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New Rules for the Exchange forum - Feedback thread.

Discussion in 'Tech Support, General Q&A, Site Feedback & More' started by Spark, Oct 30, 2010.

  1. ptradeco

    ptradeco Gold Member Gold Member

    May 26, 2010
    In my humble opinion not allowing sellers to bump under certain circumstances, such as adding new items, will lead to more threads being started versus consolidation. Production Knives for Sale by Individuals would be a prime place for this to occurr. A thread can end up on page 3, 4 or even deeper by the end of a weekend day and if the seller wanted to add a knife he would start a new thread to get exposure for the new item rather than risk it not being seen until Tuesday or Wednesday. According to the rules a seller could end up with 4 threads on the first 2 pages instead of 1.

    This change also seems to promote buddy bumping for lack of a better term.

    There is no question here, only a comment, no response personally needed.
     
  2. Spark

    Spark HPIC - Hatas gonna Hate Staff Member Administrator Super Mod Moderator

    Oct 2, 1998
    What don't you agree with? AFAIK, things just got a lot better for Dealer members, but if you have a concern please speak up.

    I'm fine with more threads being made if it means that people stop bumping the hell out of threads every few minutes adding and removing knives, or doing "message sent" "message received" "message replied" "scratched my nose!" type posts. On top of this, the "2 threads on page one, 4 in the first four" rules still prevent too many threads being made, so there's still going to be consolidation.

    I don't know what buddy bumping is, but idle chatter still isn't allowed. The rules haven't changed in that regard.
     
  3. Maniacal Pete

    Maniacal Pete

    Oct 16, 2010
    So I got a 10 point infraction for saying "email sent" yesterday?

    Bill
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2010
  4. Maniacal Pete

    Maniacal Pete

    Oct 16, 2010
    Me neither, not sure I want to either... but it better be worth some good infraction points.

    MP
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2010
  5. Karda

    Karda Banned BANNED

    Jun 1, 2007
    Bill,
    You got a "0" point infraction warning , which is staffs way of warning you as well as other members that what was posted is unacceptable. It is your responsibility to read and adhere to the posted rules, which you did not and which caused you to post in violation of the rules. Staff does not send individual PM's to members in cases like this, as we also have rules to follow when moderating. You are not being treated unfairly or any differently than any other member of this site.
     
  6. Maniacal Pete

    Maniacal Pete

    Oct 16, 2010
    Thank you for the explanation.

    Bill
     
  7. Eric Isaacson

    Eric Isaacson Pirate

    Dec 19, 1999
    It was just a warning, a gentle reminder to read and follow the rules so we don't have to give you an infraction. I try to treat everyone fairly and equally, I gave you the warning, I gave a bunch of warnings last night. To friends I've personally met and to one's that are new here(such as you) I didn't PM or email them, they got a warning just as you did. It is the best way the Mod staff has in notifying someone they have strayed slightly from the rules. As I stated earlier and in the warning, it was just a warning, not an infraction. The warnings serve as reminders to follow the rules so we don't have to give infractions.

    The Mod staff do the best job they can to treat everyone fairly and equally. I hope you understand this and that this won't "taint" your time you spend on the forums.


    "buddy bumping" is when you comment in one of your buddies threads, like "email sent" to bump his thread back to the top of the for sale forums so that he receives more exposure to his thread. Since we don't know who everyone's buddies are we now do not allow such posts. All members that sale on the for sale forum pay to do so, everyone deserves the same exposure, not someone that has the most "buddies" bumping his thread.

    I hope that helps
    Sincerely
    Eric
     
  8. WalterDavis

    WalterDavis KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Nov 23, 2005
    One thing that's not clear to me-with a Knifemaker's membership are we still allowed to post in the 'individual f/s' areas?
     
  9. Spark

    Spark HPIC - Hatas gonna Hate Staff Member Administrator Super Mod Moderator

    Oct 2, 1998
    Yes, provided it's not a knife you've made. It's like this:

    Gold / Platinum - For Sale / Trade by Individual only
    Knifemaker / Craftsman / Etc - same as above, but Knifemaker section as well for stuff they've made
    Dealer - items being retailed / resold in the dealer area only, personally owned single pieces in individual area, personally made knives in Knifemaker area, etc. Busse dealers can sell in Busse For Sale.
     
  10. WalterDavis

    WalterDavis KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Nov 23, 2005
    Thanks for clarifying that,Spark! I didn't think that had changed, but better safe that sorry:)
     
  11. Grandsuave

    Grandsuave KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Jan 24, 2006
    I am the owner of Mashed Cat Outfitters. I make Kydex sheaths. I also carry the Platinum membership. Do I need to remove my signature line linking to my web site and/or can others promote my business (if they wanted too) in their signature lines?

    I guess I am asking is it ok for anyone to promote or show acception to businesses in signature lines?

    Refer to section 3.2.3
     
  12. Esav Benyamin

    Esav Benyamin MidniteSuperMod

    Apr 6, 2000
    I find no explicit rule on Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider but I am treating them the same as Dealers for this purpose: they get to have a signature line and profile home page advertising their business.

     
  13. lovemoney

    lovemoney

    851
    Feb 23, 2007
    The Seller is not allowed to reply to their own ad within 72 hours of anyone's post (including their own) for any reason. The 72 hour countdown for the seller restarts with each new reply to the thread by ANYONE.
    ALL CHANGES & UPDATES SHOULD BE DONE WITH THE EDIT FEATURE TO THE ORIGINAL AD, NOT BY ADDING ANOTHER RESPONSE.

    is this being enforced to all members.i mistakenly violated and recived my warning but i see it happing in other threads and there is no yellow flag that i can see?
     
  14. Spark

    Spark HPIC - Hatas gonna Hate Staff Member Administrator Super Mod Moderator

    Oct 2, 1998
    We can't be everywhere at once. Hit the report button when you see other people doing wrong, and we'll take care of it.
     
  15. lovemoney

    lovemoney

    851
    Feb 23, 2007
    hey SPARK i take your word your very busy,im sure the mods will catch up,but i wont rat anybody out,lol
     
  16. GigOne

    GigOne

    Nov 27, 1999
    A clarification on rule 3.1.2:


    For sake of argument, let's assume I would like to sale six knives. Two are production models, two are automatics, and two are customs.

    In keeping with the intent of the individual for sale forums, I would open a for sale thread for each set of knives which corresponds with the type of knives offered. For example, a thread listing two Production knives in Production Knives (Individual), a thread listing two automatics in Automatic Knives (Individual), and a thread listing two customs in Custom Knives (Individual).

    If I opened a for sale thread in Production Knives (Individual), Automatic Knives (Individual), and Custom Knives (Individual), on the same day, I would be in violation of rule 3.1.2?
     
  17. Esav Benyamin

    Esav Benyamin MidniteSuperMod

    Apr 6, 2000
    You would only be in violation if you posted more than two ads on the first page of any one subforum.

    What you post in Production Knives has no effect on what you can post in Automatic or Custom Knives. The rule is meant to keep any one poster from pushing other posters' sales too far down the page.
     
  18. GigOne

    GigOne

    Nov 27, 1999

    Thanks for taking the time to clarify, Esav.

    Just a suggestion. . . amending 3.1.2. to, "Individuals may have no more than TWO ads on Page 1 of any one Sale or Trade forum, and FOUR ads within the first two pages" would probably eliminate any ambiguity of how it's currently written.
     
  19. link2derek

    link2derek

    Oct 8, 2010
    You are incorrect, sir. You cited 2-509(1)(a) which relates specifically to "shipment contracts." But the relevant part is in 2-509(1)(b), which relates to "destination contracts" and states that when the buyer specifies a particular destination (as one does when he/she gives his/her shipping address), then the risk of loss remains with the seller until duly tendered so that the buyer may take delivery. If the item never shows up to the buyer's address (because of the seller's or carrier's fault), then it has not been duly tendered, and the buyer can't possibly take delivery, and the risk of loss never passes to the buyer. Of course, all of these default rules cease to apply if the buyer and seller agree otherwise, which they are free to do.
     
  20. Darkfin

    Darkfin

    461
    Jan 20, 2004
    @link2derek
    I would respectfully disagree with your interpretation for the reasons I cited in response to your PM.

    In any case, the shipping questions (as they relate to this forum) were answered over a week ago, and thus any UCC references are no longer relevant to the discussion.
     

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