NEW spyderholes BM's

I consider it a compliment to Spyderco. They make such great, efficient knives and Benchmade is realizing it. They both make excellent knives and Benchmade's getting their. I really like the Dejavoo and the 14205 Snody. Everything else doesn't look that worth while.

mmmotorcycle
 
To paraphrase Douglas Adams, "Oh no, not again."

But I must say I'm a bit disapointed.

I think Benchmade should have integrated the best features - therefore the Dejavoo should have had an Axis lock.

Que sera, sera.
 
J85909266 said:
Are you somebody who actually knows something, or are you somebody that thinks he does? Unless you are the former, then you don't really know any of that, do you? I'll keep my skepticism on the situation, thanks. You can't tell me that skepticism is disrespectful when no info about anything has been given.
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J8 - I agree. It is amazing that people can string together a dozen assumptions and call it an explanation - then claim that those of us who are skeptical are "incredibly condescending, offensive, and insulting to Sal"

I have my own assumption on the subject - - If the agreement were something Benchmade was proud of, they would be shouting about the new collaboration from the rooftops.

You can include me on the "skeptical list" too and I'm pretty sure I'm not offending or insulting Sal.
 
All I will say is that I see Emerson's name on the blade and instructions that came with my Endura Wave. I just think it would be nice to see a mention of Sal and Spyderco when it comes to the Spyderhole being used by other manufacturers, especially as I see it as the most recognizable symbol of a Spyderco folder. If it isn't part of the agreement so be it, that is just my opinion. And you know what they say about opinions and certain orifices.
 
Some fun with slogans:

"All of God's critters have knives"....... but not all of them have ethics

"Those who know carry Spyderco".......those who overpaid carry (fill it in)

Make it cool, make it show, just make it look like a Spyderco.

In my not so humble opinion, a certain manufacturer is following in the footsteps of companies like Cold Steel and Gerber, which is a sad thing to see. I am just glad that companies like Spyderco, Kershaw, CRK, and Emerson, who get all my knife money incidentally, are not falling victim to the "if you can no longer innovate, just go ahead and imitate" mentality. It really helps to guide my spending.

Regards,
3G
 
I will be buying a couple of the Bm Lums for sure. that's the best looking knife I've seen in a while. Good for BM it's been a while.
 
There is a conspiracy going on here...They are hinting at some kind of pact with each other...This only leads me to believe that we will soon see one mega knife company: Spenchcade.
:D :foot:
 
Reading the forums over at Benchmade right now is sorta odd. It seems most people don't like the new line-up, or at least some models, because they feel Benchmade made them look too much like Spyderco's.
 
There is a conspiracy going on here...They are hinting at some kind of pact with each other...This only leads me to believe that we will soon see one mega knife company: Spenchcade.:D :foot:
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I wouldn't mind that at all.:D
 
dpimpc said:
Reading the forums over at Benchmade right now is sorta odd. It seems most people don't like the new line-up, or at least some models, because they feel Benchmade made them look too much like Spyderco's.
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True, the biggest hit seems to be the 14205, which is a full-size G10 scaled axis lock knife-pretty much what people look to BM for and haven't been getting a big variety of the last few years. The quality of the offerings of the two companies is too close for BM to try to Spyder-ize their knives. We buy BMs to have BMs, and we buy Spyders to have Spyders. It doesn't bother me that BM uses the round hole, but I don't want any of the BMs that utilize it. They need oval holes for blade shapes like the grip, and studs for pretty much everything else.
 
The Dejavoo's thick blade and hole give it the spyderco look,but the rest of the knife says benchmade. I can see a lot of people wanted the Axis lock on this knife because they don't trust a liner lock. If you look at the knife, the lines are very fluid and clean. The Axis would have broken those lines and given the knife a different look than Lum wanted. I believe Benchmade addressed the lock issue by using titanium to insure the lock is dependable.
 
I may have to try one of the Pika 2's. I have one of the original Pikas and it sucks hard. The Pika 2 appears to have addressed my concerns though. The new hole is round (and probably licensed/ authorized by Spyderco) and seems to have done away with the horrible slippery chamfering that destroys the original Pika design. Also, the awful, flimsy "lowrider" clip seems to be gone- though it's hard to see what it has been replaced with on the pics I could find.

Interestingly, the new steel is listed as "9Cr13CoMoV". I wonder how close this is to Byrd's 8Cr13MoV- which is a pretty good steel. The new Pika looks close to what is still one of my all-time favorite knives- the early 90's FRN AFCK, though it lacks the elegance of line. I wish Benchmade would simply dust off the tooling and start making that knife again, with a different steel. 8Cr13MoV would be fine (the original was ATS-34).
 
"Spyderhole" what a load of bullshit. Yeah they are good knives. Yeah the thumbhole works fine. Just as fine as a well placed stud, or disc for that matter. Get over it guys, its a freaking circle its not that complicated.
 
moonwilson said:
I may have to try one of the Pika 2's. I have one of the original Pikas and it sucks hard.
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I have one that is supposedly 440c, but it sure isn't up to par with their US-made 440c knives. Overall I like the design though, and for the price is was OK.

The Pika 2 appears to have addressed my concerns though. The new hole is round
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OK for the large version, but for the small one a round hole might be a little small. I think an oval hole is a good solution when you want a small blade without the hump.

Also, the awful, flimsy "lowrider" clip seems to be gone- though it's hard to see what it has been replaced with on the pics I could find.
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My problem was not the durability, but the clip is mounted so high that it gets in the way when I close the blade with one hand.
 
Carl64 said:
Are you saying this knife:
http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_detail.aspx?model=740

...owes something to Spyderco's Calypso?

The handle is completely different, so I guess Spyderco owns the flat-grind drop point blade? If you were referring to something else, I wait to be corrected.
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While we await Joe's answer....I'll throw in my two cents, the Vex I believe it's called looks very similar to the Bob T C-15 (I think that's the right model #), except it's not drilled for tip up, made in China and cheap. I've never found a reason to buy a Benchmade as I don't like thumb studs, now I'll have to add every custom maker that continues to do collabs with them to my do not buy list. Screw Benchmade!
 
wotanson said:
the Vex I believe it's called looks very similar to the Bob T C-15 (I think that's the right model #), except it's not drilled for tip up, made in China and cheap.
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And the vex has a drop point blade with a slight recurve vs. the C15's near-sheepfoot. And the vex has three angles on the front of the handle, while the c15 has just one flat one. The c15's finger choil goes right up to the front end, and is in front of the lock release. The vex shares the lock release with the choil like so many other knives.

The only notable feature that is similar on the handle is the slight curve upward at the rear bottom, but the vex has a sharp and more severe angle.
 
Thanks for clearing that up......so glad we have such a smart guy around here to school us. Must be a big Benchmade fan huh?
 
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