My first Kizer

So is that why you ignored my email about a stripped screw on my 4401?

I made sure that all the screws were properly tightened and one stripped since the screws aren't heat treated, so apparently it's my fault right? Since you use soft screws, it's my fault when they strip under 1/2 pound of torque?

Seems like a swing and a miss for the warranty department...
 
That is sorta what I thought Kizer. And I guess I told on myself about taking mine apart, but that's fine as I said I have never used the warranty with any knife I have ever bought, and from what I've experienced with the two Kizer's I have, I would not need it anyway.

Btw, I've seen one poster say that the screws used are titanium, is that true, or are they steel?

Bender, sorry to hear you are having trouble with the screw. Didn't Kizer (David)say they would be ordering some parts to have on hand? Hope you get the situation rectified.:thumbup::)
 
Btw, I've seen one poster say that the screws used are titanium, is that true, or are they steel?

Bender, sorry to hear you are having trouble with the screw. Didn't Kizer (David)say they would be ordering some parts to have on hand? Hope you get the situation rectified.:thumbup::)

The screws on my 3404 were magnetic, so I don't think so. My 4401 I haven't taken apart so I can't say.

David asked me what email I sent my message to. I told him a few posts back, and I never got a response.

When I got my 4401 I hardly turned the screw on the pocket clip and it stripped instantly. I want new screws so I can replace this stripped one and in case any others strip.

I sent this:

"From: xxx <xxx@yahoo.com>
Date: March 1, 2014 2:29:37 AM CST
To: "kizer.williamzeng@gmail.com" <kizer.williamzeng@gmail.com>
Subject: Screws

Hi I recently bought a kizer ki4401x and while tightening the pocket clip I stripped the screw. *Could I get replacement screws?

Thanks,
xxx"


Never got a response back...
 
I love my 3404, it's grown on me some since getting it, but I will say that the clip screw stripped out badly on my when I flipped it to tip-up carry.

I use nice Wiha drivers and have good technique, but the combination of soft screws and thread locker made for a stripped-out mess of a screw head. I ended up just using a dremel to put a notch across it and turning it out with a flat head, but with so much thread locker in the knife, tougher screws would be appreciated.
 
Hi, Blue:

I posted previously (3/1112014 6:18PM PST) in this thread for you to contact myself for the screw issue, I have not received any emails regarding this issue at the email inbox I listed in the post.

I do not have access to the email inbox you sent the original email to which was why I asked you to email me at Kizer@tbt-gd.com or through the BF email system which goes to the same email box. Spare screws are enroute and I am keeping track of those who have contacted me about needing them.

thanks.

Kizer
 
I just hit the order button for a Kizer Ki5401A2, that should be here Thursday/Friday. This will be the first all ti framelocker from Kizer. This is the one I have been talking about in the past few posts. I thought it had a 4.7" blade, but found out that blade length was measured from center of pivot to blade tip. Actual blade length is 4.1" as measured by Extreme Addiction. Blade thickness is .177" so it may not be the best slicer, but I will not be slicing with it anyway. Weighs in at 8.4 ounces and I have absolutely no problem with that, just means there is a lot of material there!:thumbup:

So I will be reporting back on this once it has arrived.

 
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Hi, Blue:

I posted previously (3/1112014 6:18PM PST) in this thread for you to contact myself for the screw issue, I have not received any emails regarding this issue at the email inbox I listed in the post.

I do not have access to the email inbox you sent the original email to which was why I asked you to email me at Kizer@tbt-gd.com or through the BF email system which goes to the same email box. Spare screws are enroute and I am keeping track of those who have contacted me about needing them.

thanks.

Kizer

Sorry about that, I must have missed that part. Sending email ASAP.

I love both my Kizers but the 2 things I find wrong with them are 1) soft screws and 2) tip down carry (which I know kizer is working on for 2014). I can deal with tip down carry, but soft screws...not so much...

However, I would still buy another kizer and just take it easy on the screws. I just hope the future models will have heat treated screws, or at least harder ones.
 
Got my new Kizer 4403G in today. I really like the blade grind on this.

 
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Sorry about that, I must have missed that part. Sending email ASAP.

I love both my Kizers but the 2 things I find wrong with them are 1) soft screws and 2) tip down carry (which I know kizer is working on for 2014). I can deal with tip down carry, but soft screws...not so much...

However, I would still buy another kizer and just take it easy on the screws. I just hope the future models will have heat treated screws, or at least harder ones.

Hi, blues bender:

Email received. I will update you once I have the parts in stock.

thanks.

Kizer.
 
I want a Ki5414A1. Where can I get one?! These are schweet!

cutter17 - awesome. I'm just floored by the quality! The colors they got on that handle are dead sexay!
 
I want a Ki5414A1. Where can I get one?! These are schweet!

cutter17 - awesome. I'm just floored by the quality! The colors they got on that handle are dead sexay!


AntDog, is the Ki5404A1 the one you are looking for? It has a black G-10 scale, and the titanium framelock scale. If so then check with knifeworks.com, a BF dealer.

At the same time I am going to go ahead and give my first impressions of the Kizer Phantom Ki5401A2 that arrived earlier today.

First thing out of the box you know you have a heavy knife, and at 8.4 ounces it should be. But this weight does not bother me as I like a heavier knife for the solid feel it imparts. A cursory glance shows that the blade is centered in the closed position, something a lot of folks, me included, like to see. Screw heads are all even with one another, another good mark in my book. Scales are nicely anodized with a light violet/purple color bordering the center area which is sorta speckled with blue and brownish red marks against a grayish background. While very pretty, I would have been just as happy with the natural grey finish of bead blasted titanium.

Opening the blade with the flipper allows the blade to go all the way open and end with a nice crack as the lock moves over. Of course I can't just leave it at that so I begin to take it down. The screws are tight, but I make sure that the torx driver is fitting in the screw correctly and then slowly turn the screw until it snaps loose. Do that for the other three and then the clip screw. There is very little if any loctite on the screws and that is how I like it. But the pivot screw is a different animal as it does have loctite, plenty of loctite. With a little patience though I do get it out and clean it of the loctite then screw the pivot in and out with my fingers a few times to make sure everything is cleaned out. Now I begin the process of removing the top scale. The standoffs are made so that they fit into the scale,something that I think strengthens the frame, and this makes me have to work to remove it. It finally pops off so that I can get to the blade and the washers. The only thing I change from factory specs is to give the lockbar more bend. Something I do to most of my knives since it makes a tighter lock. Pivot, washers, inside scales, and blade pivot hole area get polished with polishing compound and my Dremel tool. Once all of this is done I put it back together with some Miltec lubricant. Putting the top scale back on, it just snaps into place like those old model cars I used to put together...no glue needed!:D It is little things like this that impress me and speak to the quality that is there.:thumbup:

Once back together I begin to flip it and tighten the pivot a little, flip again, tighten a little more, and again, until I hit the sweet spot for me, which is pretty firm. Lockup is tight and this is what I wanted when I put more bend into the lockbar. It was not a lot of bend, but enough to give me that tight lockup. Lockbar is ~.170" thick while the blade is .177" thick at it's thickest point being the lock up spot on the blade tang. Lockbar comes over to cover about 1/3rd of the blade tang, so there is plenty of room for wear. The fit/finish is excellent, 'nuff said. The edge grinds are evenly done on both sides and out of the box it would slice newsprint into thin strips with no problem. The swedge grind is also even from one side to the other. One thing I like about Kizer is they do not mark up the blades with a lot of writing. Front side has KIZER with the stylized K, and found on the blade flat just ahead of the thumb stud. Also on the front down where the blade meets handle you find S35VN in small letters. Flip it over and in the same area that you find S35VN, there is the model number Ki5401A2, also in small print. All in all a very nicely done blade.:thumbup:

Overall I can find nothing wrong with this knife. There are things I wish it had different, but these are just personal tastes, and as it is, it is an excellently built knife. I will have no problem in putting this knife in my right front pocket. It may be a long heavy knife, but it is not an overly thick knife and should ride just fine.

I'm happy with the 2 bills I spent to get this knife, and feel I got more than my money's worth!:thumbup::)
 
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At the same time I am going to go ahead and give my first impressions of the Kizer Phantom Ki5401A2 that arrived earlier today.

I'm happy with the 2 bills I spent to get this knife, and feel I got more than my money's worth!:thumbup::)

Hi, Cutter17:

Thank you for the mini review, very glad to hear you are happy with your new purchase and thank you for your continued support.

Kizer.
 
You are welcome Kizer. Keep building good knives and I will keep buying them.

AntDog, also try Extreme Addiction for the Kizer knife you are looking for if the one I steered you torwards isn't it. I think he can probably order it for you quicker than anyone else.
 
Any luck AntDog?

This big knife is a flipping dream. Just a medium push will open the blade everytime, and this is wjth me having tightened the blade some. I can't really find any faults in this knife, and I have looked. I'm sold on Kizer sp far!

Btw, Kizer you might want to consider a couple of pass arounds as Rea tea (sp?) is getting ready to start one. A great way to get the knife into the hands of folks who might be sitting on the fence about Kizer!:thumbup::)
 
Any word on any upcoming models with a bearings system? That is literally the ONLY reason I havent bought a Kizer yet.



The new washers that were offered would require you to disassemble the knife to install them. Would that not mean the knife manufacturer is encouraging you to void your warranty? Is that correct, or has Kizer offered new washers because they know you have already voided your warranty?

The things I ponder.... I do disassemble all my knives, it is just what I do, and I've never used the warranty for any knife I have owned. Both of my Kizer's were disassembled and cleaned because of the sticky action, and now both glide out like they were on bearings. I will do the same for the Ki5401A2 that is coming next week!


well here is the thing. A line needs to be drawn in the sand somewhere especially being a company not based in the USA. Im not saying Kizer should have or should not have voided this guys warranty. And while I commend him on his honest it unfortunately is his Achilles heel. Lets say the knife was taken apart for cleaning and reassembled. There would be normally no hard evidence the knife had been disassembled. But he went and confessed that he polished the washers. This qualifies as a modification. A modification is past that line in the sand. At this point we dont know or more importantly Kizer doesnt know the qualifications of the person doing the polishing. And any time you modify something even if only slightly there could be errors that occur. Now at this point kizer is being asked to warranty a product and replace parts that may not have had to be replaced had the customer not done what they did. Im not saying this is what ultimately occurred but they have every reason to think it could be a possibility. If the knife was unsatisfactory from the get go, it should have been returned, exchanged or sent in for warranty BEFORE deciding to take matters into your own hands. Right now with the limited information I have I have to assume that Kizer voided the warranty not because it was taken apart but because it was taken apart and parts were modified. I know more than anyone how being honest can put you in a worse situation than you started and feel cheated because you thought you were doing the right thing, but with any choice we make we have to accept the consequences of that choice especially when we know beforehand what consequences could potentially occur. IMHO by proceeding to modify a knife in any way you essentially say your willing to forfeit that warranty.
 
I've just heard that they are, but that is all I know. Maybe at BLADE 2014??

I would LOVE to see Kizer donate a knife, or two even, for a pass-around like Rea Te is going to be doing. I know it would be to their benefit to get their product into the hands of people sitting on the fence, maybe even, dare I say it, some naysayer's.:thumbup::)

Step up Kizer, it will be nothing but good!
 
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