New "designer line" of knives from Ganzo = Adimanti

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kylemiller said:
Do you guys put Hogue in the same category as Ganzo for what they did with Pardue's Griptillian? I don't think that level of "design borrowing" is any different from what Ganzo has done.
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Do you mean this knife?
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Planterz said:
You should try it some day.



You're under the delusion that moral outrage over despicable business practices is the result of group think. You are not the oppressed minority you like to imagine yourself as.



Spoken like a true Cold Steal fanboy.



I recognize that they are coming up with original designs while still making the ones that they stole. "Moving away from" stolen designs would require them to actually move away from them. And even if they ever do, it doesn't change their past. You can choose to be morally flexible and ambiguous as you want to be. Just don't get all pissy and indignant when other people don't. You'll never get your "See? I told you so" moment.
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:eek: Something I said must have really hit home ! :D

But thanks for mentioning Cold Steel , because it made me curious about why I've not seen any Ganzo copies .

Tons of actual counterfeits , of course . Which I avoid because they are seriously inferior products that only look like CS but lack the performance .I don't need moral apoplexy to avoid junk . :cool::thumbsdown:
 
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Makael said:
Not no, but HELL no!

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Ganzo knives, 6,7&8-series and look-alikes
G611, G612, G613, G614, G615, G616, G617, G618, G619,
G620, G621, G622, G623, G624, G6252, G6801, F6802AL,
G701, G702, G703, G704, G7041, F7041, G705, G706, G706-2, G707, G708, G709,
G710, G711, G712, G713, G714, G7142, G715, G716, G716-S, G717, G718, G719,
G720, G7211, G7212, G722, G723, G724, G725, G726, G727, G728, G729, F729, G7291,
G730, G732, G7321, G733, , F733, G7331, G734, G735, G7361, G7362, G7371, G7372, G738, G7391, G7392, G7392P, G7393, G7393P,
G740, G7411, G7412, G7412P, G7413, G7413P, G7421, G7431, G7432, G7451, G7452, G7452P, G7453, G7453P, G7461, G7463, G7471, G7472, G7482, G7491, G7492,
G7501, G7503, G7511, G7513, G7522, G7531, F753M1, G7533, F7542, G7561, F7562, G7563, F7563, G7582AL, F7582, F759M,
FB7601, FB7603,
G801, G8012, G802
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That is informative, for sure. Didn't know it was that bad. Can't understand why there is always someone attempting an excuse thread for this sorry excuse of a brand.
 
skyhorse said:
Really ?
Hogue Knives is proud to be the exclusive manufacturer of knives for Heckler and Koch. Our knives are made in the USA and will provide years of service through quality materials and superior craftsmanship.
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I'm only talking about your Ritter model. I really admire what you guys put out as a company outside of this. I think you make great stuff at a great price point. I also think Doug Ritter is absolutely the most important legal advocate our community has. I'm not looking for a reason to badmouth either of the entities. My point was general patterns being borrowed in the knife industry is a common practice. Ganzo has never made a clone knife. I was pointing out the grey area they operate in is shared by respected American companies too.
 
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kylemiller said:
That's the one. IMO has more in common with the Griptillian than the Ganzo variant of that pattern.

What do you guys think in this case? https://imgur.com/a/JV1cQXR
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Thanks for bringing this up. This knife is a great example of how IP works.

The IP for this pattern was retained my the designer Doug Ritter. When Benchmade ceased producing the model his agreement with Benchmade allowed him to take the pattern to a new company which turned out to be Hogue.

So you can see this is pretty well the opposite of what the folks at Ganzo do and why people here are OK with it. It's not any kind of double standard. It's all about a designer being able to partner with different knife companies to sell his work.

Ganzo flat out steals designs, IE sneaks into other knife companies booths and surreptitiously photos or otherwise despite the no camera signs. Then they sell those other maker's and designer's designs entirely for their own benefit without any credit or royalties paid to the person holding the IP.

That's why they're a garbage company and always will be. That's why whenever someone comes on here and tries to present them as a viable option that person's case is picked apart line by line and annihilated.
 
craytab said:
I wonder how many forum members have been made aware ...[and]...stopped buying these brands over the years from discussions like this?

I know of at least one.
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You can put me on that list.

Clone awareness from this forum started me down the path. And since someone previously touched on social-economic factors, those have triggered me to the point that now I won’t buy a knife made in China regardless of manufacturer.

I seem to remember danbot danbot having a saying about China...

kylemiller said:
Ganzo has never made a clone knife
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Ok. Thanks for that.
This little gem was surely a product of independent thought. :rolleyes:

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4mer_FMF said:
You can put me on that list.

Clone awareness from this forum started me down the path. And since someone previously touched on social-economic factors, those have triggered me to the point that now I won’t buy a knife made in China regardless of manufacturer.

I seem to remember danbot danbot having a saying about China...



Ok. Thanks for that.
This little gem was surely a product of independent thought. :rolleyes:

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Define “Clone.”
 
4mer_FMF said:
You can put me on that list.

Clone awareness from this forum started me down the path. And since someone previously touched on social-economic factors, those have triggered me to the point that now I won’t buy a knife made in China regardless of manufacturer.

I seem to remember danbot danbot having a saying about China...



Ok. Thanks for that.
This little gem was surely a product of independent thought. :rolleyes:

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"clone" strictly means an EXACT copy , indistinguishable from the original . From the term clone in biology = having the exact same DNA .

A serious attempt to counterfeit might properly be called a clone , including fake box and documentation / papers .
 
Ok. Thanks for that.
This little gem was surely a product of independent thought. :rolleyes:

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Oh I take clone to mean clone. Like with a Spyderco logo and box. Actually trying to present as a Delica. You must take huge exception with the traditional world. I mean, Case, GEC and Rough Rider are having a field day with this definition of clone.
 
Danke42 said:
Thanks for bringing this up. This knife is a great example of how IP works.

The IP for this pattern was retained my the designer Doug Ritter. When Benchmade ceased producing the model his agreement with Benchmade allowed him to take the pattern to a new company which turned out to be Hogue.
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Just the blade shape or the entire handle profile? If so, that's awfully generous of Benchmade and Mel Pardue. If anyone deserves that kind of treatment it would be Doug Ritter. Is there any press release or source for this information though? I'm just curious.
 
kylemiller said:
Just the blade shape or the entire handle profile? If so, that's awfully generous of Benchmade and Mel Pardue. If anyone deserves that kind of treatment it would be Doug Ritter. Is there any press release or source for this information though? I'm just curious.
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Yes there has been quite a bit of press. I would be very surprised if you weren't able find any. This was from 4 years ago when you joined up.
 
Alright, if a clone is a EXACT copy, then Ganzo is not guilty of counterfeiting or cloning. So what are they guilty of?

There is little doubt in my mind that they are a company with low business ethics. Especially if they are guilty of snapping prototype pictures after a request that they cease.

I am not saying that we should give Ganzo a pass on past actions but, rather question why other companies are given chances to improve and redeem themselves when Ganzo is not. Someone even thinks about Ganzo and forum members start reaching for their pitchforks.
 
For the record, I've only purchased the apparently original Firebird designs including the FH11, FH41, and FH71. I won't buy an obvious knockoff. I think it's in poor taste since I live in a country where the real versions are on the market, even if a particular model is outside of my price range and I'd never actually buy one. However, do I feel the same way about the same knockoff being sold by Chinese distributors in Asia, the Russian Federation, or somewhere where the original might not be available? I don't know and this is more of the "gray" side of this issue.

I also wonder about the legal issues since Ganzo's offending models have been widely available on America's largest online retailer for years now. You'd think the offended companies could easily have those listings taken down. Why is that allowed?
 
How in the world do you guys find the time to regrind this same old rancid sausage over and over and over and over... tirelessly repeating yourselves, chest pounding, proclaiming your moral indignation, misinterpreting words on purpose (or not) so you can have butt hurt straw man arguements, trying to come up with the most clever smart ass remarks, bashing China, bashing each other... how much time will you guys devote to this same old crap?

Even the guys that complain about this topic and how they attract a lot of attention (and shouldn't), are posting regularly on the topic they think should be ignored or left alone. Oh, the irony.

I am hoping some moderator will thumbtack this thread, and the next time someone brings up the bogeyman... Ganzo... or China... they can simply point to it. I know you don't get to several thousand posts by ignoring stuff, but maybe it's time for a new bogeyman.

Robert
 
Ganzo sucks.

Plenty of knives made in China by good companies are just fine, made with great materials, partnering with legitimate designers, and being ethical.
But there are also a bunch of shady scum companies to avoid like the plague.

It's pretty easy to tell which companies are doing things right, and which ones aren't.
It ain't rocket science.
 
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