New Strider failure

I dont think any knife can unless its an AO, the speed that the blade comes out on a good wrist flick is a lot faster and more stressful to the knife imo.

Ive considered buying a used Sebenza to test out this theory, i still may if somone has a used sebenza they'd like to sell reasonably for some knife testing.
 
I remember some posts and pics about Strider framelocks, and how they are built with the lower portion of the lock contacting the tang, instead of the entire height. Flicking probably put a lot of wear from the impacts on the smaller area.
 
Id have to agree with that, if all discussions about Strider problems went like this short one between Oilman, DaveH, Hardheart and myself went down like this, there would be no percieved "conspiracy theory"
 
Just to clarify my thoughts on dt's issue it sounded like it was a problem with the angle of the tang to me. On some Strider production folders I've seen/own there are 2 different angles on the tang, a shallow angle on the lockbar side that turns into an extreme angle on the G10 side. (I'd post pics but I smoked the motherboard on my home system so I don't have access to them until I get the new mb in. IIRC my old thread about the RC I got has a pic to show what I'm talking about.) To my way of thinking this only allows a little room to break it in before it hits the extreme angle and can't lock up on it. Hard flicking would get the lockbar to dig into the extreme angle for a little while but then even that would stop working. Which sounds like dt's case. BUT... the customs lockups, that I owned, mated much better which leaves one wondering if the extreme angle lockups are better or the mated ones are better. And if one is better why would the same company produce both kinds? (And more makers than Strider say the sharp angle is a good thing so there are definately two schools of thought on the matter. Personally I trust a mated lockup more.)

And I'm not a knife mechanic or anything but I did sleep at a Hilton Express last night.

oil
 
Locking blade knives are for wimps. Real men carry slip-joints.
(just a humor break, you may now carry on with the discussion:D )
 
I think you're talking about this pic:

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Which interestingly, what oily says above was predicted by yers truley:

My issue is this, observe how the tang of the blade is ground above. The first part is very flat, then the angle increases VERY sharply. IMO, what's happening is makers are throwing the precision needed to get good lock fit out the window. The first part of the tang lets the lock bar slide over, but the remaining angle is too steep to take up blade play. The result is the lock has play and slips even though it covers the first part of the tang, but it can never wear enough to match the angle on the other part of the tang. So basically you stuck with a crappy lock.
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I'm not saying this is what happened to you, just adding the pic oily was talking about.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403176&highlight=strider

I'll add here that another interesting thing is the discoloration of the blade tang right at the critical juncture of the lock face line. We'll never know about the knife pictured, but it almost looks like the blade tang had chipped already right at the critical point. (Or it was just pocket lint)
 
Yep, that's it. Although, looking at it now, it isn't as pronounced as some I've seen. I'll try to find different pics.
 
that is it, but the angle was steaper on mine. note that its a much gentler slope now and you can see that the whole bar makes contact with the tang.
 
darkest, your knife looked like that when you first received it?

You should have sent it back immediately. Maybe you where a uh, victim, and didn't know it.
 
holy crap! you can see my knife right now? do you have some spy-jitsu powers or something!!!!


just kidding! I meant on my knife not the one above, my bad.

The slope on the tang was similar, the lock engaged fully at first and went a good 50% of the way over and the far side of the bar was parralel with the far side of the tang.

See, damn i wish i had a picture, without a pic, i cant explain properly. doh!
 
Actually

The knives are designed that way, such that the lock does not set flat on the tang. The reason given is so that gunk is more likely to fall out than gum up the lock. Fairly ingenious in my opinion.

I'll agree that most knives are not made for flicking, it has to damage them over time. I would no sooner flick my SnG than I would my Sebenza.
 
A well designed liner or frame lock shouldn't suffer much from flicking. I've flicked my little lightfoot urban shark for years now, and my blue bump and avalanche (which are AOs, obviously being flicked all the time) thousands of times with no visible wear.

Actually, the only crosslock that's ever given me wear trouble is my old M16, may it rest in peace. But most of the wear was from the hardcore lock testing I had to do on that particular knife. I wouldn't be surprised if it had worn on its own though over time...the strength of that liner (pushing over) was intense.

This isn't a mark against strider or crk. I'd bet that either of them can handle flicking just fine.
 
darkestthicket said:
3Guardsmen - I can understand researching the validity of publicly made claims, Mick explained his side of the story which was slightly different than some of his more hardcore followers made it out to be, but his statement was still not entirely false, truthfully, i could give a sh1t if he was a ranger or not, he CAN make a knife that works.
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darkestthicket,
I totally agree! I would rather own and use a knife designed and made by a knifemaker who has extensive knife designing/making experience, over that of a knifemaker who possesses only military service creds. Military service is a great thing, but it doesn't automatically make one a great knifemaker. Naturally, though, there are some incredibly gifted knifemakers out there with prior military service. Kit Carson comes to mind as one of the best!

Thank you for explaining your viewpoints in such a productive and civil manner.:thumbup:

Regards,
3G
 
Well, I sit here a benefactor of Strider's QC. The reason? I purchased a "blemished" BT back during mob'ing for $200. The problem with the knife? Some of the black oxide colorant had a small water-type mark on it. You could see the blemishes only if you held the knife at an angle under bright light. When I bought the knife, they were selling several that had this "issue". Only to .mil, and they made it perfectly clear that the coating was "flawed".
But since then, I have used it to cut open steel soviet ammo cans (when we did not have the can opener that comes in the wooden crate) dug / pried rocks out of mountain side during a weapons cache recovery mission. Used the point and side of the blade to pry out remaining rounds on my Mk-19 bolt face, and used it to split wood that we burn to keep our room warm here.

I have seen K-Bars break doing some of the stupid things that I had to do with my knife. Part of being a combat knife means that it will have to do things that it was never designed for (prying/splitting wood) that is my reality. When I am out living in the desert with my ANA and ODA that I work with, I do not have all the tools necessary to preform every possible job, therefore, a durable, bombproof knife is a necessity.

If I had broken my blade prying out old Soviet ammo cans from a mountain, I would have sent the knife back to Strider, and I would have received a new knife. Period. How many other knife companies out there always put disclaimers on their lifetime warranties? If used for prying it voids the warranty etc.

I have a SnG CC on the way over here. It will be replacing my Microtech UDT which has gone missing on me. I will not buy another Microtech because of their switching away from S30-V steel to some other cheaper stuff. Not to mention how shitty some of the new MT's are coming right out of the factroy. Yet, I do not hear anyone here bitching about MTs? Go over to microholics and read about all the issues MT are having (how about 8 knives with matching serial numbers on the pocket clip???) and yes, these too are $400 knives or more.

Anyway; I am not holding my breath waiting to see if my SnG CC is one of the good ones or not. I fully believe that it will serve me well for the rest of my deployment over here. And if not, I have also have a Lonewolf/Harsey D2 somewhere between CONUS and here.

There have been some very well written posts stuck in the middle of these 13 odd pages, unfortunately one has to read through posts where someone writes that he has received orders where 50% of his Striders were defective and had to be sent back. Or other outlandish claims to the same end.

For what it is worth, I carry a Strider on my 2nd Line kit that goes with me everytime I leave the wire. Could others have had issues with their Striders; yes, I fully believe that, will it prevent me from maybe buying another Strider? No, not unless the SnG heading my way has its own problems.

That is it for now, I will be sleeping in my bunker to avoid any incoming rounds.

Cheers,
KUCHI 36
 
19-Delta,
Be safe out there, Man! There are many of us over here thinking of and praying for you guys over there. Thank you for your service!:thumbup:

Regards,
3G
 
19-Delta said:
There have been some very well written posts stuck in the middle of these 13 odd pages, unfortunately one has to read through posts where someone writes that he has received orders where 50% of his Striders were defective and had to be sent back. Or other outlandish claims to the same end.
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Yep, another guy who owns 1 Strider, which is a fixed blade that we weren't even discussing, comes on and discounts FACTS. Facts backed up by Strider's own records in my case. And it was OVER 50% of the framelocks I bought so at least get that part right. You would do well to use facts also instead of your opinions about something you have 0 experience with. Thank you for your service though.

oil
 
Umm, I guess you are too ignorant to see that my intent was to discuss the supposed lack of QC that does/does not go on over at Strider. If they pulled a bunch of knives that did not have a perfect finish on the blade, that to me says that someone is paying attention to details in their shop.

KUCHI 36 OUT
 
19-Delta said:
Umm, I guess you are too ignorant to see that my intent was to discuss the supposed lack of QC that does/does not go on over at Strider. If they pulled a bunch of knives that did not have a perfect finish on the blade, that to me says that someone is paying attention to details in their shop.

KUCHI 36 OUT
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I completely agree with you, one of us is ignorant. But, why don't we let everyone else decide for themselves as to which one of us it is?:p

oil
 
You got pictures of those 50%?

Actual numbers would be nice, too, rather than unsubstantiated claims. Including invoice numbers.

Being another Man of the Year Internet user I realize everything I say can be disputed simply by claiming it didn't happen, that my choice of performance over bling is wrong, and my perceptions and opinions mean nothing.

Taking your statement about numbers of defective knives at face value,and the apparent concern by the maker to replace them (did they? I missed that -), it points out that no maker can guarantee perfection. Even Chris Reeve. They can certainly fix the problem, and did.

One of the errors in judging Striders fit and finish (BTW, the blades are striped by bead blasting the black oxidation left from heat treat, not paint) comes from the few knives made. Since NOBODY really knows industry failure rates by each make, but ASSumes standards, lets consider that even if the defect percentage for all makers were exactly the same, Strider would put out a lot less - because they make less. The major makers would make more, because they make more.

I work in a CNC shop for a truck body manufacturer - and read blueprints (I'll qualify by saying on a brake press,) but nothing in my technical education, experience, or study of knives has ever shown me that any machine operation guarantees perfect reproduction of parts. It takes human inspection and introspection to make it happen.

Public perception of the implementation of quality standards is something else entirely. When the spotlight of intense scrutiny is applied, anybody can be make to look bad, especially if the criticism is based on standards that the maker obviously does not highly value. Like cosmetic blemishes, some will never sell them - Buck comes to mind, they give them to missionary organizations - and some will discount them to their user base that they support.

But to continue to insist that too many knives from a manufacturer don't meet their personal QC standards without a complete view of the industry rate of failure and where the maker falls on the list - is complete and utter






















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