"net to me" - wtf!!

Bigjonhoss

Bigjonhoss

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ok- just putting this out there- to all of the "resellers" if you are sellng why can't you just put a damn price? i have looked at many knives here and just as i am about to click and pay i see "net to me" ?? or add x% -- really??
man up - pick a friggin number , take the loss because you wanted it and changed your mind !!! It's bad enough i have to sift through the scammers,and nit pickers - now i have to breakout a calculator??? Some even want a paypal "gift" on top of that?? (<<<sarcasm - for those who dont know)
The only ones that should thank them are --the Makers who i have contacted to place new orders with,as a result .

rant over-
 
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haha- clearly the point went over your head-
id rather buy brand new - than from someone so indecisive they cannot even price their wares - or are clearly trying to hide behind paypal "gifts"
but hey - thanks for trying -
 
Bigjonhoss said:
haha- clearly the point went over your head-
id rather buy brand new - than from someone so indecisive they cannot even price their wares - or are clearly trying to hide behind paypal "gifts"
but hey - thanks for trying -
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Bigjonhoss said:
It's bad enough i have to sift through the scammers,and nit pickers - now i have to breakout a calculator???
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Yeah, I guess it did go over my head...

ETA: And while I agree with you on folks who can't price their knives with an *all inclusive* price, including shipping, I have picked up many older/discontinued pieces from folks who decided they needed the $$$ more than the knife. But Paypal Gift isn't a price I'll ever pay for any knife...
 
I don't really care as long as im clear on the price, I have had good luck with messaging the seller and telling them, drop the net and ill buy it.

surprisingly it works and we both have a deal.
 
I do get disinterested pretty quickly when I see "net to me", "paypal gift", or "paypal only."
 
What are you getting your panties in a bunch for??
If you are not comfortable with """NET TO ME""
You close out that thread youre looking at and move along
MY GOD..
Common sense..NORMALLY dictates
YOU contact the owner-seller- PRIVATELY and
see if there is any wiggle room in price.
THIS is a selling-trading arena for all.
YOU dont like the TERMS of the sellers deals.
MOVE along.............................................
May I ask why --why there are so MANY WHINNERS in this forum as of the last few months..??????? :grumpy:

You will also find--Look around please
Paypal takes up a good 90% of the sales in here..VERY few deal anymore with checks-and money orders
THEY are simply a pain in the ass and make some people uncomfortable.I will speak for myself..

And deal with folks that have STELLAR feedback and outstanding REPUTATIONS in here.
YOU Stick with the WINNNERS in BF--You will NEVER have an ISSUE...:thumbup:
 
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I understand why some folks have a problem with "net to me". They lack the intelligence to understand that "net to me" is the most transparent way for a seller to announce the price they're willing to sell a product for. And they lack the patience to negotiate the terms and conditions of sale. Those folks are far better off with "to your door" pricing, even if it means having to pay more for the product than they might otherwise have to.
 
mwhich50 said:
I do get disinterested pretty quickly when I see "net to me", "paypal gift", or "paypal only."
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Me too. Well the first two anyway.

But if it's a rare/desirable/discontinued knife that I want, I'll Paypal the $$$, including fees. Again, Paypal Gift is out of the question and won't do it for buying.

As far as bargaining with the Seller, have seen too many wanted knives lost to those who try that route. While waiting for an answer from said Seller, somebody else comes along and posts "I'll take it".
And the knife rightfully goes to them...
 
gzb said:
Me too. Well the first two anyway.

But if it's a rare/desirable/discontinued knife that I want, I'll Paypal the $$$, including fees. Again, Paypal Gift is out of the question and won't do it for buying.

As far as bargaining with the Seller, have seen too many wanted knives lost to those who try that route. While waiting for an answer from said Seller, somebody else comes along and posts "I'll take it".
And the knife rightfully goes to them...
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It's the unscrupulous seller who enters into negotiations with the primary buyer and then sells to a secondary buyer while negotiations with the primary buyer are underway. I suspect RD might have a little problem with that. And no, the knife rightfully does NOT go to the secondary buyer unless negotiations with the primary buyer fall apart. But I get your point.

Again, negotiating the terms and conditions of sale requires a level of sophistication some folks either do not have or do not want to be bothered with. For those folks, "net to me" sales should be avoided . . . along with all the lost purchases such avoidance could entail. I believe the general operating principle has something to do with cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
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bld522 said:
I understand why some folks have a problem with "net to me". They lack the intelligence to understand that "net to me" is the most transparent way for a seller to announce the price they're willing to sell a product for. And they lack the patience to negotiate the terms and conditions of sale. Those folks are far better off with "to your door" pricing, even if it means having to pay more for the product than they might otherwise have to.
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I view it more as a dishonest dodge to encourage use of the gift option through paypal without actually saying so. Recognizing doublespeak is a big part of intelligence when conducting business.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I view it more as a dishonest dodge to encourage use of the gift option through paypal without actually saying so. Recognizing doublespeak is a big part of intelligence when conducting business.
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The gift option is a no-no. That's called theft. And I won't play that game . . . lost purchases or not. If something gets sold and PayPal is used to transact the sale, somebody has to pay the fees for the use of their service. Whether that person is the buyer or the seller should be based on the way the deal is structured, not PayPal's TOS . . . or at least not as far as I'm concerned.
 
bld522 said:
The gift option is a no-no. That's called theft. And I won't play that game . . . lost purchases or not. If something gets sold and PayPal is used to transact the sale, somebody has to pay the fees for the use of their service. Whether that person is the buyer or the seller has to do with the way the deal is structured, not PayPal's TOS . . . or at least not as far as I'm concerned.
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Yes, but 'net to me' is almost invariably used in reference to paypal and shipping. Besides shipping, the only thing that would affect the net profit would be paypal fees. If that wasn't the message why wouldn't you simply put a price and add, "you cover shipping."
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Yes, but 'net to me' is almost invariably used in reference to paypal and shipping. Besides shipping, the only thing that would affect the net profit would be paypal fees. If that wasn't the message why wouldn't you simply put a price and add, "you cover shipping."
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The operative word in your statement is "almost". If a "net to me" deal is structured properly, payment and shipment options are negotiated separately from the price. Stretch your mind a little and you'll see that PayPal doesn't have to be the invariable payment option in a negotiated arrangement.

Again, "net to me" isn't for everyone. It's only for those who want to participate in the terms and conditions of sale. Those who would prefer to be led by the nose have other options they can choose from. But saying that "net to me" pricing doesn't have value is simply not true. And I, for one, am grateful to operate in a marketplace that acknowledges its value . . . or at least leaves it alone.
 
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bld522 said:
The operative word in your statement is "almost". If a "net to me" deal is structured properly, payment and shipment options are negotiated separately from the price. Stretch your mind a little and you'll see that PayPal isn't the invariable payment option in a negotiated arrangement.
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I can see that, but it's a phrase that will always make me suspicious as it's frequently used to circumvent responsibility. No one here sells anything that I need, so why bother dealing with individuals who have already raised my suspicion? Negotiating on shipping strikes me as deeply dubious, too, as it reads like an attempt to offload the responsibility of getting the knife from A to B from the seller to the buyer. "He agreed to ship it without insurance, not my fault it was lost in delivery!"

We see these scenarios play out all too often in GB&U and it's usually the kind of thing that would never happen if going through a reputable dealer. I'm suspicious by nature and if someone isn't above board enough to quote me an honest price I have little to no interest in dealing with them.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I can see that, but it's a phrase that will always make me suspicious as it's frequently used to circumvent responsibility. No one here sells anything that I need, so why bother dealing with individuals who have already raised my suspicion?
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Suspicion or shortsightedness? It doesn't take long in a "net to me" deal to figure out whether or not I'm dealing with an honorable person. On the other hand, I'm suspicious of sellers who use "to your door" pricing, particularly if I want to use a cheaper payment method or shipment option than the one they've decided to choose for me.
 
"Net to me" is mildly annoying and often gives a bad impression about the seller from the very start, whether that impression is deserved or not.

It shouldn't be a concern, though. Some of the best transactions I've had were with sellers who indicated that they would like to be reimbursed the Paypal fees.
 
quite an interesting read- suddenly i am ,spiteful and ignorant- i was merely pointing out that "shady" deals get avoided- and the sellers lose potential buisness- and too much shade makes for a dark place!!!

- as for "tyd" being called shady i think some makers here might have thoughts on that.
 
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