New fun game...find the knifekit that R. Weber custom knives built

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Listen guys,i dont know either of these members,sticky or r.weber, i figure this is gonna get outta hand sooner or later,we dont need that here,were all supposed to get along and try to be freinds, it would be totally diffrent if sticky would have purchased a knife from r.weber,and then found out it was not handmade only custom made,then he would have a reason to fuss!! @ weber, not post it here to get a bunch of stuff started, lets dont all jump on a ban wagon,becouse of what someone says,i think weber has explained his case. It needs to be dropped,people should ask b4 they buy,unless it is noted handmade,then there are no excuses,if they dont think it is handmade!
 
Looks like he has removed the video. I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but I do know a scam when I see one.
 
Mannlicher said:
Other than that, how an individual 'makes' his knives is his own business.
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I agree, I have no problem with him using premade blades or knife kits, customizing them and reselling them. Plenty of others do similar things, and from what I see he does a pretty good job with it. I just think he could stand to be a bit more up front about it.
 
Gently, gently. No need for emotional responses. Most members posting in this thread understand that there are many degrees of effort and excellence in creating a knife. Terminology tends to overlap, custom/customized, each maker feels what he does deserves the best face he can put on it. That's fine, too, as long as the buyer has easy access to what it is that the maker adds to the knife.

This is exactly the kind of discussion we need to have. Just keep it polite: address the issues without denigrating others for their opinions.
 
Mannlicher said:
There are, in my humble opinion, two things a knife maker needs to do, to be 'ethical'.
Be up front in your advertising, about your material, methods, and the extent to which you 'make' the knives you sell.
Second, answer any questions by customers honestly.

Other than that, how an individual 'makes' his knives is his own business.
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Should be a sticky!!:thumbup:

As far as Mr. Weber's work goes, I didn't see anywhere on his site where he stated anything other than the fact he "built" the knives displayed on his site, and that is exactly what he has done! Knife kits are meant to be assembled (built), blade blanks are meant to be ground and have handle slabs added to them! That is a far cry from taking another company's already built knife, needlessly cutting away part of the blade, heat treating it ten times, and then advertising it for sale as one's own "custom knife!"
 
A custom knife is supposed to be a knife made by the maker. Customized = changes made to a preexisting knife.

Making a knife from a kit = kit knife. It doesn't matter how you embellish it or how good of a job you do, it is a kit knife. Calling it anything else in order to make a buck is dishonest.
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
A custom knife is supposed to be a knife made by the maker. Customized = changes made to a preexisting knife.

Making a knife from a kit = kit knife. It doesn't matter how you embellish it or how good of a job you do, it is a kit knife. Calling it anything else in order to make a buck is dishonest.
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Rat, most people in the industry can't even agree on what a "custom" knife is. Merely assembling a kit knife is one thing, but re-grinding the kit knife's blade, doing filework and engraving, and adding your own scales is, in my opinion, quite different. It stops being just a "kit knife" the moment the original materials or design are altered, removed, and/or modified. If we disagree on that, no biggie, we just disagree.:thumbup:
 
Mr. Webber works looks very good. As long as he answer his customers questions about source of blades he is totally ok with me.

When you build Custom bikes or cars, you don't have to start only with some metal tubing. Same is with knives.
 
idaho said:
mr. Webber works looks very good. As long as he answer his customers questions about source of blades he is totally ok with me.

When you build custom bikes or cars, you don't have to start only with some metal tubing. Same is with knives.
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and there you have it,one of the best replys in this thread,sums up everything to a tee. In 9 out of 10 "handmade" knives there is something we the maker bought,screws,pins,spacers,handle material,ect we did not handmake that peice of the knife,we used it or added it to are knife blade we made,is it still a hand made peice ???
 
I hope my quote above on idaho"s post you read and take into consideration,becouse it is the truth,and any maker knows and understands that,or i say should understand it,hope this thread burns out soon,lol,looks as it has just turned in to a raging fire!!
 
rweber said:
Yep its a kit knife, I didnt make claims I desiged it or its Hand made it.
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Yes, but you didn't say you didn't hand make it. I think the quality of your work looks fantastic, but I think as a consumer I have the right to know that the base model knife you started with was a $20 kit knife. I expect better quality components from a $100 knife than a $20 one. Besides, investors know that the value of custom knives is often influenced by intangible things. Collectors tend to devalue kit knives regardless of how well they're finished, so someone buying one of your knives as an investment might get a real shock when he tries to resell it.

BETTER LOOK AROUND AT THE TOP Sellers in the industry they Just cash the check...and maybe approve the box its shipped in.
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I would really like to know which makers you are referring to here. Are these people calling their product a 'handmade' knife? If so then I want to avoid them.

I'm not knocking the quality of your work--it looks good. But as a consumer I want to know as much as possible about a product I'm thinking of buying, especially when it comes to buying custom knives.
 
bacustomknives said:
and there you have it,one of the best replys in this thread,sums up everything to a tee. In 9 out of 10 "handmade" knives there is something we the maker bought,screws,pins,spacers,handle material,ect we did not handmake that peice of the knife,we used it or added it to are knife blade we made,is it still a hand made peice ???
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Thats the thing everyones opinion differs on what is hand made or not. For me a hand made product should at least be made from sheats of metal being cut out according to the makers design (depending if he has the tools or he might have someone do it for them and the heat treat. It is still his design) Handle must be made by him out of wood, G10, Micarta etc. (it is possible to do with minimal equipment). Lock has to be made for that specific knife by the maker. Be it liner or lock back. Final sanding, quility inspection and fitting should be done by maker. Screws pins etc can be bought because no one can just simply make a screw without the right machenery and those can be VERY expensive depending on the quility and it is difficult for smaller knife makers to afford that.

Those are my minimum requirements and a kit knife does not fall into those minimal requirements since blade design, handle, lock are pre-cut and heat treated. Only assembly needed with final tweaking.

Many people will dissagree with me on this but, thus, what would the world be without different opinions....boring. This is just mine.

The costumiser/modivication of this knife (in my point of view is all that was done) should inform the client this is a kit knife with file work etc.
 
I'm not one for bringing some kind of morality or seller's obligations into the equation - I simply won't buy his knives.
 
I personally have several Weber knives in my collection and I think they are wonderful craftsmanship. I have never seen a kit knife that had all the work and or detail that Mr. Weber knives have as a finished product. I have several "custom " knives in my collection that will not hold a candle to Mr. Weber's knives. To me you look at the end result and the craftsmanship in a knife and decide if YOU want to own it or not ! I have even taken the time to visit Mr. Weber's shop and found him to be a stand-up guy .That being said I will continue to buy knives from Mr. Weber. Maybe we should check out some of the knives made by the people attacking his knives and see how their workmanship stacks up ! P.S. I have also seen his service records and he is a career veteran just for those who have doubts.
 
3Guardsmen said:
Rat, most people in the industry can't even agree on what a "custom" knife is. Merely assembling a kit knife is one thing, but re-grinding the kit knife's blade, doing filework and engraving, and adding your own scales is, in my opinion, quite different. It stops being just a "kit knife" the moment the original materials or design are altered, removed, and/or modified. If we disagree on that, no biggie, we just disagree.:thumbup:
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Most people would agree that in order to make a knife, you have to machine and/or grind the blade. It is what determines the blade's performance, along with the choice of steel. With a kit knife you generally have low end to mid grade stainless and a large batch heat treat.

If just fiddling with an existing blade makes it a custom, then Johnny Lightning is a custom maker.
 
jingles1952 said:
I personally have several Weber knives in my collection and I think they are wonderful craftsmanship. I have never seen a kit knife that had all the work and or detail that Mr. Weber knives have as a finished product. I have several "custom " knives in my collection that will not hold a candle to Mr. Weber's knives. To me you look at the end result and the craftsmanship in a knife and decide if YOU want to own it or not ! I have even taken the time to visit Mr. Weber's shop and found him to be a stand-up guy .That being said I will continue to buy knives from Mr. Weber. Maybe we should check out some of the knives made by the people attacking his knives and see how their workmanship stacks up ! P.S. I have also seen his service records and he is a career veteran just for those who have doubts.
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In all seriousness, how much credibility do you think you have here, signing up
to write this? How objective do you appear, stating that you have been to his shop and have seen his service records?
 
Lol,im giving up on this thread,i think its so dang funny how one mans words,can deceive the the minds and mouths of 100"s of people,thats whats wrong with the world today,if everyone would keep there nose outta other people bussiness the world would be so much better!! True?
As for for mr weber, there are some of us that tryed to fend off the wolves,but they run in over powering packs,so watch out,as for sticky,a word of advise,dont buy no r.weber knife! You might like it!!
 
To Esay Benyamin
Why do you think that as a new member that I have no right to express my thoughts on this Blog ? would it be because you are a moderator and now you have a God complex ? You know I am just a working guy who likes to buy knives and get good value in turn and I'm sorry if that offends you. I thought that blogs were for sharing opinions but guess maybe I was wrong! The first time I put my thoughts here I get a personal attack from the moderator. What's up with that? Well I guess I say to you remember what Jesus commanded LOVE ONE ANOTHER ! P.S. I still love my r.Weber knives whether you like it or not !
 
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