New Rules for the Exchange forum - Feedback thread.

In my humble opinion not allowing sellers to bump under certain circumstances, such as adding new items, will lead to more threads being started versus consolidation. Production Knives for Sale by Individuals would be a prime place for this to occurr. A thread can end up on page 3, 4 or even deeper by the end of a weekend day and if the seller wanted to add a knife he would start a new thread to get exposure for the new item rather than risk it not being seen until Tuesday or Wednesday. According to the rules a seller could end up with 4 threads on the first 2 pages instead of 1.

This change also seems to promote buddy bumping for lack of a better term.

There is no question here, only a comment, no response personally needed.
 
2bkc said:
What happens if we don't agree to the new rules? Will refunds be issued?
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What don't you agree with? AFAIK, things just got a lot better for Dealer members, but if you have a concern please speak up.

ptradeco said:
In my humble opinion not allowing sellers to bump under certain circumstances, such as adding new items, will lead to more threads being started versus consolidation. Production Knives for Sale by Individuals would be a prime place for this to occurr. A thread can end up on page 3, 4 or even deeper by the end of a weekend day and if the seller wanted to add a knife he would start a new thread to get exposure for the new item rather than risk it not being seen until Tuesday or Wednesday. According to the rules a seller could end up with 4 threads on the first 2 pages instead of 1.
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I'm fine with more threads being made if it means that people stop bumping the hell out of threads every few minutes adding and removing knives, or doing "message sent" "message received" "message replied" "scratched my nose!" type posts. On top of this, the "2 threads on page one, 4 in the first four" rules still prevent too many threads being made, so there's still going to be consolidation.

ptradeco said:
This change also seems to promote buddy bumping for lack of a better term.
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I don't know what buddy bumping is, but idle chatter still isn't allowed. The rules haven't changed in that regard.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
We have a small moderator staff. We cannot be everywhere all the time. We do rely on Report Post to find many violations. That said, you will be seeing more infractions for this as members have had a chance to read and understand the new instructions. Violating the no bump rule is a 10 point infraction.
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So I got a 10 point infraction for saying "email sent" yesterday?

Bill
 
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Maniacal Pete said:
So I got a 10 point infraction for saying "email sent" yesterday? I'm new here, I paid my ten bucks, I was doing it the way I have seen, and you could have just sent me the rules in a PM instead of giving me a warning and making me feel BAD. I would have been happy to mend my ways to conform to your rules but your heavy-handed approach for our first contact has pretty much soured me on my BF experience. How about taking my warning away and treating me like a human being? <<Deep Sigh>>

Bill
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Bill,
You got a "0" point infraction warning , which is staffs way of warning you as well as other members that what was posted is unacceptable. It is your responsibility to read and adhere to the posted rules, which you did not and which caused you to post in violation of the rules. Staff does not send individual PM's to members in cases like this, as we also have rules to follow when moderating. You are not being treated unfairly or any differently than any other member of this site.
 
Karda said:
Bill,
You got a "0" point infraction warning , which is staffs way of warning you as well as other members that what was posted is unacceptable. It is your responsibility to read and adhere to the posted rules, which you did not and which caused you to post in violation of the rules. Staff does not send individual PM's to members in cases like this, as we also have rules to follow when moderating. You are not being treated unfairly or any differently than any other member of this site.
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Thank you for the explanation.

Bill
 
Maniacal Pete said:
So I got a 10 point infraction for saying "email sent" yesterday? I'm new here, I paid my ten bucks, I was doing it the way I have seen, and you could have just sent me the rules in a PM instead of giving me a warning and making me feel BAD. I would have been happy to mend my ways to conform to your rules but your heavy-handed approach for our first contact..., well. How about taking my warning away and treating me like a human being? <<Deep Sigh>>

Edit: Sorry, new here. Didn't know there was a diff between "warning" and "infraction." But go ahead, give me some points, I can take it!

Bill
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It was just a warning, a gentle reminder to read and follow the rules so we don't have to give you an infraction. I try to treat everyone fairly and equally, I gave you the warning, I gave a bunch of warnings last night. To friends I've personally met and to one's that are new here(such as you) I didn't PM or email them, they got a warning just as you did. It is the best way the Mod staff has in notifying someone they have strayed slightly from the rules. As I stated earlier and in the warning, it was just a warning, not an infraction. The warnings serve as reminders to follow the rules so we don't have to give infractions.

The Mod staff do the best job they can to treat everyone fairly and equally. I hope you understand this and that this won't "taint" your time you spend on the forums.


"buddy bumping" is when you comment in one of your buddies threads, like "email sent" to bump his thread back to the top of the for sale forums so that he receives more exposure to his thread. Since we don't know who everyone's buddies are we now do not allow such posts. All members that sale on the for sale forum pay to do so, everyone deserves the same exposure, not someone that has the most "buddies" bumping his thread.

I hope that helps
Sincerely
Eric
 
One thing that's not clear to me-with a Knifemaker's membership are we still allowed to post in the 'individual f/s' areas?
 
Yes, provided it's not a knife you've made. It's like this:

Gold / Platinum - For Sale / Trade by Individual only
Knifemaker / Craftsman / Etc - same as above, but Knifemaker section as well for stuff they've made
Dealer - items being retailed / resold in the dealer area only, personally owned single pieces in individual area, personally made knives in Knifemaker area, etc. Busse dealers can sell in Busse For Sale.
 
Thanks for clarifying that,Spark! I didn't think that had changed, but better safe that sorry:)
 
I am the owner of Mashed Cat Outfitters. I make Kydex sheaths. I also carry the Platinum membership. Do I need to remove my signature line linking to my web site and/or can others promote my business (if they wanted too) in their signature lines?

I guess I am asking is it ok for anyone to promote or show acception to businesses in signature lines?

Refer to section 3.2.3
 
3.2.3. You are allowed to have any other level of membership and take part in discussions, however unless you have a DEALER membership you may not:
- Mention or link to your business in any way
- Use private messaging to sell to members
- Include your business name in your username
- Use your signature or avatar to promote your business.
- Take part in any discussions involving your business OUTSIDE the Feedback forum.
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I find no explicit rule on Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider but I am treating them the same as Dealers for this purpose: they get to have a signature line and profile home page advertising their business.

1.3.KNIFEMAKER / CRAFTSMAN / SERVICE PROVIDER (hearafter referred to as "Knifemaker") - Knifemaker's are allowed to sell items that they have personally created or modified in the KnifeMaker For Sale forums, or their own Hosted KnifeMaker Forum. If you are a knifemaker and would like your own Hosted KnifeMaker Forum, please contact us.
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The Seller is not allowed to reply to their own ad within 72 hours of anyone's post (including their own) for any reason. The 72 hour countdown for the seller restarts with each new reply to the thread by ANYONE.
ALL CHANGES & UPDATES SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE EDIT FEATURE TO THE ORIGINAL AD, NOT BY ADDING ANOTHER RESPONSE.
is this being enforced to all members.i mistakenly violated and recived my warning but i see it happing in other threads and there is no yellow flag that i can see?
 
We can't be everywhere at once. Hit the report button when you see other people doing wrong, and we'll take care of it.
 
Spark said:
We can't be everywhere at once. Hit the report button when you see other people doing wrong, and we'll take care of it.
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hey SPARK i take your word your very busy,im sure the mods will catch up,but i wont rat anybody out,lol
 
A clarification on rule 3.1.2:

SECTION 3 - Rules for Sellers / Traders / Service Providers (hereafter referred to as "Sellers"):

1. Rules for everyone:

2. Individuals may have no more than TWO ads on Page 1 of any Sale or Trade forum, and FOUR ads within the first two pages.
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For sake of argument, let's assume I would like to sale six knives. Two are production models, two are automatics, and two are customs.

In keeping with the intent of the individual for sale forums, I would open a for sale thread for each set of knives which corresponds with the type of knives offered. For example, a thread listing two Production knives in Production Knives (Individual), a thread listing two automatics in Automatic Knives (Individual), and a thread listing two customs in Custom Knives (Individual).

If I opened a for sale thread in Production Knives (Individual), Automatic Knives (Individual), and Custom Knives (Individual), on the same day, I would be in violation of rule 3.1.2?
 
You would only be in violation if you posted more than two ads on the first page of any one subforum.

What you post in Production Knives has no effect on what you can post in Automatic or Custom Knives. The rule is meant to keep any one poster from pushing other posters' sales too far down the page.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
You would only be in violation if you posted more than two ads on the first page of any one subforum.

What you post in Production Knives has no effect on what you can post in Automatic or Custom Knives. The rule is meant to keep any one poster from pushing other posters' sales too far down the page.
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Thanks for taking the time to clarify, Esav.

Just a suggestion. . . amending 3.1.2. to, "Individuals may have no more than TWO ads on Page 1 of any one Sale or Trade forum, and FOUR ads within the first two pages" would probably eliminate any ambiguity of how it's currently written.
 
Darkfin said:
Regarding the insurance discussion, the Uniform Commercial Code says the following:

U.C.C. § 2-504. Shipment by Seller.

Where the seller is required or authorized to send the goods to the buyer and the contract does not require him to deliver them at a particular destination. . . .

U.C.C. § 2-509. Risk of Loss in the Absence of Breach.

(1) Where the contract requires or authorizes the seller to ship the goods by carrier

(a) if it does not require him to deliver them at a particular destination, the risk of loss passes to the buyer when the goods are duly delivered to the carrier. . . .

I am not a lawyer . . . but it seems pretty clear that . . . once the seller puts the item into the hands of USPS or UPS, etc (and presumably receives documentation proving it), his actual liability ends.
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You are incorrect, sir. You cited 2-509(1)(a) which relates specifically to "shipment contracts." But the relevant part is in 2-509(1)(b), which relates to "destination contracts" and states that when the buyer specifies a particular destination (as one does when he/she gives his/her shipping address), then the risk of loss remains with the seller until duly tendered so that the buyer may take delivery. If the item never shows up to the buyer's address (because of the seller's or carrier's fault), then it has not been duly tendered, and the buyer can't possibly take delivery, and the risk of loss never passes to the buyer. Of course, all of these default rules cease to apply if the buyer and seller agree otherwise, which they are free to do.
 
@link2derek
I would respectfully disagree with your interpretation for the reasons I cited in response to your PM.

In any case, the shipping questions (as they relate to this forum) were answered over a week ago, and thus any UCC references are no longer relevant to the discussion.
 
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