"net to me" - wtf!!

[benchwarmer380]

At least I don't have to wonder what they're hiding in their price. YMMV.

What do you think is being hidden in a TYD price?

I feel that both NET and TYD can be equally transparent or ambiguous. It is determined by how their ad is presented and by the seller stating what each includes.

 

[bld522]

What do you think is being hidden in a TYD price?

I feel that both NET and TYD can be equally transparent or ambiguous. It is determined by how their ad is presented and by the seller stating what each includes.

That's a fair question. I simply assume that anyone selling TYD includes the MAXIMUM potential selling costs in their price. And while someone can certainly do that in a NET price, I think they'd have a more difficult time remaining price competitive if they did.

 

[Mitchell Knives]

Whenever I see this, I just assume that they are bad at math.

 

[benchwarmer380]

That's a fair question. 1. I simply assume that anyone selling TYD includes the MAXIMUM potential selling costs in their price. 2. And while someone can certainly do that in a NET price, I think they'd have a more difficult time remaining price competitive if they did.

1. Why shouldn't they? Most knives sold by individuals are sold at some loss. It would be prudent to negate that as much as possible.
2. True.

$100 TYD (all inclusive) and $100 NET (shipping included*), which is more competitive? Edit: Assume equal shipping method/price.

*added because a lot of folks with a NET price include shipping. Which isn't really NET anymore. This topic has enough discussion without getting into the semantics of it.

 

[asdf12345]

That's a fair question. I simply assume that anyone selling TYD includes the MAXIMUM potential selling costs in their price. And while someone can certainly do that in a NET price, I think they'd have a more difficult time remaining price competitive if they did.

Why would you automatically assume this? For someone who claims to know their way around transactions and to have lots of lifetime experience with them you have a strange outlook on things. Could it be that many of these sellers' attitudes are not one of profiteering and they simply want to make everything as easy as possible for all involved parties? Especially considering that they are not knife dealers; buying and selling here is not a means of income for them.

I also don't quite understand your implicit trust in a seller who asks "net to me". In my experience, sellers who ask "net to me" tend to sell their items at higher prices than those who do not, and are less willing to negotiate on price. Your comment about "price competitive" doesn't quite make sense either. If a seller was trying to be price competitive how would insisting on that extra measly 3% help him in that regard? If a seller was not interested in getting as much money as he could out of an item why would he ask for what are essentially nickels and dimes?

 

[bld522]

1. Why shouldn't they? Most knives sold by individuals are sold at some loss. It would be prudent to negate that as much as possible.

I agree.

2. True.

$100 TYD (all inclusive) and $100 NET (shipping included*), which is more competitive?

Depends on the payment option selected. For the most part, payment and shipping options are the items that are negotiable in my transactions.

 

[bld522]

Why would you automatically assume this?

Uhhhh . . . human nature? How many people do you know that are willing to sacrifice profit for principles? I'm not saying that's not possible. I'm simply saying it's uncommon.

In my experience, sellers who ask "net to me" tend to sell their items at higher prices than those who do not, and are less willing to negotiate on price.

Then I'd urge you not to buy from those folks.

If a seller was trying to be price competitive how would insisting on that extra measly 3% help him in that regard? If a seller was not interested in getting as much money as he could out of an item why would he ask for what are essentially nickels and dimes?

"Measly" all depends on the price of the item, doesn't it?

 

[benchwarmer380]

I agree.


Depends on the payment option selected. For the most part, payment and shipping options are the items that are negotiable in my transactions.

You can still negotiate with the example I gave. The difference is where you will be going once negotiations start. I highly doubt the $100 TYD will be going up after negotiations, while the NET price may. Depending on payment and shipping options.

*For the sake of argument, in the example I gave let's suppose that the shipping price and method are identical.

 

[bld522]

You can still negotiate with the example I gave.

A TYD seller is under no obligation to negotiate. You can try to negotiate if you want to, but the seller isn't even obligated to respond to your attempt. I can tell you that from personal experience.

 

[benchwarmer380]

A TYD seller is under no obligation to negotiate. You can try to negotiate if you want to, but the seller isn't even obligated to respond to your attempt. I can tell you that from personal experience.

True.

Yet, NET sellers don't have the obligation to negotiate either.
By that I mean the people that have NET and then say GIFT or add %. They laid their terms and it can be their way or the highway.

 

[asdf12345]

A TYD seller is under no obligation to negotiate. You can try to negotiate if you want to, but the seller isn't even obligated to respond to your attempt. I can tell you that from personal experience.

Then I'd urge you "not to buy from those folks".

 

[bld522]

True.

Yet, NET sellers don't have the obligation to negotiate either.
By that I mean the people that have NET and then say GIFT or add %. They laid their terms and it can be their way or the highway.

Well GIFT is a killer for me. I just won't do that. As long as I have a payment option besides PayPal, there may still be room to negotiate. But if PayPal is the ONLY payment option, then it's a NET deal in name only.

 

[bld522]

Then I'd urge you "not to buy from those folks".

As a general rule, I don't. Each deal has to be judged on its own merits, of course. The only thing I won't do is enter into a PayPal gift transaction. As I said before, I refuse to be a knowing party to a theft.

 

[asdf12345]

As a general rule, I don't. Each deal has to be judged on its own merits, of course. The only thing I won't do is enter into a PayPal gift transaction. As I said before, I won't be a knowing party to a theft.

I think the sarcasm was lost on you. When other people talk about their experience with sellers asking for "net to me", your recommendation is just to ignore those people entirely. However, you make generalizations about "to your door" sellers in order to back what are really some shaky claims.

 

[benchwarmer380]

Each deal* has to be judged on its own merits, of course. The only thing I won't do is enter into a PayPal gift transaction. As I said before, I refuse to be a knowing party to a theft.

*and seller.

If anyone takes anything from this thread, these points should be it.

 

[bld522]

I think the sarcasm was lost on you. When other people talk about their experience with sellers asking for "net to me", your recommendation is just to ignore those people entirely.

It is? That's news to me.

Each deal needs to be taken on its own merits. That goes for NET deals and TYD deals.

 

[bld522]

However, you make generalizations about "to your door" sellers in order to back what are really some shaky claims.

Like what? That it's ridiculous for me to assume that TYD sellers incorporate their selling costs into their prices?

 

[mqqn]

I don't have any nets in stock, so I can't sent nets to people that want them.

It does not make any difference really.

If I want something and the seller can't take time to just do the simple math and estimate shipping (I can tell you exactly what it will cost me to ship something by the way) then I will do the math.

If someone sells me something and indicates "free shipping" I will sometimes send a little extra to help pay shipping or fees. That is just the way I do business.

I consider the people on these boards friends with common interests, and I will strive to be fair and even go that little extra. But I cannot send any nets.

best

mqqn

 

[asdf12345]

Like what?

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I understand why some folks have a problem with "net to me". They lack the intelligence to understand that "net to me" is the most transparent way for a seller to announce the price they're willing to sell a product for.

I can't help but wonder what a "to your door" seller is hiding in his price that a "net to me" seller isn't hiding in his.

A "to your door" seller doesn't even have to respond to a negotiation attempt.

If people don't want to believe that "to your door" sellers don't hide their selling costs in the prices, that's fine with me.

I simply assume that anyone selling TYD includes the MAXIMUM potential selling costs in their price.

A TYD seller is under no obligation to negotiate. You can try to negotiate if you want to, but the seller isn't even obligated to respond to your attempt. I can tell you that from personal experience.

I actually look for "net to me" sellers when I consider purchasing something on the exchange. At least I don't have to wonder what they're hiding in their price.

 

[bld522]

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And your point is?

Once again, if you don't think most TYD sellers incorporate their selling costs into their prices, I have a nice bridge to sell you . . . TYD of course.