My Knife Spooked My Co-worker

While I completely support our right to carry knives, I really dislike the "knives don't kill, people do" line. It makes us sound insincere, or worse, foolish. Why do we prohibit ownership of explosives like grenades, bazookas, rockets, guided missiles and the like by civilians? They're "just tools" and positively can't hurt humans without being activated by another human. Continuing that logic, why do we prohibit ownership of any inanimate object like drugs and the like? They can't possibly hurt anybody without human intervention.

This "nothing but a tool" argument is not gonna win you any convert. What would bring people over is a friendly attitude and patience to explain (and demonstrate) how useful a knife is, and that it's not simply a weapon. You need to make people think "he's a great guy but he carries a knife, so a knife can't be that bad" instead of "that jerk carries a knife, no wonder".

Remember, these people vote too. If you insist on being a ninja and a boor, someday they might require concealed carry permit for all knives. Yes, it's constitutional. If they can do that to handguns, they can surely do it to knives.
 
Sep said:
Yes, it's constitutional. If they can do that to handguns, they can surely do it to knives.
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No... it's not. The majority of people have been fooled into believing so.
 
Luis G. said:
So screw the rights of others to a safe environment because you want to carry a knife. :thumbup: Your rights end where my rights begin, just to let you know buddy.

Typical human, inconsiderate and far too emotionally attached to their "rights" that they fail to see they have NO natural rights (just as bunny has no rights to live when a wolf is hungry) that have NOT been given by society.

Personally if I was asked to put away my knife, I would do so out of consideration for the other human being regardless of how bitchy or illogical their request if I was carrying a utility tool.

Out of the comments above most that are pro-telling the "nosy woman" to "shut the f* up" (if I am not mistaken some said to even hurt her?) and mind her business are probably the kind of people to have quick tempers and exactly the candidate for using that knife on others or perhaps just for intimidation. After all they are upset she was "nosy", imagine if the aggressive people had been fired due to her.

So in the end. :jerkit: We have majority rule.

Edit: Exactly, rational people. Not people who become aggressive when their "right" to carry a knife becomes threatened. Seriously.
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Oh brother.....:barf:
 
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There have been many interesting and valid opinions expressed in this thread. I think it is healthy for us to hear different values and perspectives. I believe there is strength in diversity… :thumbup:
 
timberweasel said:
there is strength in diversity… :thumbup:
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Not really... That's another myth we've been slowly indoctrinated with until it is accepted as truth.

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hardheart said:
Luis, your posts are becoming a discomfort, please show some self restraint to maintain our civilized society.
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....amen to that comment!

Had I known this was going to generate this much "You're nothing but a bunch of knuckle draggers and shouldn't own a knife" rants on here, I wouldn't have post it....but, either way, I stand by my actions:thumbup:.....nuff said.
 
Sep said:
While I completely support our right to carry knives, I really dislike the "knives don't kill, people do" line. It makes us sound insincere, or worse, foolish. Why do we prohibit ownership of explosives like grenades, bazookas, rockets, guided missiles and the like by civilians? They're "just tools" and positively can't hurt humans without being activated by another human. Continuing that logic, why do we prohibit ownership of any inanimate object like drugs and the like? They can't possibly hurt anybody without human intervention.
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Yes, you are right, bombs, missiles etc. can't hurt anybody by themselves, however I think the reason we control them is that they can, if misused (either intentionally or accidentally), cause widespread and severe damage and harm to people/country's infrastructure/environment in a short period of time. It is not possible to do that with knives -- you can wield two knives at the same time at the most, but you can carry a bag of bombs with you and use that to threaten to rob a bank already.

This "nothing but a tool" argument is not gonna win you any convert. What would bring people over is a friendly attitude and patience to explain (and demonstrate) how useful a knife is, and that it's not simply a weapon. You need to make people think "he's a great guy but he carries a knife, so a knife can't be that bad" instead of "that jerk carries a knife, no wonder".

Remember, these people vote too. If you insist on being a ninja and a boor, someday they might require concealed carry permit for all knives. Yes, it's constitutional. If they can do that to handguns, they can surely do it to knives.
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Good points, I agree, a friendly attitude builds rapport, and hopefully eventually, support as well.
 
timberweasel said:
There have been many interesting and valid opinions expressed in this thread. I think it is healthy for us to hear different values and perspectives. I believe there is strength in diversity… :thumbup:
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Well said. The moderator's restraint during this exchange has been admirable, too.
 
bchan77 said:
Yes, you are right, bombs, missiles etc. can't hurt anybody by themselves, however I think the reason we control them is that they can, if misused (either intentionally or accidentally), cause widespread and severe damage and harm to people/country's infrastructure/environment in a short period of time. It is not possible to do that with knives -- you can wield two knives at the same time at the most, but you can carry a bag of bombs with you and use that to threaten to rob a bank already.
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According to "just a tool" logic we can't prohibit bombs because they can't rob banks and destroy stuff, people do.

You see how silly this "just a tool" argument is?
 
bombs cant destroy :confused:..... mmmmmkay

i think the intent on 'knives as tools' is more about how the person views knives subjective to themselves
as in they personally do not view / carry knives neccessarily as weapons in their day to day life however they at the
same time do know that a knife "may" be used as a weapon they just don't state it explicitly- ie they never intended to say knives 'arent ever' a weapon.
 
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Charlie Mike said:
Not really... That's another myth we've been slowly indoctrinated with until it is accepted as truth.
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I recommend that you read 'The Book of Five Rings' by Miyamoto Musashi if you haven't already. It speaks to the idea that there is a tool for every task, and one should learn not be biased when selecting 'the right tool.'

Cheers!
 
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Charlie Mike said:
Not really... That's another myth we've been slowly indoctrinated with until it is accepted as truth.

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Who is that guy in that video.. just wow.
What is wrong with speaking several languages, and labeling yourself as a black-american, white-american, etc. Our unity, and similarities lie in our humanity, not in being "American" or "French" or "African".
It lies in knowing instinctively we need that work together to grow, not that we need to assimilate into one culture, one language. Languages come and go, time has taught us that. Countries (empires, dynasties, w.e you want to call it) come and go, time has shown us that. But humanity, has lasted and that is something time has shown us.
How much longer will we last if we try to unite the world into one banner by persecuting others different to us? Yes let's unite, but you guys over there nope your not wanted go away or we pursue you. Serious, fail, logic.

timberweasel said:
I recommend that you read 'The Book of Five Rings' by Miyamoto Musashi if you haven't already. It speaks to the idea that there is a tool for every task, and one should learn not be biased when selecting 'the right tool.'

Cheers!
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Other great content to read:
Master-slave Morality- by Nietzsche
Art of War- SunTzu
 
Sep said:
While I completely support our right to carry knives, I really dislike the "knives don't kill, people do" line. It makes us sound insincere, or worse, foolish. Why do we prohibit ownership of explosives like grenades, bazookas, rockets, guided missiles and the like by civilians? They're "just tools" and positively can't hurt humans without being activated by another human.
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They are prohibited primarily because they are weapons. Weapons are tools with one function to perform. I would like to see the BATF raid your kitchen counter and confiscate that assault knife block holding all those dangerous weapons, since knives serve only one purpose as well.

They are also prohibited because they are all explosives. Not only is the item as a whole designed to be dangerous, the base materials are. Let me know when a knife in the environment is in fact dangerous all on it's own like explosives are. Forgetting you have a knife stored next to your furnace is not the same as forgetting you have a pound of semtex there. Leaving a knife in your trunk and getting into an accident will not have the same implications as leaving a claymore next to the spare tire. Twenty years from now your pocketknife may have some rust and not open properly. Twenty years from now the explosives in your RPG may be rather unstable and all over the floor.
 
hardheart said:
They are prohibited primarily because they are weapons. Weapons are tools with one function to perform. I would like to see the BATF raid your kitchen counter and confiscate that assault knife block holding all those dangerous weapons, since knives serve only one purpose as well.

They are also prohibited because they are all explosives. Not only is the item as a whole designed to be dangerous, the base materials are. Let me know when a knife in the environment is in fact dangerous all on it's own like explosives are. Forgetting you have a knife stored next to your furnace is not the same as forgetting you have a pound of semtex there. Leaving a knife in your trunk and getting into an accident will not have the same implications as leaving a claymore next to the spare tire. Twenty years from now your pocketknife may have some rust and not open properly. Twenty years from now the explosives in your RPG may be rather unstable and all over the floor.
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Fail argument. First off kitchen knives stay... well in the kitchen, obviously unless you are AT your kitchen the knife is NOT an accessible weapon as an EDC knife. You don't go parading them in public, because if you did chances are police would confiscate them just as them would if you were parading a bowie knife.

Second let's not get into the there's way worse stuff therefore this isn't too bad fallacy NOR the then since the principals are the same then way worse stuff should be okay fallacy. Knives are weapons, that means kitchen knives too. It is how we use those knives that determines whether it is a dangerous. Carrying it on you, is a risk as I said before in a confrontation carrying a weapon is a double edged sword, it CAN be used against you or others.

So it is perfectly safe for someone to request you put it away, or don't bring it somewhere.

@ The unconstitutional comment
As mentioned already however the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution is Constitutional. This means knives=can be banned constitutionally.
Remember most banned substances/weapons CAN theoretically be obtained, however it's not their fault their printing press that prints the permits may be down or not operating due to holiday, or only print out a few permits once in a while. :cool:
 
hardheart said:
well that was nice of them
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I know right, well hey what can you do it is in the Constitution that the Supreme Court have that power. So unless anyone wants to be unconstitutional and unpatriotic like terrorists are, enjoy it.
See what I did there. :D
 
Luis G,

While I respect your opinion and that you have a right to it, I believe you have made it abundantly clear on where you stand on the issue. Perhaps it would be wise to be satisfied with this and step aside on this thread. I would like to read opinions from others as well. You cannot bludgeon a square peg into a round hole and expect no resistance. I hope you did not take this as a cruel criticism.

Best regards
 
Luis G. said:
I know right, well hey what can you do it is in the Constitution that the Supreme Court have that power. So unless anyone wants to be unconstitutional and unpatriotic like terrorists are, enjoy it.
See what I did there. :D
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It's obvious you don't know that the US Supreme Court has made some terrible decisions, like the Dred Scot decision, that lead to the Civil War. It's not uncommon for them to reverse their own decisions. You sure don't sound like a lawyer, and watching a bit of one of your Youtube videos, it's all but certain that you aren't. Your opinions on legal matters are nothing more than uninformed opinions, at best. And your conclusions based on your lack of knowledge of how the US Supreme Court has interpreted the US Constitution is laughable at best, and I'm trying to be charitable when I say laughable. At this point, you have become a bit of an irritant, and nothing more. Have an enjoyable evening.
 
hardheart said:
They are prohibited primarily because they are weapons. Weapons are tools with one function to perform. I would like to see the BATF raid your kitchen counter and confiscate that assault knife block holding all those dangerous weapons, since knives serve only one purpose as well.

They are also prohibited because they are all explosives. Not only is the item as a whole designed to be dangerous, the base materials are. Let me know when a knife in the environment is in fact dangerous all on it's own like explosives are. Forgetting you have a knife stored next to your furnace is not the same as forgetting you have a pound of semtex there. Leaving a knife in your trunk and getting into an accident will not have the same implications as leaving a claymore next to the spare tire. Twenty years from now your pocketknife may have some rust and not open properly. Twenty years from now the explosives in your RPG may be rather unstable and all over the floor.
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You are missing the point.

Agreeing with "knives don't kill, people do" is agreeing with "guided missiles don't kill, people do". An explosive doesn't explode by itself if it's properly maintained, and if it isn't then the owner is at fault. As long as we insist that the problem is only with people, then logically there should not be restriction of ownership to any weapon. The most dangerous weapon in the world won't kill if the owner is competent and good, right?

Besides, insisting only on people can backfire. Let's say I take the argument that "knives don't kill, people do" at face value. If I propose a legislation that requires a permit (and background check) to carry a knife, you can't say no because I'm tackling the people problem. I'm making an effort to keep bad people away from carrying knives. Just like handguns, ownership of knives at home or place of business would not require a permit, but it would everywhere else.

Let's be reasonable here.

Switchblades and balisongs got prohibited because old school gangbangers used them. The last thing we need now is a jerk carrying a tactical knife scaring the ladies. That's not gonna end good.
 
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