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Need Help Seller Refuses To Refund Me
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Sales thread for those interested:
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Reate District 9A
For sale only, no trades! Reate District 9A. NEVER OPENED/ADJUSTED STILL AN AWESOME KNIFE BUT HE NEEDS A HOME WHERE HE CAN WORK DONE. SO TIME TO LET HIM GO for a second time😱Note: this is being returned for a refund because the original buyer didn’t like it’s condition. Saying he expected more...
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For some reason he believes that the knife should work without it being taken apart and cleaned and that since i had it last and now it doesnt flip and it squeeks, that i am at fault and he cant sell it like this so hes keeping the money..
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As we can't see the original sale thread, it's difficult to see how the item was described.
To say it only cut three boxes indicates the knife is in otherwise near perfect condition, with the possible exception the edge and blade has three boxes worth of wear.
If the item was carried for years, and never cleaned or lubed, that should be disclosed.
Honesty an integrity are a key part of smooth sales and interactions here on BladeForums.
It would be good to see the original thread description and any other communication.
Lastly, an agreed upon return should also disclose the current condition. Its always a good thing to CYA.
The problem is, he edited the original thread and made changes as the knife was in route to him, after him seeing my pics of the wear and scratches so the revise sales thread now says it shows wear from carry but when it arrived and didnt flip open, thats when all this started
Sales thread for those interested:
Reate District 9A
For sale only, no trades! Reate District 9A. NEVER OPENED/ADJUSTED STILL AN AWESOME KNIFE BUT HE NEEDS A HOME WHERE HE CAN WORK DONE. SO TIME TO LET HIM GO for a second time😱Note: this is being returned for a refund because the original buyer didn’t like it’s condition. Saying he expected more...
I think it’s funny that
tajidragon
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goldie
, yet he’s got the damn thread edited and the knife is technically back up for sale!Poor form!
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That sales thread says nothing about the messed up action.
Hmmm.
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I’m sorry,
goldie
, The seller has thrown up various warnings during their tenure on Blade Forums.
You got a knife that was much less than advertised, and the seller has been evasive at matters of truth. I support you in your claim, but can’t help you otherwise.
I have a similar D9 knife in better condition if pictures help you with your claim.
goldie
, The seller has thrown up various warnings during their tenure on Blade Forums.You got a knife that was much less than advertised, and the seller has been evasive at matters of truth. I support you in your claim, but can’t help you otherwise.
I have a similar D9 knife in better condition if pictures help you with your claim.
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Mods should be able to see the edits and see what the post was changes from. If you haven't contacted them, it would be worth doing so.
I see
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Can anyone post a link for the knife resale thread?
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Pt. one let the nit so royal rumble begin. frankly i'm picking myself as the winner right off the break. i might not be the brightest bulb in the tree but i'm not even close to the dullest.
Goldie clearly based on our conversation by phone you are misrepresenting what you are saying/posting tantamount to lying. it wasn't caked with freaking lint dude that is a fact. you told me on the phone it had a lot of black gunk around the pivot area and i immediately disputed it because it wasn't true. you had to really look close to see what you called a lot... and if you just looked at the knife normally you wouldn't see it at all. that's a fact and directly conflicts your bs. you over dramatize stuff as if it is just as you say when often it is not. btw your own words above will prove this out.
he can mention impression all he wants but that is/was his assumption. those pictures he saw in no way looked like it was in excellent/newish condition. the photos again say otherwise lol lol lol. YOU SAW THEM AND ACCESSED THEM BEFORE YOU SAID I'LL TAKE IT! so, that's a flat out lie Goldie and it's not one you can talk around dude. LOL
as for the pictures you show above that's cool. yet why didn't you show the relevant pictures you saw in the original post. you know the ones you say you couldn't see all the scratches and condition of. (minus the dent) which wasn't visible just as you say. Thos are the photos you base your sneaky post on dude not the ones you took yourself which i was glad u did and told you so. didn't i say it was a good lesson for me to inspect the knives closer. yet, i wouldn't have that issue going forward with the rest of my knives for sale because they were not carried, most were not used much and others were brand new. does that sound like the 'TROOF" I wrote to you Goldie?
he had said in his own words that he had thought the knife would be in better condition. period not the version he just posted above in his own words. i had no problem with his reasoning and based on his pictures and his detailed inspection i agreed to the refund. Yet, he was not being honest when saying he couldn't see the condition of the knife in the pictures. the pictures showed a well carried blade. i know because i went back to check and as i expanded the photos that imugr allows you to do it shows those scratches etc. he speaks of clearly. they can't be hidden from that imugr and they are still there in the original post. i did admit in the email i had missed the small dent as he described it and photographed and took responsibility for that. you can just pick up that knife and flip it and put t in your pocket and take it out to set him dan and see that tiny dent. you just can't. you have to pick the knife up and examine it closely. isn't that right Goldie?
PT 2 TO FOLLOW AND END THIS SHARADE
Goldie clearly based on our conversation by phone you are misrepresenting what you are saying/posting tantamount to lying. it wasn't caked with freaking lint dude that is a fact. you told me on the phone it had a lot of black gunk around the pivot area and i immediately disputed it because it wasn't true. you had to really look close to see what you called a lot... and if you just looked at the knife normally you wouldn't see it at all. that's a fact and directly conflicts your bs. you over dramatize stuff as if it is just as you say when often it is not. btw your own words above will prove this out.
which gave me the impression it was in excellent if newish condition; got the knife it was heavily carried scratched up end to end ding on front bolster rear body screws were rusty,none of this was mentioned and it was caked with lint, black gunk where the blade goes into the pivot area.
My boxes comment was accurate as far as i recall. if i was mistaken it wasn't by much = two boxes max and that's a fact. i get 33lb boxes of dog food shipped to me and they use big, fitted boxes. i had 3 of them for sure the day i got frustrated with my bs knives and said fuck it i'll use the reate. until that day i had never used any knife i carried or kept cutting boxes or other stuff with like most of you do.he can mention impression all he wants but that is/was his assumption. those pictures he saw in no way looked like it was in excellent/newish condition. the photos again say otherwise lol lol lol. YOU SAW THEM AND ACCESSED THEM BEFORE YOU SAID I'LL TAKE IT! so, that's a flat out lie Goldie and it's not one you can talk around dude. LOL
as for the pictures you show above that's cool. yet why didn't you show the relevant pictures you saw in the original post. you know the ones you say you couldn't see all the scratches and condition of. (minus the dent) which wasn't visible just as you say. Thos are the photos you base your sneaky post on dude not the ones you took yourself which i was glad u did and told you so. didn't i say it was a good lesson for me to inspect the knives closer. yet, i wouldn't have that issue going forward with the rest of my knives for sale because they were not carried, most were not used much and others were brand new. does that sound like the 'TROOF" I wrote to you Goldie?
he had said in his own words that he had thought the knife would be in better condition. period not the version he just posted above in his own words. i had no problem with his reasoning and based on his pictures and his detailed inspection i agreed to the refund. Yet, he was not being honest when saying he couldn't see the condition of the knife in the pictures. the pictures showed a well carried blade. i know because i went back to check and as i expanded the photos that imugr allows you to do it shows those scratches etc. he speaks of clearly. they can't be hidden from that imugr and they are still there in the original post. i did admit in the email i had missed the small dent as he described it and photographed and took responsibility for that. you can just pick up that knife and flip it and put t in your pocket and take it out to set him dan and see that tiny dent. you just can't. you have to pick the knife up and examine it closely. isn't that right Goldie?
PT 2 TO FOLLOW AND END THIS SHARADE
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PT. 2 let me make another important point. i told him i would use his pictures because of the details they showed. i told him i would also include the part he put in text about the rusted screw as well as a couple on the other side that were starting to rust. i had looked that closely to see them and only glance to confirmed after he mentioned it and i saw his photos via email. I'm not going to argue with photos but neither can you Goldie as you feigned you couldn't see what anyone else could see in my original pics. i even mentioned to you that it's obvious you didn't expand the photos or you would have clearly seen what you say the photos didn't show. yet, you never did make a comment about that fact. you went silent if i recall.
you have been here 20 yrs i think you said. imugur has been used here before i joined mid approx. 2013. so i said that to say you too know how it works no doubt. we all know how to expand pictures dude. don't feign ignorance ok !
furthermore, he had said to e by email that the knife was heavily used only he said it more adamantly if i recall. i do have all emails and none have been deleted. btw Goldie. I said dude, you're tripping that knife has been heavily carried but not heavily used. as i've carried it for approx. eight yrs. now i might not be able to say it exactly as i did or even he did. Yet, the exact details by both are still covered in various emails. aside from what was said on the phone... on the phone not long ago he told me when i mentioned his heavily used comment that he didn't mean that and he actually meant heavily carried like i said. he said that's why he changed what he said. maybe he did retract that in an email. i don't recall seeing it frankly but if he did it will still be there. if not it won't be. he never said out his mouth to me by voice that is what he meant until our conversation tonight by phone. then he said clearly that he had changed it, so that can only mean in written form.
I told you on the phone i would see what others say i should do. you said you would wait ad see too. yet, you lied and made this post and worded it in a way that made you look innocent and myself somehow at fault. You kept suggesting i take it apart and oil it. u said wd 40 actually. i don't mean any harm and i know folks who use it online. i'm not buying wd40 for a knife. i'm going to buy something a bit more higher level as a lubricant. just so you know. Yet, i told you i didn't want to take the knife apart. i had never taken a knife apart before and you were surprised i hadn't weren't you. i told you i had never disassembled the blade nor lubed anything aside from the blade itself approx. 5 yrs ago or so. i said i never sharpened it and it had the original factory edge and the blade itself was in excellent condition. you even agreed with me because i said. how do you think that blade finish is still like new. because it hasn't been used enough to do change it so of course it's finish still looks like that. i know those weren't my exact words but they were close and relayed the essence of what i said to you that you fully concurred with on the phone by voice.
when i first asked you what you would do if you were me. you said you would take it apart... i said sure since you do that type of thing. but what would you do if you didn't work on knives like that...? you then gave a scenario that didn't match the circumstance i am in = we really. you came up with scenarios that didn't fit at least 3 times dude and each time i said why they weren't suitable you agreed and you did so because you knew they weren't suitable right when you mentioned them. i can say that much about your intelligence.
close to the end of our sign off i said to you these facts. i sent you the knife and it was flipping/working fine. you told me personally that you had flipped it multiple times with no issues and it flipped fine. which i knew had to be the case but i needed to hear you say it of course.
i then said i send it and it flips and it doesn't squeak. you flip it and it flips as it should. you send it back and nw it doesn't want to flip at all and it squeaks really bad but more like a creek usually. you concurred with it all.
then i said i wasn't going to take it apart. i also said the weakness of the whole situation lies with you. you agreed to that reality too because you had too. i then said to you . dude if i buy a car. camera or whatever and it works when i sell it to you but it doesn't when you send it back nobody is going to refund your money. to which you concurred and agreed. you expect me the seller who gave you a working knife that didn't creek/squeak to take back one that does and then be able to sell it if i fix it by the methods you suggested. like i said that knife sounded bone dry like it never had lubrication on it. i never heard a knife sound like that and you said you hadn't either. but then said you'd heard similar or something like that after you agreed with me. ijs
playing devils advocate i was like i thought about the cold. i put it on top of the oven and then into my small furnace room. there was no lubrication there to warm up. not that creeky bandit that pissed me off each time i heard him. he never sounded that way before. So, how the freak does a postal trip from you make that happen when it didn't make it happen getting it to you in the cold. we both know no postal trip is to blame here.
I'm saying flat out you are to blame even though i don't know why or how. what i do know is you didn't return a knife i could resell as is ! i told you i posted on this site to see what others would say. you didn't openly tell me you were in the he won't refund my money mode. it not how you got off the phone at all. actually, the opposite.
u posted this and talked slick/sly and lied. i don't trust you like i did before and with lack of trust and a knife that no longer flips I'm saying you had to do something to cause it to not flip as well as make that sound trying to open buy closing as well. smdh you bought with PayPal goods and services. as of right now I'm telling you to open a dispute with paypal. my case is trianger than yours by everything imho. knives don't stop working just because you mailed them. so what does that mean GOLDIE ? you weren't honest about how it flipped before you sent it. i know it flipped fine when you got it. but somehow someway you made that change. knives don't go totally squeaky dry like that Goldie in my experience.
WE ARE HEADED TO PAYPAL GOLDIE, it's time to scratch and i do not think they will believe you either. ijs
p.s. i forgot you did make some sort of offer for a partial refund but you didn't make that clear anyway. i also said u can take it back and do what you suggested i do... that you didn't expect but you sure weren't keen on the idea. see i was calling your bluff based on all you years of knife experience and take down etc.
you have been here 20 yrs i think you said. imugur has been used here before i joined mid approx. 2013. so i said that to say you too know how it works no doubt. we all know how to expand pictures dude. don't feign ignorance ok !
furthermore, he had said to e by email that the knife was heavily used only he said it more adamantly if i recall. i do have all emails and none have been deleted. btw Goldie. I said dude, you're tripping that knife has been heavily carried but not heavily used. as i've carried it for approx. eight yrs. now i might not be able to say it exactly as i did or even he did. Yet, the exact details by both are still covered in various emails. aside from what was said on the phone... on the phone not long ago he told me when i mentioned his heavily used comment that he didn't mean that and he actually meant heavily carried like i said. he said that's why he changed what he said. maybe he did retract that in an email. i don't recall seeing it frankly but if he did it will still be there. if not it won't be. he never said out his mouth to me by voice that is what he meant until our conversation tonight by phone. then he said clearly that he had changed it, so that can only mean in written form.
I told you on the phone i would see what others say i should do. you said you would wait ad see too. yet, you lied and made this post and worded it in a way that made you look innocent and myself somehow at fault. You kept suggesting i take it apart and oil it. u said wd 40 actually. i don't mean any harm and i know folks who use it online. i'm not buying wd40 for a knife. i'm going to buy something a bit more higher level as a lubricant. just so you know. Yet, i told you i didn't want to take the knife apart. i had never taken a knife apart before and you were surprised i hadn't weren't you. i told you i had never disassembled the blade nor lubed anything aside from the blade itself approx. 5 yrs ago or so. i said i never sharpened it and it had the original factory edge and the blade itself was in excellent condition. you even agreed with me because i said. how do you think that blade finish is still like new. because it hasn't been used enough to do change it so of course it's finish still looks like that. i know those weren't my exact words but they were close and relayed the essence of what i said to you that you fully concurred with on the phone by voice.
when i first asked you what you would do if you were me. you said you would take it apart... i said sure since you do that type of thing. but what would you do if you didn't work on knives like that...? you then gave a scenario that didn't match the circumstance i am in = we really. you came up with scenarios that didn't fit at least 3 times dude and each time i said why they weren't suitable you agreed and you did so because you knew they weren't suitable right when you mentioned them. i can say that much about your intelligence.
close to the end of our sign off i said to you these facts. i sent you the knife and it was flipping/working fine. you told me personally that you had flipped it multiple times with no issues and it flipped fine. which i knew had to be the case but i needed to hear you say it of course.
i then said i send it and it flips and it doesn't squeak. you flip it and it flips as it should. you send it back and nw it doesn't want to flip at all and it squeaks really bad but more like a creek usually. you concurred with it all.
then i said i wasn't going to take it apart. i also said the weakness of the whole situation lies with you. you agreed to that reality too because you had too. i then said to you . dude if i buy a car. camera or whatever and it works when i sell it to you but it doesn't when you send it back nobody is going to refund your money. to which you concurred and agreed. you expect me the seller who gave you a working knife that didn't creek/squeak to take back one that does and then be able to sell it if i fix it by the methods you suggested. like i said that knife sounded bone dry like it never had lubrication on it. i never heard a knife sound like that and you said you hadn't either. but then said you'd heard similar or something like that after you agreed with me. ijs
playing devils advocate i was like i thought about the cold. i put it on top of the oven and then into my small furnace room. there was no lubrication there to warm up. not that creeky bandit that pissed me off each time i heard him. he never sounded that way before. So, how the freak does a postal trip from you make that happen when it didn't make it happen getting it to you in the cold. we both know no postal trip is to blame here.
I'm saying flat out you are to blame even though i don't know why or how. what i do know is you didn't return a knife i could resell as is ! i told you i posted on this site to see what others would say. you didn't openly tell me you were in the he won't refund my money mode. it not how you got off the phone at all. actually, the opposite.
u posted this and talked slick/sly and lied. i don't trust you like i did before and with lack of trust and a knife that no longer flips I'm saying you had to do something to cause it to not flip as well as make that sound trying to open buy closing as well. smdh you bought with PayPal goods and services. as of right now I'm telling you to open a dispute with paypal. my case is trianger than yours by everything imho. knives don't stop working just because you mailed them. so what does that mean GOLDIE ? you weren't honest about how it flipped before you sent it. i know it flipped fine when you got it. but somehow someway you made that change. knives don't go totally squeaky dry like that Goldie in my experience.
WE ARE HEADED TO PAYPAL GOLDIE, it's time to scratch and i do not think they will believe you either. ijs
p.s. i forgot you did make some sort of offer for a partial refund but you didn't make that clear anyway. i also said u can take it back and do what you suggested i do... that you didn't expect but you sure weren't keen on the idea. see i was calling your bluff based on all you years of knife experience and take down etc.
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