My Carbon Steel Rant

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I haven't owned carbon steel knives since the early 80's. When I did it just seemed I had to spend a lot of time keeping them polished as I absolutely hate rust or patina on a knife blade. I started carrying SAK's and never noticed any difference in edge holding compared to my previous Case or Schrades. If you say your 1095 holds a better edge than Vics, I'll take your word for it, it's just in overall aplication as edc and work knife, just didn't seem to matter.
Right now where I'm at, the climate is such that after pulling a Buck 110 w/ 420hc out of a packing box a few months after a move, it had rust on it. There's no way I'd get carbon steel now.
 
Only offense is you quoting me out of context. You only quoted what I bolded below when those last 5 words of my post must be taken in the context of my 90+ word post.

The context:

"Wipe down the ones you don't carry and store them with desiccant packs (you can get then at dollar stores).

The ones in rotation, wipe down once a day with an oiled rag you keep in a zip lock. It really is minimal maintenance taking only a few seconds a day.

If that's truly too much of a hassle, you might consider off loading the vast majority of your 70 carbon steel knives and your other knives as well too (as they too require a modicum of maintenance) and consider collecting something else."

I don't know; the only context it seems to require is the last sentence. Suggesting selling all of his knives, and including the "as they too require a modicum of maintenance" seemed plenty rude and uncalled for. It reads like 'you're too lazy, so give up collecting knives.'
 
First let me say that I love carbon steel, but I was very worried about how my gec bullnose was going to fair after today. In california we've been getting 100+ degree heat, combine that with me getting soaking wet while working outside for about 8 hours, and I only thought about my gec#71 when I got home. I was horrified when I saw that the color was drained from the micarta and I thought about the rust that must of formed on the blade. Opening it I found a familiar patina and lots of moisture, but no rust. I was ecstatic. It now has been dried out and been givin a new coat of oil. Over all I still love carbon steel on my traditional knives and keep the modern steel on my "tacticool" knives.
 
BLUF: If you don't want to care for your knives or certain knives, don't buy knives or certain knives.
 
BLUF: If you don't want to care for your knives or certain knives, don't buy knives or certain knives.
Same thing again. You could have just written 'certain knives' but instead you added 'your knives'. Insinuating that not wanting to oil your knife daily means that you are a careless owner. That's the nasty part. There are more knives than just 1095 steel and your nasty jab, reinforcing your original statement and giving the lie to your denial of same - is far from called for.
 
I think the points brought out in this thread are:

1. Back in the day people did not have 100+ knives.

2. Back in the day people actually carried their carbon steel knives on them and so they were regularly maintained.

3. Back in the day consumerism did not exist, and so they did not have 100+ knives rusting away in a box
 
I think the points brought out in this thread are:

1. Back in the day people did not have 100+ knives.

2. Back in the day people actually carried their carbon steel knives on them and so they were regularly maintained.

3. Back in the day consumerism did not exist, and so they did not have 100+ knives rusting away in a box

I agree I never had over 3 slipjoints till the 1990's.
 
I think the points brought out in this thread are:

1. Back in the day people did not have 100+ knives.

2. Back in the day people actually carried their carbon steel knives on them and so they were regularly maintained.

3. Back in the day consumerism did not exist, and so they did not have 100+ knives rusting away in a box

100% true
 
I think the points brought out in this thread are:

1. Back in the day people did not have 100+ knives.

2. Back in the day people actually carried their carbon steel knives on them and so they were regularly maintained.

3. Back in the day consumerism did not exist, and so they did not have 100+ knives rusting away in a box

Agreed. I think some folks are realizing that those values once held are worth another look. :thumbsup:

My signature link is actually on that topic
 
I was watching this thread because I'm very interested in the discussion. I have to say that I'm more on Buzz's side of the topic, but I don't have nearly as many carbon steel knives. I only have one GEC and a handful of Case's with CV. Two of my favorite Case's are my carbon versions, one of which is a large stockman I carry in a sheath. But I still don't carry it when the temperature gets up there. I am a little down on Case with their f&f issues and there are finally more GEC patterns out there that interest me, but I'm not sure I want to get knives I only carry six months out of the year. I typically put in over eighty hours a week between my two jobs, so knife maintenance on my time off isn't something I want to do. Do pocket slips or sheaths help at all? I prefer stainless too, but it seems like I'm missing out on a great company...
 
I was watching this thread because I'm very interested in the discussion. I have to say that I'm more on Buzz's side of the topic, but I don't have nearly as many carbon steel knives. I only have one GEC and a handful of Case's with CV. Two of my favorite Case's are my carbon versions, one of which is a large stockman I carry in a sheath. But I still don't carry it when the temperature gets up there. I am a little down on Case with their f&f issues and there are finally more GEC patterns out there that interest me, but I'm not sure I want to get knives I only carry six months out of the year. I typically put in over eighty hours a week between my two jobs, so knife maintenance on my time off isn't something I want to do. Do pocket slips or sheaths help at all? I prefer stainless too, but it seems like I'm missing out on a great company...

Pocket slips and/or sheaths tend to trap in moisture more than anything, though they would probably protect your knife from sweat a bit better. You would still have to take the knives out of their slips and give them a wipe down at the end of the day though.
 
I am ok with both carbon and stainless. I tend to carry stainless a lot more often once it gets above 95 degrees, and have been known to stash a spare of the carbon knives I carry a lot, for a lot of the reasons Buzz has mentioned, (don't tell my wife!) I am ok with (and really kind of like) a good patina, but I let a new Schrade 34 OT (when they were only made of plain old American carbon steel) get pretty rusty pretty fast once when I was young (a situation involving not just sweat and toil, but also fertilizer), instilling a fear of rust that I still struggle with.
 
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Uggghhhhhh!!!!!!!! For the first time all year, it's been exceptionally hot in Upstate New York. The last 3 days have been beastly, temperatures reaching as high as 95 degrees yesterday afternoon, and humid. My wife and I haven't gotten around to putting the air conditioner in the bedroom window yet, so we've just been leaving the windows open and turning on some fans.

Well, I always have a few choice traditional pocketknives on my nightstand. I grab one every morning, and put it in my pocket. The rest of my knives live in a storage room upstairs, safe and sound. The windows are always closed upstairs, and the door is kept shut.

Anyway, I go to grab a knife from my nightstand last night, a pristine Case CV sowbelly stockman, to cut up some cardboard for recycling. I open the big sheepsfoot, and stare at a giant nasty orange patch of rust. Two blades now have deeply pitted spots on them, after buffing them out.

To make matters worse, all 3 of the carbon steel knives on my nightstand were effected. The Sowbelly got it the worst, but my Soda Scout and Esky Zulu also had large orange rust spots, and those two already had a heavy patina going on them.

The three remaining knives on my dresser, My Boker 440C camp knife, my Camillus 440A C4 saw scout, and me Remington 440A Trailhand were not even remotely effected.

I am now officially sick of carbon steel. I really love old traditional pocketknives, and I love the edge I can get on 1095 with just an Arkansas stone. I also adore the look of a blade with a nice dark patina. But it just isn't worth it, for knives that I actually plan on using. This exact same thing happened to me last year also, and three of four GEC's were forever pitted. I went camping last summer, spent a rainy two days in a tent, and couldn't keep up with the rust forming on my Texas Camp Knife.

I've never liked Case's soft Tru-Sharp all that much, so Case is now pretty much eliminated from my purchasing decisions altogether, other than the occasional model with upgraded steel.

I'm also done with 99% of the GEC knives that are manufactured. I love GEC with all my heart. I really do. But I just can't stomach the heartache of not being able to use their knives for even a few summer days without ruining them. I have no interest in buying them, just to forever store them in dark dry room. That's not me.

So where does this leave me in the traditional knife world? I'm not totally sure. I only really collect American-made pocketknives, and there isn't much made in America anymore, that is of decent quality and features stainless steel.

Maybe Queen's D2 will surprise me, and not be effected like my carbon steel knives were. It's hard to say. Maybe I'll toss a D2 "test knife" in my bedroom for a couple days, and see what happens. But I'm not sure that I like the idea of buying Queens from the Internet, where I can't handle them first. And they aren't sold in stores locally.

I have a feeling that I'll be saving a whole lot of money from here on. I have a GEC #66 preorder still outstanding, and I'll pick up the Bladeforums knife this year, but I think that's it for me, in the world of carbon steel. I'm done with it. I'm sick of carbon steel and all of its issues. There's a good reason why stainless was invented.

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Buck has made some excellent folders in s30v lately, ZT knives are made in the US, an US made spyderco militaries and manix2 xl's while not exactly traditional, can be easily sharpened with a $35 investment in dmt diafold sharpening "stones"
 
My take home from this thread: if you live in a place where carbon steel rusts and you're not cool with that, sell 'em all and buy some SS.

Mods, shut 'er down! ;):cool::D
 
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