New Doug Ritter folder

shunsui said:
If Benchmade or Mel Pardue have valid intellectual property issues with the knife, I'm sure there are plenty of lawyers available to represent them in the proper forum, the courts.
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I agree with this and don't understand all the anger, which almost comes across as virtue signaling to me. If you don't like Doug's knife, don't buy it...Benchmade is capable of fighting its own battles.
 
shunsui said:
Some folks just don't agree with you.
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Apologies if I misunderstood your post, but you certainly seemed to say that you didn't in any way disagree that the ethics of the situation were questionable, but that you didn't care at all if they were. Otherwise why say that you didn't care if it was made by the devil himself? It certainly reads as a declaration that, if you like a knife enough, you don't care at all about the ethics of those that produce it.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Apologies if I misunderstood your post, but you certainly seemed to say that you didn't in any way disagree that the ethics of the situation were questionable, but that you didn't care at all if they were. Otherwise why say that you didn't care if it was made by the devil himself? It certainly reads as a declaration that, if you like a knife enough, you don't care at all about the ethics of those that produce it.
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I don't think anyone's being harmed, and if they are, the courts are the place to address the issue.
 
shunsui said:
I don't think anyone's being harmed, and if they are, the courts are the place to address the issue.
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I would argue the knife community as a whole is harmed when clones and copies proliferate and having perhaps the most visible spokesperson for our community hawking what appears to be, on the surface at least, a clone using elements from another designer encourages the same behavior from others. I sincerely doubt that a court case would be worth the cost and risk to those affected, but I'm also secure in the knowledge that courts may determine what is legal, not what is right or wrong.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I would argue the knife community as a whole is harmed when clones and copies proliferate and having perhaps the most visible spokesperson for our community hawking what appears to be, on the surface at least, a clone using elements from another designer encourages the same behavior from others. I sincerely doubt that a court case would be worth the cost and risk to those affected, but I'm also secure in the knowledge that courts may determine what is legal, not what is right or wrong.
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I suppose the "knife community as a whole" could run down the streets with baseball bats, breaking store windows, and chanting: "No Justice, No Peace."

But I think it would be more prudent to assume that thing about innocent until proven guilty, until anyone harmed proves their case in court.

As for Right and Wrong, I'm sure you'll keep us updated on how you think the world should be run.
 
shunsui said:
I suppose the "knife community as a whole" could run down the streets with baseball bats, breaking store windows, and chanting: "No Justice, No Peace."

But I think it would be more prudent to assume that thing about innocent until proven guilty, until anyone harmed proves their case in court.

As for Right and Wrong, I'm sure you'll keep us updated on how you think the world should be run.
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Innocent until proven guilty is simply silly to bring up in a case like this. That's a standard of proof that only applies to criminal matters. Even if this was to go to court it would be judged by a preponderance of evidence, since this would be civil court.

The idea that we must ignore the evidence of our eyes and act as though nothing is going on or demand no explanation when something is plain as day in front of us is a ridiculous sop in a situation like this.

Hell, if we want to go with the justice system since we're talking about an accusation rather than a verdict the bar for evidence is even lower, it's called 'reasonable, articulable suspicion' and folks have easily met that bar.
 
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Insipid Moniker said:
Innocent until proven guilty is simply silly to bring up in a case like this.
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The idea that we must ignore the evidence of our eyes and act as though nothing is going on or demand no explanation when something is plain as day in front of us is a ridiculous sop in a situation like this.
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SpySmasher said:
You don't care who makes all of your knives generally or you don't care who makes this knife specifically? If the latter, why?
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To be clear, I don't care who's offended by this knife.

And on that note, I'm out of here.

Ya'll keep the party going.
 
shunsui said:
To be clear, I don't care who's offended by this knife.

And on that note, I'm out of here.

Ya'll keep the party going.
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Okie dokie but that statement of yours was probably the most interesting post in this thread.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
Interesting that you felt rhe need to cut out pieces of my quote here. Care to actually respond to my arguments, or are you just gonna post a video and run away?
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I think the long and short of it is that shunsui doesn’t care, which is marvellous, because nobody here cares very much for shunsui.
 
craytab said:
This new one has not been explained with credit given to the original designer.
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I couldn't give you the answer you want, but credit for the collaborative design was already given to Benchmade who Pardue worked with (and designed) on the Griptilian series. I guess Ritter should give credit to the first knife maker who used G10 scales, thumb-studs, and a steel liner? At some point you can read to far into a perceived slight that it becomes ridiculous and I truly don't think Ritter intended that nor do I think Pardue is losing sleep over it either.
 
ROCK6 said:
I couldn't give you the answer you want, but credit for the collaborative design was already given to Benchmade who Pardue worked with (and designed) on the Griptilian series. I guess Ritter should give credit to the first knife maker who used G10 scales, thumb-studs, and a steel liner? At some point you can read to far into a perceived slight that it becomes ridiculous and I truly don't think Ritter intended that nor do I think Pardue is losing sleep over it either.
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He didn't design the knife. He gave credit to everyone but the guy who designed the knife. If you want to be a pillar in the knife community you can't do that. I guess some people don't care about who does the copying....
 
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