My thoughts on a Chris Reeve verses a Rick Hinderer

[Hans17]

Both AMAZING knives built with AMAZING quality. Retail on XMs is CRAZY but worth every penny at direct pricing.

Sebenza = lighter duty work, dress cloths. (White collar)
XM = Hard user, EDC, outdoors. (Blue collar)


-Hans

 

[cofade2black]

I was just wondering if any one of you could post up a YouTube video of you prying a door open with your Hinderer. Talk is one thing doing is another.

 

[Sufler]

Both AMAZING knives built with AMAZING quality. Retail on XMs is CRAZY but worth every penny at direct pricing.

Sebenza = lighter duty work, dress cloths. (White collar)
XM = Hard user, EDC, outdoors. (Blue collar)


-Hans

Right... and the Blue Collar will pay nearly three times more for a Hinderer than a Sebenza. Dumbest thing I've heard in a while. From what I understand, Hinderer favors the servicemen, they take priority, and offers them his actual retail price - that's the way it ought to be with any manufacturer.

Your "Blue Collar" drive a AMG Merc too, huh?

More likely to pick up a Kershaw or 110 from Wally World. Heck, I'm sure that carpenter's knife does a fine job too.

:grumpy:

 

[richstag]

This is a great photo and nice looking knives. Im not so much into overbuilt folders and I never even had an urge to go shopping past the large regular sebenza in this market. With that said, When I look at a knife like this all I see is the thin liner on one side and the THIN cutout to give the correct spring tension on the lock.

I don't see all the thick blade or the thick chunks of titanium elsewhere.

I often wonder when you see the weakest points are around the same thickness as some linerlock knives, where is the extra strength coming in?

This is a serious question too.

I have an EKI framelock that feels weaker than my EKI linerlocks.

Any thoughts?

Kevin

 

[marthinus]

I have to ask.

For those that say CRK is medium duty EDC what do you mean by this?

 

[emel]

:grumpy: where did these orange ones come from!? unless you just switched scales, if you didn't then.....:grumpy

All 3 came with orange scales, I have a few more than those 3

No comparison at all. CRK quality is so much higher that I'm suprised that this is even in this forum. I sold my Gen3 3.5" Hinderer because it had blade rub, and more importantly, a detent that was so weak that it would open in the pocket.

You probably had a second hand one that was not centered, maybe with the pivot too loose that the blade would rub. I carry mine tip up so the blade can't open in the pocket, anyway that is fixed on the latest Gen.4.

Right... and the Blue Collar will pay nearly three times more for a Hinderer than a Sebenza. Dumbest thing I've heard in a while. From what I understand, Hinderer favors the servicemen, they take priority, and offers them his actual retail price - that's the way it ought to be with any manufacturer.

Your "Blue Collar" drive a AMG Merc too, huh?

More likely to pick up a Kershaw or 110 from Wally World. Heck, I'm sure that carpenter's knife does a fine job too.

:grumpy:

With Blue collar, he probably means LEO's/Mil/EMT, they pay $385 and not so long ago the first responders received another 10% discount.

This is a great photo and nice looking knives. Im not so much into overbuilt folders and I never even had an urge to go shopping past the large regular sebenza in this market. With that said, When I look at a knife like this all I see is the thin liner on one side and the THIN cutout to give the correct spring tension on the lock.

I don't see all the thick blade or the thick chunks of titanium elsewhere.

I often wonder when you see the weakest points are around the same thickness as some linerlock knives, where is the extra strength coming in?

This is a serious question too. I have an EKI framelock that feels weaker than my EKI linerlocks.

Any thoughts?

Kevin

I guess most of the strenght comes from the 2 massive bladestops/thumbstuds that touch both sides, the lockside and the liner-g-10 scale, unlike on a (G-10) Strider, where the bladestop only hits the lockside, just to name one knife..

Also the pivot is overbuilt and obviously the Spanto blade is very thick, but even with a lot of force I don't see the lockbar cutout break, you don't put so much force on the top of the blade

And even in the unlikely event that the lock would fail there is a flipper to protect your fingers..

 

[Sufler]

With Blue collar, he probably means LEO's/Mil/EMT, they pay $385 and not so long ago the first responders received another 10% discount.

Yes. And, that's why I mentioned that servicemen take priority for Hinderer. Fact is: $385 isn't blue collar, either.

 

[emel]

The question if $385 for a knife is for white collar or blue collar people is not really up for discussion here but I think its a very good price for any high quality knife a CRK or a Hinderer.

I know blue collar people who pay more than double that money for the latest Iphone, but you can't cut anything with it and the knife will for sure hold more of its value even after many years.

 

[Sufler]

The question if $385 for a knife is for white collar or blue collar people is not really up for discussion here but I think its a very good price for any high quality knife a CRK or a Hinderer.

I know blue collar people who pay more than double that money for the latest Iphone, but you can't cut anything with it and the knife will for sure hold more of its value even after many years.

Dude, have you not read this entire thread? How dare you say it's not for discussion when the general point of this thread is exactly that? Show me a grunt out of basic who will drop $400 on a knife.

I wish you lots of luck on your Hinderer speculation.

 

[김원진]

i would think the people doing this have more important things going on rather than a photo op with a victim of some scenario

I was just wondering if any one of you could post up a YouTube video of you prying a door open with your Hinderer. Talk is one thing doing is another.

Seems you were fishing for a deal, and since you couldn't get what you wanted, now you're bashing the brand you wanted The good prices are out there, as well as shows. The people creating these types of threads seem to cry over spilt milk. Funny enough, one of my CRK's was more than my hinderer, and 2 of my other CRK's each were more than my other. Go fig. Both companies are great, but complaining because you're trying to find a valid reason aside from not wanting to pay the market price, like sisyphus absurd

Right... and the Blue Collar will pay nearly three times more for a Hinderer than a Sebenza. Dumbest thing I've heard in a while. From what I understand, Hinderer favors the servicemen, they take priority, and offers them his actual retail price - that's the way it ought to be with any manufacturer.
Your "Blue Collar" drive a AMG Merc too, huh?
More likely to pick up a Kershaw or 110 from Wally World. Heck, I'm sure that carpenter's knife does a fine job too.

:grumpy:

 

[emel]

@Suffler: I read the entire thread, a grunt out of basic won't buy any expensive knife on the other hand I also know service people who pay over $3000 for a custom Hinderer...and own multiple customs.

For some reason I always get bored from the whole pricing discussion, you should head over to the Hinderer subforum they will inform you that its bad etiquette to discuss pricing.

FYI I don't speculate on Hinderers, I collect them

@김원진

+1

 

[Sufler]

Seems you were fishing for a deal, and since you couldn't get what you wanted, now you're bashing the brand you wanted The good prices are out there, as well as shows. The people creating these types of threads seem to cry over spilt milk. Funny enough, one of my CRK's was more than my hinderer, and 2 of my other CRK's each were more than my other. Go fig. Both companies are great, but complaining because you're trying to find a valid reason aside from not wanting to pay the market price, like sisyphus absurd

Right. Because you've been tracking my posts. So, I posted about Spyderco Military/PM2 in the Spyderco forum too recently. With your reasoning, that means I'll come over to Hinderer and start bashing Hinderer now too because I'm considering getting a PM2. WTF are you talking about, dude? Stop your BS. I was learning about Hinderer - posted on the forum and e-mailed dealers to get an idea of how getting one works.

Are you this far off into space that you don't understand an average person won't drop that sort of money for a knife. That was my general point. I haven't bashed or taken sides to any brand. My point is price in general stemmed from Han's comment.

:disgust:

 

[emel]

@Sufler, Hans17 maybe put the words white/blue collar in that got you triggered, read jfoley4's post that answers all your questions about pricing.

after reading this whole thread there are a couple things that stand out.

both makers have many fans and followers, hence they are some of the biggest names in the knife world. You like what you like its part of the hobby. I just dont get why people get upset about things when they buy something, find out they dont like it, sell it for what they paid.

If you dont understand the hinderer pricing and secondary mark up you are living in a production world. Getting a knife at the makers table price is a privilege. if the demand is higher than the supply this happens.

crk obviously makes more knives, they are available on many websites as we speak.

 

[Jaytaylor]

Now look at the kitten and calm down guys.

 

[Sufler]

@Suffler: I read the entire thread, a grunt out of basic won't buy any expensive knife on the other hand I also know service people who pay over $3000 for a custom Hinderer...and own multiple customs.

For some reason I always get bored from the whole pricing discussion, you should head over to the Hinderer subforum they will inform you that its bad etiquette to discuss pricing.

FYI I don't speculate on Hinderers, I collect them

@김원진

+1

Let me guess... O pay grade? And you've made your point very clear - they own them... not necessarily use them. I would like to think that a serviceman who takes advantage of the ordering priority is doing so because of his/her immediate need for such a tool and its use.

And if you get bored with the (apparently multiple) pricing discussions you've had - why do you continue to break etiquette?

 

[Jaytaylor]

That's it guys, you've forced me to use the super cute kitten pic...

RubiconSS in his younger days -

 

[emel]

FYI Customs can't be ordered at direct pricing, and if people use them or not I don't know. I carry and use some of my customs, and even if I would not there is such thing called knife collecting, and I started no pricing discussion, I was just trying to answer your question.

If you need more info, read the sticky here, I am off finding me some more Hinderer knives

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/849-Rick-Hinderer-Knives

 

[Tim616]

It doesn't matter how much it costs, it matters what you like. I'm loaded and have a lot of CRKs and ZERO Hinderers, I know that Hinderers are great knives, extremely well spoken for and reviewed, I JUST DON'T LIKE THEM!!!


...So let's go ahead and quit the penis jousting fellas before the thread gets locked.

 

[Jaytaylor]

It doesn't matter how much it costs, it matters what you like. I'm loaded and have a lot of CRKs and ZERO Hinderers, I know that Hinderers are great knives, extremely well spoken for and reviewed, I JUST DON'T LIKE THEM!!!


...So let's go ahead and quit the penis jousting fellas before the thread gets locked.

This^^^^

CRK folders are nice and I appreciate the design & quality but, they just don't speak to me, I'm fairly luke-warm over the designs but Hinderer.......Oozes X factor for me.

Saying that, the Umn has started yelling at me....

 

[lisantica]

That's it guys, you've forced me to use the super cute kitten pic...

RubiconSS in his younger days -

I love where this thread went right when it got here!!!!!! What a cutie! Is he your avatar fella too, just grown up?