New trad forum rule?

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Primble...no pics needed.....you just send those bad boys to p****1@**.com

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Peter
 
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I have only just come across this thread and read it from the beginning. I sympathise with the OP a lot, this can become quite tiresome but I also have quoted images from time to time too. I must admit it had become so common I had forgotten it was a request from above. I only really visit one forum - here.

This forum is a friendly place and I hope that the OP doesn't feel pressured into removing posts which contain further comment reinforcing their argument. A forum is a place for discussion. (It may have been removed for other reasons of course).

ISKski - I want to hear what you have to say, conversation is good and I hate to see a minority opinion squashed so easily.

Paul
 
ISKski....I hear your opinion,and it has some merit..I subscribe to the theory, that if it isnt broken,dont try to fix it......Its not broken.

Fes
 
Personally, I enjoy the EDC thread and think it is one of the CORE threads of the forum. I don't find anything wrong with it. Perhaps people could just quote one photo of a knife instead of several, but it doesn't really upset me when they don't, since it only takes a second to scroll down. Of more concern to me is that unnecessarily upsetting the atmosphere of that thread may dissuade some people from posting. If a knife looks good and is well photographed, I'm more than happy to see those photos more than once, and if I don't personally care for the knife, I feel happy knowing that others appreciate it. Some people clearly put enormous effort into the photos they post, and the standard of photography in the EDC thread gets better and better, it's nice to see people get a pat on the back for that.

Nice Charlow :thumbup:

Jack
 
I agree with Primble. If I want to ask a question on a particular knife posted two pages back it only makes sense to have the picture in my post as a reference.
 
I know I have already commented on the topic but I would like to add to it.

This is a topic that could improve the quality of this forum and agree discussion would be beneficial. However, and I write this not implying anyone is, or has been, but mocking the op or doing things in spite in general is not the personality of the sub-forum. If a discussion is created lets keep it respectful and give our mods a break. The majority is often lead by a few and I hope there are others out there who do not want to experience the "TC BARLOW?" Thread over again.
 
I always cut the pictures out and just quote the text, unless there is no text. That being said, I don't really mind the pictures being repeated. As others have said, it doesn't take much effort to scroll past them and if it brings somebody else joy to repeat them, then so be it. I am curious though, if the pictures being repeated bothers you is it because of how you view the forum? What I mean is, are the pictures more of a problem for people using their phone or a tablet? I use my PC 90% of the time I'm on here, so I may have a biased view. If it's causing a problem for some I guess I'd be more in favor of limiting it. I know that there are some countries where high speed Internet is still a rare bird. This might cause problems for people in those places as well.
 
Two additional thoughts.... One is technical in nature and the other is more social.

TECHNICAL - I came of age in terms of "forum" when they were called "groups" and you read groups hosted on usenet servers using Unix tools like tin and trn with either vi or emacs editors. Quoting attributions was a HUGE deal back in the day and have actually worked on a scholarly article on the use of quoted attributions when using mailing lists for collaborative work. The OP is spot on in his call.

There is, or was, a parallel debate surrounding email clients usually posed as "top-posting vs bottom-posting". Old unix email tools like elm would "bottom-post" by default, placing the cursor UNDER the quoted material and making it easier to trim attributions. The advent of windowing operating systems destroyed the assumption of 80 character line length and made word wrap the default and with that, trimming attributions in email clients became much harder. Microsoft Outlook and other mail clients moved to top-posting by default with quoted material being carried along in big blocks or mail chains at the bottom of mail messages. For many years, you could find freeware add-ons like "Quote Fix" to trick Outlook into bottom posting.

A similar thing is currently happening with the rise of the iPhone and tablets. Most PHP based web forums don't fully support tap functionality (you can't resize the editing window) and real estate is limited on the display. We saw the same problem on a mail list I used to moderate. When the iPhone hit, it became a LOT harder for people to trim attributions.

Sorry for the technical walk down memory lane but the short version of this is that changes on the client end are driving differences in user behavior.

My personal response to this at this point is that bandwidth is cheap. When I post from a laptop, I trim attributions because it's relatively easy and I think it's the best way to respond. But when posting from tablet/phone, I often just bottom post without trimming anything. It's just too hard to do.

SOCIAL ISSUE - Forums allow us to make friends. I have friendships that date back to the 90s from usenet. There is danger though when friends "talk" on public forums. Outsiders perceive it to be a clique. This is the forum equivalent to walking up to the school cafeteria table when you're the new kid, or walking into a new bar when you're older.

As Jack correctly notes, the thread in question is a part of the core of the sub-forum, just as the "regulars" are the core of a good bar.

I'm not sure where the balance is between good bonding among friends and discussions that end up being a cliquish form of exclusion new comers. I rather doubt that the real issue here is untrimmed attributions but rather, the recurring problem of "chattiness" and "me too" posts.

My sense is that the right mix between familiar chumminess and inclusion of the new comer is like the fuel/air mix on a carburetor. I know it's never intended this way, but I think OP's post is a good reminder than when we are responding to our friends in a familiar way, it can be off putting to others. That's the danger of the "me too" or "Nice shot" post.
 
It appears from most of the comments in this thread so far, that people are generally quite happy with the current situation in the EDC thread. I guess most of the regular posters in the EDC thread regularly rotate their EDC's, which is one of the things that make it interesting in my opinion. If I only only carried one or two different knives, I probably wouldn't post there much, and if I only rarely posted there, I don't think I'd care too much about how many photographs got re-posted, certainly not enough to be criticizing the way people do post there. There's a nice atmosphere in the EDC thread, and people encourage other members by commenting on the photos of their knives. Anything that undermines that atmosphere should be discouraged in my opinion. I think the EDC thread is one this forum should be proud of :)

Jack
 
I think the OP has a valid suggestion. I suspect that is why it ended up as a request in the Traditional Forum Guidelines. I hope everyone that posts takes the time to read them.

Unless we are told otherwise by the powers that be this will remain a request, so please don't beat it to death and keep the discussion civil.

I spend a lot of time on this forum and not always sitting in front of a PC. I use Tap-a-talk on a smartphone. I think the number of images does affect the load time and it can be slow. I've got high speed internet at home and unless the site is slow (which it is sometimes) the number of images don't seem to have an affect on load time.

For the most part I delete the IMG code from my responses, unless I'm making a point about something specific on the knife or the post I'm commenting on isn't easily found scrolling back a few posts.

It's a request folks. You're not going to find me PMing or warning anyone about it. I will say I've already seen a comment in one of the other threads about using too much bandwidth already. Don't continue.
 
Is serial picture-quoting a subforum-wide issue, or is it in the nature of the thread OP cited in his op? If you don't like a thread, you can avoid it and leave it to those who do like it (I sometimes avoid that thread myself, because nobody ever says "great picture of a great knife" when I post a bad picture of an ordinary knife).

No offense intended to anyone.
 
As I said before - I get the multiple quotes of the same picture on the same page from the same person thing. I don't feel I am guilty of it. I agree with that.

So far - this thread seems respectful enough to me by the responders. :thumbup::)

The responses where the response was edited out to nothing make me wonder if they were dis-respectful. :o:o:o

While the OP requests might seem reasonable enough - it also upsets the apple cart, so to speak, and can have harmful side effects, such as causing one to feel embarrassed to quote a nice photo or afraid to say "Nice Charlow"!

It can make one feel like they are always having to look over their shoulder.

I suppose that about puts me out of business if nobody ever says "Nice Charlow"!! :)

I won't add anything past this post on this subject, but, I just want to say that this is just my opinion and I don't hate anyone for having a different opinion.
 
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