New Doug Ritter folder

The point is, the article about the original Mk1 references the discussions between Pardue, Ritter, and Benchmade & calls the Mk1 a collaborative effort manufactured to his specifications. There is also a quote from Pardue which seems to indicate that Ritter had his blessing, regarding the use of the handle design. I think the biggest issue now stems from the colloquial name Ritter Grip for a knife that was manufactured under a different name. Rather than accepting it as a separate thing, or denouncing it as a clone, it was widely embraced as an improved version of the griptilian. Now, years later, the person whose name has been on it all this time is continuing production with another manufacturer; and suddenly it's a problem. But is it because the knife more of a clone now than it was then? Or is it because people failed to accept it as the RSK Mk1, and now they are confronted by it no longer being a griptilian?
I've wasted too much time on this discussion already. Time for me to focus on things that actually impact my world.

The Ritter Mk.1 was done under the Benchmade name. Benchmade has partial ownership of the design and Pardue the other part. Since Benchmade has ownership of the design they can call up Doug Ritter and ask him to design a new blade as an add on to their knife design. That doesn’t give doug ownership of the handle design.

It’s like in some Bentleys they put a Breitling watch in the dashboard. If Bentley and Breitling part ways Breitling cannot afterwards go to Mercedes and make a deal with them to produce copies of the Bentleys with a Breitling in the dashboard. That clock on the dash gave them no ownership of Bentley’s designs.

In the same way just because Benchmade had Ritter design an optional add on blade (the clock) for their Griptillians doesn’t mean it is ok for Doug to go to another company to produce a new griptillian (the car)
 
Now, having said my piece, I also am bowing out of this thread.

Excellent, now we can have some peace without Quiet. Sorry, I couldn't resist.:p

But seriously, this whole argument is just pure speculation and conjecture. It really just needs to stop and just talk about the knife. And since it has already been mentioned that there are none in circulation and only very few people have handled the knife at a blade show, then there really is no need for three new pages on this thread about the "New Doug Ritter folder". Every time I see this thread at the top of the new replies I think someone has some new info on the knife and sadly that has yet to be the case.

So to try and add some sort of actual information to this thread: those that had the RSK G1, what was it that you loved? Was it just the blade? The exclusivity? The steel type? The fact it supported knife rights?

I missed out on getting an original RSK G1 since I was not a knife nut yet but researching the subject I found an overwhelming majority that loved the knife. There were a few that said it wasn't for them but nothing can be perfect to everyone. I have a 551-1 and think it's a fine knife. But if I could choose to buy a G1 I don't know that I could have done so with the FRN handles. I bought a mini grip as a gift for someone and took it out of the packaging to handle it and give it a last QC before gifting it. Everything was fine on the knife but the plastic handles really turned me off. Obviously there are aftermarket handles but I'm not big on modding my knives as I have yet to change anything on them.

Now having read that the RSK G2 had G-10 and the handles are a bit less bulky (plus open construction) definitely made me pull the trigger. Can't wait to get the knife in hand. I like my Grip but I personally don't find it as my most comfortable knife in hand. Some of that may have to do with the deep pocket clip which is a hot spot for me. I'm hoping the G2 with the thinner handles eliminates that for me.
 
Ritter did post a picture of the stand offs on the new knife on his site. They look pretty standard to me as a whole, comparable to the 551-1 and 940 standoffs.

The handles themselves do look a bit different at this angle, with what looks like a palm swell unique to the MSk1 G2 (though I am relying on the photos, I couldn't say with absolute certainty either way)

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My POV:
Benchmade didn't design the Griptilian. Mel Pardue designed the Griptilian.
The RSK G1 was basically a Pardue/Ritter collaboration that was manufactured by Benchmade.
So, if Doug Ritter had Mel Pardue's blessing, I have zero issues with Hogue making the new RSK G2. Good on Doug for finding a manufacturer to bring the RSK back to life.
Further, I have no pity for Benchmade in this particular situation. Serves them right for making the boneheaded decision to stop making the RSK G1 knives (and the HK knives, for that matter). Hoping HK brings back the McHenry/Williams lock knives as well, now that any manufacturer has access to it.
 
Life and business are complicated and often opaque for good reason. There are many, many perfectly good reasons that folks don't want others to know what transpired to reach a particular point, decision or effect. Why and how things occur in life and business are often not completely or even minimally clear or evidenced by what we see publicly as a result of that opaqueness.

As a journalist I am often privy to back stories about some business activity that was told to me "off the record" in confidence. I am often amazed, humored, and sometimes shocked, at the conclusions good folks draw about things that they see occur which have no basis in reality, because I know the back story and they don't. Being way too involved in political issues with Knife Rights, I know firsthand that the public result is often a product of things that occur behind the scenes which the public will never know. Because, that's how things get done in the real world.

My grandfather, a pretty wise man I think, used to have a number of sayings that were imprinted upon me as I grew up. He'd remind me often that I "didn't know what I didn't know." He also liked to say that "ignorance is bliss" and I should be careful about "making assumptions from a position of 'bliss'" because "assumptions too often result in making you an ass."

When I made assumptions or jumped to unwarranted conclusions he'd caution me to not assign maliciousness, or stupidity, to actions about which I was ignorant, because I didn't know what I didn't know. He'd say, "don't be an 'ass,' Doug," to remind me of his admonitions.

I see all too much of that online these days, to say nothing of seeing it in the news on a daily basis. Many of the assumptions made in this discussion are clearly the result of not knowing the whole story. Some are actually pretty close to the truth, others are just bizarre. Some folks apparently have vivid imaginations. Some evidently have no idea how things work in the knife business or maybe even in business in general, and certainly not in this particular instance. And, for good reason, those involved choose to keep their business affairs confidential. Because, that's how the real world works.

In any case, folks here should know that Mel Pardue and I have known each other for about 20 years. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mel who is a gentleman of the highest order. Just a few weeks ago Mel and I spoke and caught up on our families, our various ailments, our ongoing knifemaking projects, business affairs and life in general. As always, it was a pleasure to spend time with him.

As has been noted, everyone has opinions. It is said that everyone has a right to their opinion, but that doesn't mean every opinion is grounded in actual knowledge, because they often cannot be. I try to remember what my grandfather taught me and try hard to make sure my own opinions are based on facts I know, not assumptions made on what I don't know, and what often cannot, for good reason, be revealed or discussed publicly.

I am reminded of an apocryphal tale that's been around for some time: The Wedding Ceremony

The wedding ceremony came to the point where the Minister asked those attending had any objection to the union of the bride and groom to speak now or forever hold your peace.

After a brief moment of utter silence, just as the Minister was prepared to move on a young woman carrying a child stood up and starts walking down the aisle towards the wedding party.

The congregation was aghast - you could have heard a pin drop.

The groom's jaw dropped as he stared at the approaching young woman and child.

Chaos ensued. The bride threw the bouquet in the air and burst out crying. Then the groom's mother fainted. The best men started giving each other looks and wondering how to save the situation.

As she approached the wedding party the Minister asked the woman, "Why have you come forward? What do you have to say?"

There was absolute silence in the church.

The woman replied, "we can't hear you in the back."

And that, my dears, illustrates what happens when people make the wrong assumptions and jump to the wrong conclusions!
 
Life and business are complicated and often opaque for good reason. There are many, many perfectly good reasons that folks don't want others to know what transpired to reach a particular point, decision or effect. Why and how things occur in life and business are often not completely or even minimally clear or evidenced by what we see publicly as a result of that opaqueness.

As a journalist I am often privy to back stories about some business activity that was told to me "off the record" in confidence. I am often amazed, humored, and sometimes shocked, at the conclusions good folks draw about things that they see occur which have no basis in reality, because I know the back story and they don't. Being way too involved in political issues with Knife Rights, I know firsthand that the public result is often a product of things that occur behind the scenes which the public will never know. Because, that's how things get done in the real world.

My grandfather, a pretty wise man I think, used to have a number of sayings that were imprinted upon me as I grew up. He'd remind me often that I "didn't know what I didn't know." He also liked to say that "ignorance is bliss" and I should be careful about "making assumptions from a position of 'bliss'" because "assumptions too often result in making you an ass."

When I made assumptions or jumped to unwarranted conclusions he'd caution me to not assign maliciousness, or stupidity, to actions about which I was ignorant, because I didn't know what I didn't know. He'd say, "don't be an 'ass,' Doug," to remind me of his admonitions.

I see all too much of that online these days, to say nothing of seeing it in the news on a daily basis. Many of the assumptions made in this discussion are clearly the result of not knowing the whole story. Some are actually pretty close to the truth, others are just bizarre. Some folks apparently have vivid imaginations. Some evidently have no idea how things work in the knife business or maybe even in business in general, and certainly not in this particular instance. And, for good reason, those involved choose to keep their business affairs confidential. Because, that's how the real world works.

In any case, folks here should know that Mel Pardue and I have known each other for about 20 years. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mel who is a gentleman of the highest order. Just a few weeks ago Mel and I spoke and caught up on our families, our various ailments, our ongoing knifemaking projects, business affairs and life in general. As always, it was a pleasure to spend time with him.

As has been noted, everyone has opinions. It is said that everyone has a right to their opinion, but that doesn't mean every opinion is grounded in actual knowledge, because they often cannot be. I try to remember what my grandfather taught me and try hard to make sure my own opinions are based on facts I know, not assumptions made on what I don't know, and what often cannot, for good reason, be revealed or discussed publicly.

I am reminded of an apocryphal tale that's been around for some time: The Wedding Ceremony

The wedding ceremony came to the point where the Minister asked those attending had any objection to the union of the bride and groom to speak now or forever hold your peace.

After a brief moment of utter silence, just as the Minister was prepared to move on a young woman carrying a child stood up and starts walking down the aisle towards the wedding party.

The congregation was aghast - you could have heard a pin drop.

The groom's jaw dropped as he stared at the approaching young woman and child.

Chaos ensued. The bride threw the bouquet in the air and burst out crying. Then the groom's mother fainted. The best men started giving each other looks and wondering how to save the situation.

As she approached the wedding party the Minister asked the woman, "Why have you come forward? What do you have to say?"

There was absolute silence in the church.

The woman replied, "we can't hear you in the back."

And that, my dears, illustrates what happens when people make the wrong assumptions and jump to the wrong conclusions!
Thanks for sharing this with us. I’m a little surprised you bothered to come back given the roasting you’ve endured. Your word is good for me and I won’t hesitate to buy the new knife when it fits my EDC needs.
 
Not really. The BK"12" is just a rebranded BK10, isn't it? They're both KAbar products branded under the "Becker" name, aren't they? They're very similar, just with some weight gimmickry in the handle. I've held one and noticed little discernible difference. It certainly doesn't have any elements that would allow me to "survive" better than I could with a regular BK10.

That's really my point. We're talking about established products with minimal changes versus another company now producing what was another company's bread and butter model with minimal changes. At this juncture, I don't really care what the foibles are. I think vastly less of Doug Ritter, and don't care what his explanations are, I'll never give him or his organization a dime. Everyone else here is free to do as they wish.

The BK10 and BK12 are similar blade shapes and sizes. The 10 has a 5.5" blade with a top swedge and little more belly, when the 12 has a 6" blade with less belly and a saber grind with no swedge. Both are same thickness. Both are great knives, but I have knives in that size range that I like better, like my HDFK and BK5, so both of those are gone. The weights are kinda gimmicky to me. I can't tell a difference either way. @Padruig has my 12 now and I believe that he likes it!
 
Life and business are complicated and often opaque for good reason. There are many, many perfectly good reasons that folks don't want others to know what transpired to reach a particular point, decision or effect. Why and how things occur in life and business are often not completely or even minimally clear or evidenced by what we see publicly as a result of that opaqueness.

As a journalist I am often privy to back stories about some business activity that was told to me "off the record" in confidence. I am often amazed, humored, and sometimes shocked, at the conclusions good folks draw about things that they see occur which have no basis in reality, because I know the back story and they don't. Being way too involved in political issues with Knife Rights, I know firsthand that the public result is often a product of things that occur behind the scenes which the public will never know. Because, that's how things get done in the real world.

My grandfather, a pretty wise man I think, used to have a number of sayings that were imprinted upon me as I grew up. He'd remind me often that I "didn't know what I didn't know." He also liked to say that "ignorance is bliss" and I should be careful about "making assumptions from a position of 'bliss'" because "assumptions too often result in making you an ass."

When I made assumptions or jumped to unwarranted conclusions he'd caution me to not assign maliciousness, or stupidity, to actions about which I was ignorant, because I didn't know what I didn't know. He'd say, "don't be an 'ass,' Doug," to remind me of his admonitions.

I see all too much of that online these days, to say nothing of seeing it in the news on a daily basis. Many of the assumptions made in this discussion are clearly the result of not knowing the whole story. Some are actually pretty close to the truth, others are just bizarre. Some folks apparently have vivid imaginations. Some evidently have no idea how things work in the knife business or maybe even in business in general, and certainly not in this particular instance. And, for good reason, those involved choose to keep their business affairs confidential. Because, that's how the real world works.

In any case, folks here should know that Mel Pardue and I have known each other for about 20 years. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mel who is a gentleman of the highest order. Just a few weeks ago Mel and I spoke and caught up on our families, our various ailments, our ongoing knifemaking projects, business affairs and life in general. As always, it was a pleasure to spend time with him.

As has been noted, everyone has opinions. It is said that everyone has a right to their opinion, but that doesn't mean every opinion is grounded in actual knowledge, because they often cannot be. I try to remember what my grandfather taught me and try hard to make sure my own opinions are based on facts I know, not assumptions made on what I don't know, and what often cannot, for good reason, be revealed or discussed publicly.

I am reminded of an apocryphal tale that's been around for some time: The Wedding Ceremony

The wedding ceremony came to the point where the Minister asked those attending had any objection to the union of the bride and groom to speak now or forever hold your peace.

After a brief moment of utter silence, just as the Minister was prepared to move on a young woman carrying a child stood up and starts walking down the aisle towards the wedding party.

The congregation was aghast - you could have heard a pin drop.

The groom's jaw dropped as he stared at the approaching young woman and child.

Chaos ensued. The bride threw the bouquet in the air and burst out crying. Then the groom's mother fainted. The best men started giving each other looks and wondering how to save the situation.

As she approached the wedding party the Minister asked the woman, "Why have you come forward? What do you have to say?"

There was absolute silence in the church.

The woman replied, "we can't hear you in the back."

And that, my dears, illustrates what happens when people make the wrong assumptions and jump to the wrong conclusions!

Thank you for the comment. Love the release but 4.5oz is a wee bit heavy for me for a daily driver. Will we see a smaller/mini version in the near future. TIA
 
Hey Doug Ritter!
What color are the standoff spacers?
When are these actually supposed to ship out? I am wondering when to expect my pre-order.
 
Hey Doug Ritter!
What color are the standoff spacers?
When are these actually supposed to ship out? I am wondering when to expect my pre-order.




From the photo above it looks like they are going to be silver.
 
Life and business are complicated and often opaque for good reason. There are many, many perfectly good reasons that folks don't want others to know what transpired to reach a particular point, decision or effect. Why and how things occur in life and business are often not completely or even minimally clear or evidenced by what we see publicly as a result of that opaqueness.

As a journalist I am often privy to back stories about some business activity that was told to me "off the record" in confidence. I am often amazed, humored, and sometimes shocked, at the conclusions good folks draw about things that they see occur which have no basis in reality, because I know the back story and they don't. Being way too involved in political issues with Knife Rights, I know firsthand that the public result is often a product of things that occur behind the scenes which the public will never know. Because, that's how things get done in the real world.

My grandfather, a pretty wise man I think, used to have a number of sayings that were imprinted upon me as I grew up. He'd remind me often that I "didn't know what I didn't know." He also liked to say that "ignorance is bliss" and I should be careful about "making assumptions from a position of 'bliss'" because "assumptions too often result in making you an ass."

When I made assumptions or jumped to unwarranted conclusions he'd caution me to not assign maliciousness, or stupidity, to actions about which I was ignorant, because I didn't know what I didn't know. He'd say, "don't be an 'ass,' Doug," to remind me of his admonitions.

I see all too much of that online these days, to say nothing of seeing it in the news on a daily basis. Many of the assumptions made in this discussion are clearly the result of not knowing the whole story. Some are actually pretty close to the truth, others are just bizarre. Some folks apparently have vivid imaginations. Some evidently have no idea how things work in the knife business or maybe even in business in general, and certainly not in this particular instance. And, for good reason, those involved choose to keep their business affairs confidential. Because, that's how the real world works.

In any case, folks here should know that Mel Pardue and I have known each other for about 20 years. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Mel who is a gentleman of the highest order. Just a few weeks ago Mel and I spoke and caught up on our families, our various ailments, our ongoing knifemaking projects, business affairs and life in general. As always, it was a pleasure to spend time with him.

As has been noted, everyone has opinions. It is said that everyone has a right to their opinion, but that doesn't mean every opinion is grounded in actual knowledge, because they often cannot be. I try to remember what my grandfather taught me and try hard to make sure my own opinions are based on facts I know, not assumptions made on what I don't know, and what often cannot, for good reason, be revealed or discussed publicly.

I am reminded of an apocryphal tale that's been around for some time: The Wedding Ceremony

The wedding ceremony came to the point where the Minister asked those attending had any objection to the union of the bride and groom to speak now or forever hold your peace.

After a brief moment of utter silence, just as the Minister was prepared to move on a young woman carrying a child stood up and starts walking down the aisle towards the wedding party.

The congregation was aghast - you could have heard a pin drop.

The groom's jaw dropped as he stared at the approaching young woman and child.

Chaos ensued. The bride threw the bouquet in the air and burst out crying. Then the groom's mother fainted. The best men started giving each other looks and wondering how to save the situation.

As she approached the wedding party the Minister asked the woman, "Why have you come forward? What do you have to say?"

There was absolute silence in the church.

The woman replied, "we can't hear you in the back."

And that, my dears, illustrates what happens when people make the wrong assumptions and jump to the wrong conclusions!
That's an awful lot of talking to not in any way answer the question at hand. Is there an agreement concerning this knife, or is this simply an unauthorized copy of the previous Benchmade model?
 
Just read all the specs on knifeworks for the preorder. This knife looks bad to the bone, an improvement IMO. M390 at 61-62 HRC, I may have to pick this.

I’m hoping a Benchmade clip will fit on this.
 
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