"net to me" - wtf!!

[Insipid Moniker]

Suspicion or shortsightedness? It doesn't take long in a "net to me" deal to figure out whether or not I'm dealing with an honorable person. On the other hand, I'm suspicious of sellers who use "to your door" pricing, particularly if I want to use a cheaper payment method or shipment option than the one they've decided to choose for me.

Everyone thinks they're a good judge of character and no one is. The math is simple, the risk of dealing with a potential con artist significantly outweighs the relatively minuscule benefits of negotiating shipping and payment options. If I'm putting any kind of money on the line the reward must be commensurate to the risk taken and, in this case, it's simply not.

 

[bld522]

"Net to me" is mildly annoying and often gives a bad impression about the seller from the very start, whether that impression is deserved or not.

That's funny. "To your door" is mildly annoying to me and often gives me a bad impression about the seller from the very start, whether that impression is deserved or not. I can't help but wonder what a "to your door" seller is hiding in his price that a "net to me" seller isn't hiding in his.

It shouldn't be a concern, though. Some of the best transactions I've had were with sellers who indicated that they would like to be reimbursed the Paypal fees.

Right. And if the seller offered you another payment option besides PayPal, did you select PayPal or did the seller force you to select it? If it's the former, you should have paid the fees. Your choice, your cost. If it's the latter, the seller should have paid the fees. Their choice, their cost. This isn't rocket science.

Once again, and for the record, a big thanks to Spark, RD and the mods for allowing this Exchange to operate fairly for all parties concerned.

 

[benchwarmer380]

Suspicion or shortsightedness? It doesn't take long in a "net to me" deal to figure out whether or not I'm dealing with an honorable person. On the other hand, I'm suspicious of sellers who use "to your door" pricing, particularly if I want to use a cheaper payment method or shipment option than the one they've decided to choose for me.

Im sure most TYDers would negotiate. The difference is the negotiated price would be coming down rather than up.

 

[bld522]

Im sure most TYDers would negotiate. The difference is the negotiated price would be coming down rather than up.

Possibly. But then you run into that little SNAFU that was alluded to earlier when a buyer enters into negotiations for an item after which a secondary buyer comes along and says "I'll take it!". "Net to me" pricing protects the first buyer because negotiations are built into the equation and take time to transact. But "to your door" pricing provides no such protections to the first buyer. It is, by definition, take it or leave it. A "to your door" seller doesn't even have to respond to a negotiation attempt. So once again, "net to me" is the PREFERRED way to transact business. As I said before, it is the MOST transparent way to set prices, not the least transparent.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Possibly. But then you run into that little SNAFU that was alluded to earlier when a buyer enters into negotiations after which a secondary buyer comes along and says "I'll take it!". "Net to me" pricing protects the first buyer because negotiations are built into the equation. But "to your door" pricing provides no such protections to the first buyer. It is, by definition, take it or leave it. A "to your door" seller doesn't even have to respond to negotiation attempt. So once again, "net to me" is the PREFERRED way to transact business.

Preferred by whom? It's fine that you prefer it, but that claim seems more than a little ridiculous in the larger context of the forum or the business world at large. I own a small business and have never had any of our vendors negotiate any kind of net profit deal.

 

[bld522]

Preferred by whom? It's fine that you prefer it, but that claim seems more than a little ridiculous in the larger context of the forum or the business world at large. I own a small business and have never had any of our vendors negotiate any kind of net profit deal.

Thanks for that insight. It's no wonder you have trouble perceiving the value of an exchange that permits buyers and sellers to negotiate their own terms of sale. Trust me. You're not alone.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Thanks for that insight. It's no wonder you have trouble perceiving the value of an exchange that permits buyers and sellers to negotiate their own terms of sale. Trust me. You're not alone.

Care to actually cite anything to support your claim rather than vaguely proclaiming ignorance of others? You're making an unsupported argument and trying to pass it off as fact, no number of smug comments will distract me from that.

 

[Ernie1980]

I don't like net to me, gift only, and especially add xx %. My solution is to just skip over those sellers and move on. No need to get hyper about it, that doesn't help anything!

 

[bld522]

Care to actually cite anything to support your claim rather than vaguely proclaiming ignorance of others? You're making an unsupported argument and trying to pass it off as fact, no number of smug comments will distract me from that.

Ever buy a house? How about a car? Did you negotiate the terms and conditions of sale when you bought them? Would you have purchased them if you didn't have the opportunity to do that? Clearly a knife isn't the same as a house or a car, but to my mind the same principles apply.

If you don't want to negotiate, don't. But don't rag on those that do.

 

[hhmoore]

Possibly. But then you run into that little SNAFU that was alluded to earlier when a buyer enters into negotiations for an item after which a secondary buyer comes along and says "I'll take it!". "Net to me" pricing protects the first buyer because negotiations are built into the equation and take time to transact. But "to your door" pricing provides no such protections to the first buyer. It is, by definition, take it or leave it. A "to your door" seller doesn't even have to respond to a negotiation attempt. So once again, "net to me" is the PREFERRED way to transact business. As I said before, it is the MOST transparent way to set prices, not the least transparent.

I'm not sure I grasp your rationalization that "net to me" implies negotiation, or that said negotiation keeps a person's place in line. In fact, my experiences and observations on The Exchange indicate the opposite. (I know, I know - I'm ignorant, lazy, and unskilled at negotiation).

 

[bld522]

(I know, I know - I'm ignorant, lazy, and unskilled at negotiation).

No worries. You're not alone. As a society, we're so used to being told what to pay that we lack negotiating skills. But there's a saying that was impressed upon me as a young man that has served me well over the years: In life, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you negotiate.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Ever buy a house? How about a car? Did you negotiate the terms and conditions of sale when you did bought them? Would have purchased them if you didn't have the opportunity to do that? Clearly a knife isn't the same as a house or a car, but the same principles apply.

If you don't want to negotiate, don't. But don't rag on those that do.

I'm not, you are, in fact, ragging on those that don't. Houses are appreciable assets and that places them in a completely different area of finance. Honest car dealers don't negotiate. They give you free access to the dealer price and explain the markup they have to make to stay in business. It's a relatively new strategy, but it protects everyone's time and money as no one will go below those prices anyway.

 

[alex]

"net to me" is the PREFERRED way to transact business.

That is a ridiculous statement to make as if only you knew something or had insight no one else does. I would claim the exact opposite and state that you are in a minority of sellers and buyers with that opinion. Why don't you take a poll and see what the final results are.

Also, EVERYTHING is negotiable in any sales transaction regardless of what the seller claims in his ad. Especially if a few days goes by and a sale is not made. You as a seller can always turn down any offer and I as a buyer may miss out on a sale. I have gotten some great deals over the years by waiting a few days or weeks and contacting sellers who were firm and inquiring respectfully with an offer.

 

[bld522]

I'm not, you are, in fact, ragging on those that don't.

Only to the extent that they don't recognize what they're actually paying for. But give me a seller who's honest enough to give me his bottom line price and let me negotiate the rest and I'll work with him forever.

 

[bld522]

That is a ridiculous statement to make as if only you knew something or had insight no one else does. I would claim the exact opposite and state that you are in a minority of sellers and buyers with that opinion.

I'd suggest you spend a little time in the Exchange reviewing the way knives are being sold by individuals. Then come on back and we'll continue the conversation. Meanwhile, I stand by what I said. I actually look for "net to me" sellers when I consider purchasing something on the exchange. At least I don't have to wonder what they're hiding in their price. YMMV.

 

[Insipid Moniker]

Only to the extent that they don't recognize what they're actually paying for. But give me a seller who's honest enough to give me his bottom line price and let me negotiate the rest and I'll work with him forever.

Both baseless assumptions on your part. If you prefer doing things that way, I have no problems with it, but assuming ignorance because others don't is pure foolishness.

 

[bld522]

Both baseless assumptions on your part. If you prefer doing things that way, I have no problems with it, but assuming ignorance because others don't is pure foolishness.

Ignorance, indifference or naivete . . . it's all the same to me. If people don't want to believe that "to your door" sellers don't hide their selling costs in the prices, that's fine with me.

 

[billym]

All I know is I have tried including USPS Priority in the price to make it easy. That caused folks to offer a lower price because they felt the price was high even though it was including shipping, so I stopped doing that.

I sell;
Paypal only (or mail me funds and I will ship when paid check (when it clears), MO, cash. So Paypal is the easiest and fastest for both buyer and seller.
I always take the hit on the PP Goods and Service fees.

Shipping NOT included. One way or another YOU are paying the shipping not me. (I am not a business like Knives Ship Free)

No Trades (I am selling.)

As far as price I lower it if it is not getting offers. I WOULD consider a respectable offer (Low Ballers s#ck BTW).

Seems pretty open and simple.

I find many members here expect to buy a 99% BNIB knife for a fraction of the cost to the sellers demise, please be realistic (again don't low ball!)

 

[asdf12345]

That's funny. "To your door" is mildly annoying to me and often gives me a bad impression about the seller from the very start, whether that impression is deserved or not. I can't help but wonder what a "to your door" seller is hiding in his price that a "net to me" seller isn't hiding in his.

I don't understand why that would be annoying. A lot of sellers, myself included, do not request that the buyer cover Paypal fees, for the convenience of the buyer - the listed price is what the buyer would pay using Paypal goods.

If you're talking about sellers intentionally hiding aspects of the knife that would bring down the value, then that has certainly happened with both sellers asking for fees and sellers who do not ask for them.

In my own experience, sellers who include the Paypal fees in their price are generally more willing to work with the buyer, have a fairer price to begin with, and are more forthcoming with item details than are those who ask "net to me".

 

[bld522]

All I know is I have tried including USPS Priority in the price to make it easy. That caused folks to offer a lower price because they felt the price was high even though it was including shipping, so I stopped doing that.

I sell;
Paypal only (or mail me funds and I will ship when paid check (when it clears), MO, cash. So Paypal is the easiest and fastest for both buyer and seller.
I always take the hit on the PP Goods and Service fees.

Shipping NOT included. One way or another YOU are paying the shipping not me. (I am not a business like Knives Ship Free)

No Trades (I am selling.)

As far as price I lower it if it is not getting offers. I WOULD consider a respectable offer (Low Ballers s#ck BTW).

Seems pretty open and simple.

I find many members here expect to buy a 99% BNIB knife for a fraction of the cost to the sellers demise, please be realistic (again don't low ball!)

I get it. No problem. You've provided complete disclosure, so I won't cast aspersions on you because of the way you want to sell. That's your privilege. Please don't cast aspersions on me because of the way I want to buy. That's my privilege. If I want to negotiate the terms and conditions of sale, please don't run around telling people who are wiling to negotiate with me that they're full of crap. Who are you (well, not you personally billy) to make that decision?