You didn't go out and buy a digital camera just to take a pic of your router bit for me, did you??? :D

You sweet thang!!! ;) :) :D
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Sure.....you wanna re-imburse me? :D :rolleyes: :D
 
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