New "designer line" of knives from Ganzo = Adimanti

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stabman said:
...It's pretty easy to tell which companies are doing things right, and which ones aren't.
It ain't rocket science.
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For you maybe.

New or young members don’t have the knowledge or wisdom that most forum members have. For them it’s not so easy.
 
Oh look, another "Hey Guys, Ganzo's ok now!" thread with the same defenders trying to obfuscate the facts with circular runaround arguments. Ganzo is a garbage company, and people who buy their products are signaling 100% a message of "I am ok with rewarding a scumbag cloner company who stole* the designs and locks of American companies in order to make clones of those products and sell them for cheap, and I'm a broke-ass who likes cheap knives that look just like knives I can't afford."

Seriously, can we just skip to the admission, and stop attempting to act like this is some sort of global economics class? Ganzo is a trash company, and every time they try to rebrand and rename, it's a marketing decision on their part to get people to forget that they're scumbags. It's that simple. Stop being gullible, it's embarrassing.


* Seriously guys, please stop trying to sidestep and schmooz around this fact. It's THEFT.
 
Alsharif said:
For what it's worth, for me this isn't about IP theft. I, among others, don't believe in IP at all. It's the moral principle. Companies and makers must adhere to the market, this particular market, on the whole, demands that original designs not be copied without the originators approval.
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I always wonder if your beliefs would change if you ever actually created something, grew to rely on the sale of that something to put food on your table, and it was stolen by another company and people started buying those copies instead because they were cheaper and a significant impact was caused in your income. What would your reaction be?
 
Quiet said:
I always wonder if your beliefs would change if you ever actually created something, grew to rely on the sale of that something to put food on your table, and it was stolen by another company and people started buying those copies instead because they were cheaper and a significant impact was caused in your income. What would your reaction be?
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The simple answer is I wouldn't rely on a product that can be easily duplicated with minimal effort, or I'd ensure that my product is sufficiently better to warrant the higher price.

"cloning" is not theft, doesn't make the practice ethical or moral. I don't support clones as a matter of principle, I also appreciate and value the quality of the original makers. I'm not here to disprove and discuss intellectual property.
 
Alsharif said:
The simple answer is I wouldn't rely on a product that can be easily duplicated with minimal effort, or I'd ensure that my product is sufficiently better to warrant the higher price.

"cloning" is not theft, doesn't make the practice ethical or moral. I don't support clones as a matter of principle, I also appreciate and value the quality of the original makers. I'm not here to disprove and discuss intellectual property.
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Everything here is incorrect. Cloning is UNethical. Also, your simple answer is also a complete sidestep of my question. Everything can be copied (as evidenced by how many companies do it), so I'll ask again. If you created something and relied on income from the sale of that product for your livelihood, and another company stole your IP and sold their copies of your product cheaper, which caused direct financial impact to you....you'd be ok with that? Yes or no?
 
Quiet said:
Everything here is incorrect. Cloning is UNethical. Also, your simple answer is also a complete sidestep of my question. Everything can be copied (as evidenced by how many companies do it), so I'll ask again. If you created something and relied on income from the sale of that product for your livelihood, and another company stole your IP and sold their copies of your product cheaper, which caused direct financial impact to you....you'd be ok with that? Yes or no?
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I don't consider IP as valid. If I made that poor life decision, yes.
 
Quiet said:
Oh look, another "Hey Guys, Ganzo's ok now!" thread with the same defenders trying to obfuscate the facts with circular runaround arguments. Ganzo is a garbage company, and people who buy their products are signaling 100% a message of "I am ok with rewarding a scumbag cloner company who stole* the designs and locks of American companies in order to make clones of those products and sell them for cheap, and I'm a broke-ass who likes cheap knives that look just like knives I can't afford."

Seriously, can we just skip to the admission, and stop attempting to act like this is some sort of global economics class? Ganzo is a trash company, and every time they try to rebrand and rename, it's a marketing decision on their part to get people to forget that they're scumbags. It's that simple. Stop being gullible, it's embarrassing.


* Seriously guys, please stop trying to sidestep and schmooz around this fact. It's THEFT.
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So, are you saying that if anyone purchased any Ganzo knife, they are guilty of theft?

BTW, show me where in this thread anyone said that Ganzo is an OK company. Oh wait, you can’t because nobody has said that. Not even close.
 
sabre cat said:
So, are you saying that if anyone purchased any Ganzo knife, they are guilty of theft?

BTW, show me where in this thread anyone said that Ganzo is an OK company. Oh wait, you can’t because nobody has said that. Not even close.
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No, that's not what I'm saying, but then, I know that you know that. Btw, ,show me where in this thread I made such a statement. :)

Thanks.
 
sabre cat said:
So, are you saying that if anyone purchased any Ganzo knife, they are guilty of theft?

BTW, show me where in this thread anyone said that Ganzo is an OK company. Oh wait, you can’t because nobody has said that. Not even close.
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You must have skipped the very first post.

Surely at least a step in the right direction

If there is any doubt, there is no doubt.
 
Alsharif said:
I don't consider IP as valid. If I made that poor life decision, yes.
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You don't consider IP valid, because you've never created anything of value. Your tune would absolutely change if you found yourself in the situation I described. Well, unless you're good with having your work and ideas stolen, which from what you're saying, it sounds like you are. Curious. Sad, really.
 
Quiet said:
You don't consider IP valid, because you've never created anything of value. Your tune would absolutely change if you found yourself in the situation I described. Well, unless you're good with having your work and ideas stolen, which from what you're saying, it sounds like you are. Curious. Sad, really.
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o k
 
stabman said:
Ganzo sucks.

Plenty of knives made in China by good companies are just fine, made with great materials, partnering with legitimate designers, and being ethical.
But there are also a bunch of shady scum companies to avoid like the plague.

It's pretty easy to tell which companies are doing things right, and which ones aren't.
It ain't rocket science.
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This.
 
Eli Chaps said:
You obviously have no concept of actual IP or real life business.

Whatever device you are typing on, is chuck full of highly guarded IP.
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You’re obviously are a fan of making assumptions. It does not matter that the device I have is “chuck full of highly guarded IP”. The world would not stop still and stagnate if there were no IP laws.
 
Alsharif said:
You’re obviously are a fan of making assumptions. It does not matter that the device I have is “chuck full of highly guarded IP”. The world would not stop still and stagnate if there were no IP laws.
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Your abject ignorance is both entertaining and appalling in equal measure. If there were no IP laws, the world absolutely would be worse off. I mean, I can't believe you're actually serious at this point. What company would expend resources in creating new products, goods, and services when some ghoul of a company full of leeches was just standing by ready to copy and produce copies of sad product, good, or service without having had to expend any resources or efforts in the actual development or creation of it? Candidly, that tells me that you do not value human ingenuity, creativity, or innovation. That's pathetic, and sad, frankly.

Every first world country* has IP laws for a reason.


*Where the bulk of innovation and top level technology, and scientific breakthroughs come from
 
Alsharif said:
You’re obviously are a fan of making assumptions. It does not matter that the device I have is “chuck full of highly guarded IP”. The world would not stop still and stagnate if there were no IP laws.
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Well see I gotsta make assumptions based on what I'm presented. And it is my experience that people who say they are anti-IP have no practical idea what they are talking about. It's your job as the communication sender to make your message clear and make me understand your position. My only job as the receiver is to pay attention and formulate questions, opinions, etc. 90% of the communication process is the responsibility of the sender. ;) Have ya ran a lot of new concept projects? Have ya guided a lot of manufacturing capitol? Have you been grilled by VP's? Have you ever invented anything and then had to scale it up?

IP is the only reason you have what you have right now. Further, I highly respect IP. I desperately want to use processes that violate other's IP. My life would be so much easier right now. But I can't. They did the work, they spent the money, it's their's. So what do I and my team do? We get better. We find a way to make a product that is at least as good, but hopefully superior, that our customers want and our company is willing to support. And we chase our own IP.

R&D, materials, scale-up, and that silly stuff costs money ya know? Companies kinda want that money back with some assurance of exclusivity.

IP theft, especially if and when it is government subsidized is bad for EVERYONE.

P.S.

Ganzo sucks.
 
Again, I’m not here to debate this, I’ve read enough to form an opinion. I disagree fundamentally with the idea of intellectual property. It’s not the reason why I oppose cloners like Ganzo, but we do have that in common.
 
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