New "designer line" of knives from Ganzo = Adimanti

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Brand name/history aside, it's a good looking knife. Seems a little heavy though at 4.2 ounces with a blade at 3.3 inches. For the same price or a little less you could get a Rat 2 D2 which is much lighter. I think Ganzo needs to stick to the $20-$30 range. Around $50 there are other more proven options.
 
kniferbro said:
"Adimanti"
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Adimanti the new clone shell out company that keeps on givey... Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
I just thought this designer focused knife was an interesting development and not something I ever expected from Ganzo .

It may be a cynical marketing scheme , but I haven't seen any attempt to hide that the Italian supercar sounding " Adimanti Neoformat" is made by Ganzo . It's clearly stated in all their ads and on the knife blade . But if you want to double your price , need a sexy new name !

I might hope that Ganzo is trying to cleanup it's act , but probably just trying to break into a more upscale market .

In the USA , pricing seems targeted to directly compete with lowest Civivi models . Good luck with that !
 
I really don't know what to make of this. To me the name Ganzo has, and will always be quite toxic.
However, that being said.... It's still Ganzo. So I do have to give some props for them not just doing a straight up re-branding and calling themselves Geate, Gizer, GE, Gestech, or any other out of nowhere startup brand (from a certain country which doesn't believe in IP) that has the immediate design, build quality, fit & finish, and action of a brand that has been building knives for years.
 
How does that saying go, you can put steak sauce on a hot dog, but it's still just a wiener.
 
Not no, but HELL no!

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G801, G8012, G802
 
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Ganzo stirs up a lot of hate and controversy here. They've made a lot of knives that borrow design features or outright designs from other companies. From what I understand, they've also made a lot of knives for other companies. Being a budget guy, it's entirely possible that I had Ganzo-made knives before I even heard of Ganzo. As Kevin Cleary pointed out in his Ganzo video, it's possible that some of the people shaking their fingers here have too.

It's worth remembering that Ganzo is a Chinese company. China is a different world. Their history and culture are different. Their government and economy work differently. They do business in a global economy. Essentially, the economic landscape is different. I think we should consider that as a part of their origin story and look at the direction they've been taking more recently.

When I first heard of Ganzo, they were making budget knives including a few lookalikes. Build quality seemed okay for the $20-something-ish price tags. As interesting as it was to see a 440C Spyderco lookalike with an Axis-style lock at Gerber or Schrade prices; I held off because the resemblance was too close. Then, early in the Chinese Knife Renaissance that gave us Civivi, Ganzo stepped up and started a line of better-quality budget knives with original designs. I bought the first one, an FH11. I was impressed. It was nicer than a lot of similarly priced knives I've had from Kershaw and CRKT. Now they're up to the FH71 and this newer series of Italian-sounding knives. If they keep moving in this direction, I think that's really cool.
 
ganzo is indeed a global player.
and going by those numbers alone
it obviously does not appear to care about
what the niche market knife aficionado
thinks about them or its products.
they have taken obvious shameless
shortcuts in the design and execution
of their wares.
but i suppose in doing so
they have created a bunch of novel
franken products which would
have been unthinkable anywhere
else in the world.
they have damned the consequences
and have proceeded along that
path probably because it sells!
creating a new entity to capture
a niche up market of their own
is just adding to the basket if
it works out at all...
 
Chronovore said:
Ganzo stirs up a lot of hate and controversy here. They've made a lot of knives that borrow design features or outright designs from other companies. From what I understand, they've also made a lot of knives for other companies. Being a budget guy, it's entirely possible that I had Ganzo-made knives before I even heard of Ganzo. As Kevin Cleary pointed out in his Ganzo video, it's possible that some of the people shaking their fingers here have too.

It's worth remembering that Ganzo is a Chinese company. China is a different world. Their history and culture are different. Their government and economy work differently. They do business in a global economy. Essentially, the economic landscape is different. I think we should consider that as a part of their origin story and look at the direction they've been taking more recently.

When I first heard of Ganzo, they were making budget knives including a few lookalikes. Build quality seemed okay for the $20-something-ish price tags. As interesting as it was to see a 440C Spyderco lookalike with an Axis-style lock at Gerber or Schrade prices; I held off because the resemblance was too close. Then, early in the Chinese Knife Renaissance that gave us Civivi, Ganzo stepped up and started a line of better-quality budget knives with original designs. I bought the first one, an FH11. I was impressed. It was nicer than a lot of similarly priced knives I've had from Kershaw and CRKT. Now they're up to the FH71 and this newer series of Italian-sounding knives. If they keep moving in this direction, I think that's really cool.
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Excuses, excuses...SMH. It's still theft.
ETA: Theft is not "borrowing". :rolleyes:
 
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Chronovore said:
Ganzo stirs up a lot of hate and controversy here. They've made a lot of knives that borrow design features or outright designs from other companies. From what I understand, they've also made a lot of knives for other companies. Being a budget guy, it's entirely possible that I had Ganzo-made knives before I even heard of Ganzo. As Kevin Cleary pointed out in his Ganzo video, it's possible that some of the people shaking their fingers here have too.

It's worth remembering that Ganzo is a Chinese company. China is a different world. Their history and culture are different. Their government and economy work differently. They do business in a global economy. Essentially, the economic landscape is different. I think we should consider that as a part of their origin story and look at the direction they've been taking more recently.

When I first heard of Ganzo, they were making budget knives including a few lookalikes. Build quality seemed okay for the $20-something-ish price tags. As interesting as it was to see a 440C Spyderco lookalike with an Axis-style lock at Gerber or Schrade prices; I held off because the resemblance was too close. Then, early in the Chinese Knife Renaissance that gave us Civivi, Ganzo stepped up and started a line of better-quality budget knives with original designs. I bought the first one, an FH11. I was impressed. It was nicer than a lot of similarly priced knives I've had from Kershaw and CRKT. Now they're up to the FH71 and this newer series of Italian-sounding knives. If they keep moving in this direction, I think that's really cool.
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Ganzo sucks.
 
Chronovore said:
Ganzo stirs up a lot of hate and controversy here. They've made a lot of knives that borrow design features or outright designs from other companies. From what I understand, they've also made a lot of knives for other companies. Being a budget guy, it's entirely possible that I had Ganzo-made knives before I even heard of Ganzo. As Kevin Cleary pointed out in his Ganzo video, it's possible that some of the people shaking their fingers here have too.

It's worth remembering that Ganzo is a Chinese company. China is a different world. Their history and culture are different. Their government and economy work differently. They do business in a global economy. Essentially, the economic landscape is different. I think we should consider that as a part of their origin story and look at the direction they've been taking more recently.

When I first heard of Ganzo, they were making budget knives including a few lookalikes. Build quality seemed okay for the $20-something-ish price tags. As interesting as it was to see a 440C Spyderco lookalike with an Axis-style lock at Gerber or Schrade prices; I held off because the resemblance was too close. Then, early in the Chinese Knife Renaissance that gave us Civivi, Ganzo stepped up and started a line of better-quality budget knives with original designs. I bought the first one, an FH11. I was impressed. It was nicer than a lot of similarly priced knives I've had from Kershaw and CRKT. Now they're up to the FH71 and this newer series of Italian-sounding knives. If they keep moving in this direction, I think that's really cool.
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Oy vey. This again with the justifying of the cloners...

I get it. We don't know exactly who is making what in China. Some big time brands use and have used the same OEMs of these cloner brands.

What we do know is that Ganzo as brand is built on theft. I haven't looked recently but I bet they are still blatantly coping, if not out in the open then for sure behind the scenes (remember the part above about how we don't really know who is doing what?). This community is against such a brand. So, when that brand comes out with more stuff, no matter the quality or originality, it will not get a pass here.

Counterfeiting and cloning is a huge topic, especially outside of the knife world. But here in our little corner, the topic need not be so macro. We can pick and chose which brands to support based on their value to our hobby, and getting even more micro, their value to this specific community. Bladeforum's stance on companies like ganzo has been consistently very clear. Does anyone need a reminder?
 
craytab said:
Oy vey. This again with the justifying of the cloners...

I get it. We don't know exactly who is making what in China. Some big time brands use and have used the same OEMs of these cloner brands.

What we do know is that Ganzo as brand is built on theft...
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But we really don't know. Who makes the Chinese-produced knives for Kershaw, CRKT, etc? What else do those manufacturers make? Of the "good" Chinese brands, which ones got their start doing this kind of stuff? Which of their employees did? How did some of these Chinese companies learn to make knives in the first place? What agreements did they have with which other companies for selling in which corners of the world market?

I knew a few expats who did QC for Asian manufacturing in other industries. According to them, knockoffs and store brands were often made in the same factories as the real deal, sometimes one line over from the real deal, by the same workers using the same materials.

I get it. Personally, I won't buy a blatant knockoff. However, I think it's crucial to understand the realities of Chinese manufacturing and how it came to be before we go passing judgement on a company that's chosen to stamp their name on what they make. I also think we should be careful using the word "theft" as if Ganzo broke into your house and stole your stuff. What we're really talking about are intellectual property rights, design exclusivity, and possibly the law of geopolitical zones in the context of a global economy.
 
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But we really don't know. Who makes the Chinese-produced knives for Kershaw, CRKT, etc? What else do those manufacturers make? Of the "good" Chinese brands, which ones got their start doing this kind of stuff? Which of their employees did? How did some of these Chinese companies learn to make knives in the first place? What agreements did they have with which other companies for selling in which corners of the world market?

I knew a few expats who did QC for Asian manufacturing in other industries. According to them, knockoffs and store brands were often made in the same factories as the real deal, sometimes one line over from the real deal, by the same workers using the same materials.

I get it. Personally, I won't buy a blatant knockoff. However, I think it's crucial to understand the realities of Chinese manufacturing and how it came to be before we go passing judgement on a company that's chosen to stamp their name on what they make. I also think we should be careful using the word "theft" as if Ganzo broke into your house and stole your stuff. What we're really talking about are intellectual property rights, design exclusivity, and possibly the law of geopolitical zones in the context of a global economy.
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Theft is theft and judgement has already been passed.
 
Chronovore said:
But we really don't know. Who makes the Chinese-produced knives for Kershaw, CRKT, etc? What else do those manufacturers make? Of the "good" Chinese brands, which ones got their start doing this kind of stuff? Which of their employees did? How did some of these Chinese companies learn to make knives in the first place? What agreements did they have with which other companies for selling in which corners of the world market?

I knew a few expats who did QC for Asian manufacturing in other industries. According to them, knockoffs and store brands were often made in the same factories as the real deal, sometimes one line over from the real deal, by the same workers using the same materials.

I get it. Personally, I won't buy a blatant knockoff. However, I think it's crucial to understand the realities of Chinese manufacturing and how it came to be before we go passing judgement on a company that's chosen to stamp their name on what they make. I also think we should be careful using the word "theft" as if Ganzo broke into your house and stole your stuff. What we're really talking about are intellectual property rights, design exclusivity, and possibly the law of geopolitical zones in the context of a global economy.
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Read what I wrote again. You seem to have missed what I said completely.

And Ganzo did walk into someone else's business and take their stuff, quite literally.

All this has been discussed before. You seem to care passionately about this issue. As your position is not welcome, I'd suggest not wasting any more of your time trying to spread it here. There are plenty of other places on the internet that don't care about design theft, honesty, and integrity.
 
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o_O IMO , ideally a "forum" is a place to freely exchange information and differing opinions between members , in a somewhat civil manner .

Otherwise it's just an infomercial or an intellectually incestuous exclusive club .

Commercial self interest is understandable and valid , but the attendant extreme moral outrage seems excessive and misplaced . :(

I don't think it's wrong to recognize that Ganzo seems to be moving away from copying , even with the newer "Firebird" models and more so with the designer focused "Adimanti " line .

I should think that the forum might consider this trend, per se, to be a positive change .

A little carrot along with all that stick . ;)
 
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