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My experience with Ann_Dem
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My house was broken into 5 years ago and $80,000+ dollars worth of custom knives were stolen.I have been looking for them for 5 years.Seems as though some would turn up.Not a one.jess Horns,Pardues,Randalls,Loveless,Moran were a fewthat were lost.pawnshops,Shows,dealershave yet to find a one.
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That's why I just LUV those "Tell us about your most expensive customs" threads. 
Prolly the same exact knife on ebay, however it did not sell as the auction did not meet reserve.
Further in my mind, there is still not 100% concrete evidence that Ann is Vlad, and/or Ann knew Vlad was a crook and/or they both worked together in this scheme.
I have also not seen any evidence or claim by a seller or maker who has positively identified any knives that Ann or Vlad has sold to anyone.
So, to me this is all conjecture/heresay and still has some reasonable doubt.
Its everyones right to give opinion here, but it seems rather silly to me that everyone is still tossing out feelings of owning stolen goods and the various Kingmenship ideas of how to feel better about themselves to include giveaways, selling and giving monies to charities etc. If any of you really would consider selling to another, what you think was stolen goods, and giving the $$ to charity you're really perpetuating the crime further by selling to another unsuspecting person.
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That's why I just LUV those "Tell us about your most expensive customs" threads.
Yeah, it probably isn't very smart to post about having multi-thousand dollar knives.
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Denial is a stinky cologne. . .
Your entitled to your position no matter how flawed.Who claimed the potential buyer's would not be informed of the knife's history?
I don't see how giving to charity perpetuates the crime further,you have a warped way of thinking.If you truly read the thread carefully providing the evidence and viewed all the picture proof posted, any rational person can confidently come to the conclusion that Ann was Vlad.
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How in the hell is any seller going to sell a knife that he prefaces with "I'm pretty sure its stolen", you're saying hunt for a buyer with NO ethics ??
Giving money to a charity is not dumb, selling a stolen knife to a suspecting or non-suspecting buyer is dumb.
For sake of argument, lets say Ann IS Vlad, now show me the thread that 100% proves any of the knives were stolen and identified as such...(maybe I'm just too stupid to find it)
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It's not that you're stupid, it's just that like Karsten, you have blinders on.
"stinky cologne" ---Now theres a good screen ID for sure. I would probably be better off here on BF If I had 8-10,000 posts under my belt, then I might be "one of the boys".
I guess, come to think of it, if I just agreed w/everyone that had high post counts I'd be better off
LOL
I guess, come to think of it, if I just agreed w/everyone that had high post counts I'd be better off
LOL
unfortunetly, that is truer than it ought to be, but...
here it is a little different. the mass of evidence gathered by Gig shows that there are major similaritied between ann_dem's posting style and Vlad's. there are also correlations of knives listed and sold on various fora.
the next step is for the people who have recieved knives (especially customs) from ann_dem to get together with dealers/makers who have been ripped off by Vlad. some of that has already happened. and the results are:
Either Ann_dem IS Vlad OR working with Vlad. the knives are the same. or they are so similar that someone (ann_dem) went out of His/Her way to make them seem that way.
Most customs are one of a kind.
If you're so sure of "Ann's" innocence or possible innocence and you're content with your transaction with "Ann," why do you continue to come back to this thread ?
Surely, you can see that you're one of very few that share the same opinion. So, your minority status has nothing to do with post count.
wolfmann601
Gone, but not forgotton. RIP Ira.
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U.S. law says property belongs to the owner. If it's stolen that doesn't change ownership; it still belongs to the owner. If the thief sells it that still doesn't change ownership; he didn't own it and wasn't entitled to sell it. No matter how many times it gets resold it still belongs to the owner, and if the owner can identify his property he can get it back. (Eventually. It's often held for evidence but after the trial it's returned to the owner.)
Oh rest my heart!!!! Knives like that just sitting around an evidence room. Oh they would never be safe there, with all the humidity, dirt, dust, and other contaminants. Best to take them all home (late at night) and put them in MY safe with my collection until the Court finally resolves all those motions concerning ownership. Especially the one that takes years when the Defendant claims he now owns all those knives because he paid full restitution to the victims. man, that could take 20 years (or more) and I would hate to see a collection of knives so fine just turn to rust buckets....
Yup, best keep them at home and of course keep that fact a secret to insure the "evidence" remains safe now in it's "secret" location!!!!
***I would put more smileys here to make certain everyone knows I am not serious but after four my PC crashes!!!
wolfmann601
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Sadly you probably were searching in the wrong Country..............
I gotta add to LRJ35A that he needs to stop expecting to find the "smoking gun". In most cases, circumstantial evidence is what the jury gets and it's that circumstantial evidence they anaylze, give it the appropriate weight and then determine if the Good Guys in the white hats have eet their burden by proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty.
While one could indict a ham sanwich before any Grand Jury, the whole ball of wax is what the State has to present as proof at Trial. With what Gig discovered and provided us, even without a slew of experts to give it more prosecutorial (new word, not in the dictionary) merit, I as a non Lawyer could convict a ham sandwich!!!!!
**Edited because my spelling sucks........and it still does, Doh'!!!
I must agree giving a stolen good to charity is not allowed.The court can confiscate criminall goods and sell it in an auction.
Untill now against Ann and I mean not Vlad there is not one proof that SHE committed an illegal thing.A thief has to steal something from the owner.What knife from whom?
I never delt with Ann-Dem, I read the first posts saying people thought she was Vlad when I joined and it just sounded like 2 much of a coinsodence. Gigone very nice detective work.
For those who bought knives from her especially high end ones or ones easily identifiable, my advice to you before selling, disposing of a knife you got from her. Talk to a lawyer, and not just any lawyer, but the one who you will want to represent you if this ever goes to trial. I am sure that if she/ he was being investagated that all knife forums are or will be scoured for evidence. Since this thread has made everyone aware that they are potentially in reciept of stolen property the responsibility now falls on them to safeguard those knives as potential evidence. I hope that if their is an investigation going on that they never look here because it will cause alot of good members not only the knives they bought but money and time as they get ensnared in the investigation.
For those who bought knives from her especially high end ones or ones easily identifiable, my advice to you before selling, disposing of a knife you got from her. Talk to a lawyer, and not just any lawyer, but the one who you will want to represent you if this ever goes to trial. I am sure that if she/ he was being investagated that all knife forums are or will be scoured for evidence. Since this thread has made everyone aware that they are potentially in reciept of stolen property the responsibility now falls on them to safeguard those knives as potential evidence. I hope that if their is an investigation going on that they never look here because it will cause alot of good members not only the knives they bought but money and time as they get ensnared in the investigation.
If you're so sure of "Ann's" innocence or possible innocence and you're content with your transaction with "Ann," why do you continue to come back to this thread ?
Surely, you can see that you're one of very few that share the same opinion. So, your minority status has nothing to do with post count.
Gig,
I'm not proclaiming Ann's innocence. I'm making remarks that I'M not 100% sure she knowingly bought knives that were stolen. I think she found what were hellacious good deals from someone and in typical Jewish fashion(read GREED) she came here to BF to flip them.
You have great patience and a good skill set for research, however I don't think everyone should be 100% positive of her guilt until ALL of the facts are presented, to include the SELLERS who were screwed by whatever foreign entity.
You're focusing on me as a defender of Ann, when in fact without your great research I wouldn't be looking into this matter with a microscope.
BTW, this world would suck if we all had the same opinions, on everything.
Cheers & Happy New Year
PS: Bet, I get to the bottom of this matter soon...