My next Russ Andrews knife

I really like the Loveless Bear knives, but this one is Russ's all the way. I have a great deal of confidence that the subhilt will compliment the overall design of the knife.
 
STeven,
IMO, Loveless knives demonstrate a thorough attention to design
detail found nowhere else in the industry.
The subhilt I had at "Blade" and the one I'm making for Keith are
offered with complete respect for the design and designer, and
done with an attempt to compliment the piece and comfortably
accomodate the hand ( R or L ).

This style of guard, being a "J" or modified "S" would not properly
accomodate lugs....
 
Russ Andrews said:
....and
done with an attempt to compliment the piece and comfortably
accomodate the hand ( R or L ).

This style of guard, being a "J" or modified "S" would not properly
accomodate lugs....
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Appreciate your thoughtful response, Russ.

As you know, I have nothing but respect for you as a person, and sit in awe of your skills, but have also learned that the give-and-take of clearly stated ideas and resultant discourse can sometimes shake loose little bits of unintended greatness.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
With regard to the comparison of the two knives, I would say they are two completely different concepts, with a commonality only in the the use of a secondary guard. To compare the two therefore seems arbitrary. I would guess the primary purpose of the Stag Carver subhilt is to explore a rarely seen feature in large bowies, and I would say with certainty that there was no attempt to emulate the Loveless design.

Cheers,

Stephen
 
Stephen F said:
and I would say with certainty that there was no attempt to emulate the Loveless design.

Cheers,

Stephen
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ALL subhilts are an attempt to emulate the Loveless design...if you think about it carefully....because if there was no Loveless subhilt, it is entirely possible that there would be no subhilt at all, and certainly not as elegant as Mr. Loveless's....he is an absolute master of knife design..there is no "folk" in his art. People will be emulating Loveless designs for at least the next 50 years, whether they know it or not.

There are some things that are completely original, and some things that are derivative......as Russ has stated, he admires Loveless's design, and by that, may seek to refine and change the design to suit his goals....so this is entirely NOT arbitrary....and the comments were valid. If Russ lived in a cave, and never saw any Loveless designs, THEN the statement would be arbitrary.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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Kohai999 said:
ALL subhilts are an attempt to emulate the Loveless design...if you think about it carefully....because if there was no Loveless subhilt, it is entirely possible that there would be no subhilt at all, and certainly not as elegant as Mr. Loveless's....he is an absolute master of knife design..there is no "folk" in his art. People will be emulating Loveless designs for at least the next 50 years, whether they know it or not.

There are some things that are completely original, and some things that are derivative......as Russ has stated, he admires Loveless's design, and by that, may seek to refine and change the design to suit his goals....so this is entirely NOT arbitrary....and the comments were valid. If Russ lived in a cave, and never saw any Loveless designs, THEN the statement would be arbitrary.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
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Steven, I tend to choose my words very carefully, and the word emulate was chosen in that manner. To emulate is to try to compete against, equal, or improve upon the reference in question - it is very much a conscious action.

Whilst no one will argue about the influence of Loveless and the likes of the Bear class sub-hilts, I do not accept that there has been any attempt to compete against, improve upon, or equal the Loveless design. The secondary hilt is the only connecting factor, and due to the various subhilt designs that can found on the web and elsewhere it is very possible for anyone to have designed a subhilt without ever hearing of Mr Loveless or seeing one of his knives.
:D:D

Cheers,

Stephen

(Don't you just love having a spare ten mintues:D)
 
This is the double twist piece that will be used for the guard, cap and subhilt.

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L6 bound with iron wire, between two pieces of O1/15N20 at 156 layers each.

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After being welded.

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Drawn to about 10 1/2" and 3/8" thick. From here, the blade will be spherodized, the scale removed and the pattern filed in, then reforged flat.
Reforging after the pattern is cut in will further lengthen the piece.

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A question for Russ. Why did you wire the final billet components together rather than welding them?
 
Joe,
Binding with iron wire is just how I learned to do it
in the absence of an arc welder......probably should
get one...(!)...
 
Stephen F said:
The secondary hilt is the only connecting factor, and due to the various subhilt designs that can found on the web and elsewhere it is very possible for anyone to have designed a subhilt without ever hearing of Mr Loveless or seeing one of his knives.
:D:D

Cheers,

Stephen

(Don't you just love having a spare ten mintues:D)
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Totally agree.
 
The first image shows the blade drawn nearly to length, and etched, showing the L6 core, and the O1/15N20 outer layers.....approximately 3/8" thick.

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Here Russ is beginning the file cuts which will cause the pattern.

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Staggered file cuts, the full length of the blade.

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Forged flat again forcing the pattern into the blade. The L6 core showing as a serpentine line. Finished thickness at the ricasso will be a little less than 1/4". Blade is just over 10".

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Well, the knife is progressing very well. In these images the edge is ground to near final thickness, the bevels and ricasso are polished at 120X and etched just enough for a pretty good idea of what it will look like finished.

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that looks like a lot of fun.
I can tell you're having a good time, Keith:thumbup:
 
Dang, Russ!!!!! A welder isn't the only electrically powered device you need to get:eek: You are doing a lot of those steps old school:D
 
Joe, Slowly but surely,some of the old school things are
making way for newer (electric) ways......old dogs, etc.
 
Thanks, Bailey....this year we just decided...
We're gonna do it......period..!.....and it really was
a "WE" effort.
 
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