New ZT/Hinderer Flipper is Coming!!!0560/0561

Alphahunter said:
Time for a group hug and some s'mores.... :D
Gnarly, can you sing?
Man! I can't wait to get this knife! Woot!
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Can't sing worth a diddlyd, but yer right about 'group hug'....

What was that song, 'I'd like to buy the world a Coke....?'

However, my friend tower2 can sing; maybe he can lead us in a verse or two....he has already composed a nice song for us to all sing together; see below. (The chorus in in BOLD letters.)

tower2 said:
All I'm gonna say is
that I'm really looking forward
to getting my 0560 & 0561.

If other countries get them first,
that really has no bearing
on my situation.

I'm not a child
and for something this good
I am willing to wait.
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Thanx,tower2....this flocka KnifeVultures needed that.
 
I consider the wait to be a blessing. I've actually been spending my spending money lately and need a little time to recover. I'll be waiting patiently for that 0561 whenever it finds it's way into my hands. I must say that these look fantastic. Thanks to Thomas, KAI, and ZT for putting amazing knives into the hands of the people that carry and use them.
 
I've been following this thread for awhile and am as eager as everone for the 0561 to show up at my doorstep. I own all the ZT tactical folders and find them to be priced very reasonably for the quality, materials and engineering that goes into them. However to compare them with Striders, Seebies, and Hinderers serves no purpose. IMHO each knife possesses certain qualities unique to that particular knife. Each one feels different in my hand and each does something better than another. As far as pricing I've always believe you get what you pay for and the market has a way of balancing itself out. I know one thing the Zero Tolerance 0560/0561 Flipper is going to be one of those knives that once you get it in your hand and open and close it a few times, cut some food, boxes, etc the smile on your face will be hard to contain. Kudos to the People at ZT and thanks Thomas for keeping us informed. We'll back to the waiting!
 
cziv said:
Okay jimmer-5. I'll know soon enough, can't wait! :thumbup:
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Listen nifenerd. I removed my post (which you saved and surgically altered a bit) because jimmer-5 asked that we not argue about knives and muddy up this thread. The moment I saw that I deleted it and the result is as you see above.

You chose to re-open the issue for no apparent reason since it was late at night and no one really reading the thread at the time and quote a semblance of my post I deleted and start a big fuss about it. Giving us your job resume and other inane details about watches etc. that no one really gives a hoot about except you maybe, acting out the keyboard toughguy roll when nothing was needed to be said. My post regarding your observations had been taken down about 20 minutes previously.

I really had no beef with you personally and I guess I don't now since I've run into you for years on this board and I'm used to it.

You made a statement that I contested - that the ZT 0561 "blows away" the custom Hinderer XM (whatever) since you didn't designate. IMO, that's hogwash. It was baloney last night and it is now. I'm sure that the ZT 0560 will be a great knife and I have one on order, but don't play this off like the tail's wagging the dog in terms of these two knives or in terms of my disagreement with your rash statement is in someway trolling the thread or you. It's not. 1. You're comparison is wrong 2. I removed that post so that no one could misinterpret my intentions 3. 20 minutes after deleting my post there was no reason for you to repost and stir up mud for no reason other than your own edification.

oregonknifenerd said:
I won't claim to be unbiased. Some people wear Rolexes. A Rolex doesn't keep anywhere near as accurate time as a digital watch you get out of a box of cereal. Rick's knife is really nice like a Rolex. The ZT is more like my Casio Pathfinder with a titanium bracelet and a compass, barometer, and thermometer and altimeter with syncing to the atomic clock in Colorado and has a solar panel around the face for charging. Both watches are really nice and have their place. But to say that the Casio isn't worth the money because it isn't a Rolex doesn't mean anything. I wasn't meaning to belittle Rick's work at all. I stand by that the ZT does blow away the custom but they are two different blades that people buy for two different purposes. If I had the money I'd own both.

I know you meant to imply that I'm biased because Thomas gave me a tour and that I was over there hanging around. That simply isn't the case. I'm probably biased though for different reasons. My day job is as a information systems engineer dealing with lots of technology and so I'm biased towards the stuff made with the ultimate in high tech steels and precision computer controlled equipment. I hope my comments weren't taken at all to mean that Rick's was quite nice and stands on it's own. It really was. It has a lot of work put in to it and is well designed. Without it the ZT 0560 wouldn't exist. I just was defending the 0560 in that it is a great knife and that people don't need to keep complaining about that they don't like the scales on it or the 0550s and that the 0560 is a heck of a deal for what you get.

I hope that clarifies things rather than muddying things more. I don't expect to change any of the minds of those that just came to troll. Trolls will be trolls. But hope my further explanation clarifies things and returns us to a more civil conversation.
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FYI, I will gladly dispose of your custom Hinderer after you receive your 0560, just send them to me, I'll even pay for shipping. :D
 
cziv said:
Listen nifenerd. I removed my post (which you saved and surgically altered a bit) because jimmer-5 asked that we not argue about knives and muddy up this thread. The moment I saw that I deleted it and the result is as you see above.

You chose to re-open the issue for no apparent reason since it was late at night and no one really reading the thread at the time and quote a semblance of my post I deleted and start a big fuss about it. Giving us your job resume and other inane details about watches etc. that no one really gives a hoot about except you maybe, acting out the keyboard toughguy roll when nothing was needed to be said. My post regarding your observations had been taken down about 20 minutes previously.

I really had no beef with you personally and I guess I don't now since I've run into you for years on this board and I'm used to it.

You made a statement that I contested - that the ZT 0561 "blows away" the custom Hinderer XM (whatever) since you didn't designate. IMO, that's hogwash. It was baloney last night and it is now. I'm sure that the ZT 0560 will be a great knife and I have one on order, but don't play this off like the tail's wagging the dog in terms of these two knives or in terms of my disagreement with your rash statement is in someway trolling the thread or you. It's not. 1. You're comparison is wrong 2. I removed that post so that no one could misinterpret my intentions 3. 20 minutes after deleting my post there was no reason for you to repost and stir up mud for no reason other than your own edification.
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I didn't save anything, the board saves it when you quote someone. I quoted you in entirety with no editing. I then added my own note in bold to make it clear it was my words again without editing what you said. I did this immediately after your offensive PM to me. I felt I needed to explain any bias I had as a matter of civil discourse and address your personal attacks.

If you looked, you would have seen my join date. You can't have run in to me for years on this board. I lurked for years without posting anything. Created an account under another name last year. Then switched to this name. I've never spoken to you before. I may have replied to something you've said here but never to you directly. We all have different opinions here. Most people don't feel the need to make personal attacks against other people when they disagree.

If you have anything further to say to me please do it by PM. I'll give you my phone number and you can call and we can discuss this like men instead of posting accusatory and inaccurate offtopic posts. I'm sure there are those that find this entertaining but this isn't the place for this and the moderators have better things to do than act as referees.
 
I also was at Kershaw yesterday and did manage to spend some time with the 0560 on Thomas's desk. I have had some experience with knives, custom and Manufactured, I also played with some onion mid techs and I will say that the 0560 is the most impressive production piece I have ever handled, I was quite impressed and I would love to have one of Ricks Xm's in my other hand to have an actual comparison and I hope someone does that, I just don't see how, in my opinion there could be a huge expanse between the two, because in hand the 0560 feels like a custom and I don't have to say that, it is true. This is my favorite knife that kershaw has done to date and I suspect it will VERY soon be yours as well. Kudos to all that have been involved in this process.
Dave
 
oregonknifenerd said:
I didn't save anything, the board saves it when you quote someone. I quoted you in entirety with no editing. I then added my own note in bold to make it clear it was my words again without editing what you said. I did this immediately after your offensive PM to me. I felt I needed to explain any bias I had as a matter of civil discourse and address your personal attacks.

If you looked, you would have seen my join date. You can't have run in to me for years on this board. I lurked for years without posting anything. Created an account under another name last year. Then switched to this name. I've never spoken to you before. I may have replied to something you've said here but never to you directly. We all have different opinions here. Most people don't feel the need to make personal attacks against other people when they disagree.

If you have anything further to say to me please do it by PM. I'll give you my phone number and you can call and we can discuss this like men instead of posting accusatory and inaccurate offtopic posts. I'm sure there are those that find this entertaining but this isn't the place for this and the moderators have better things to do than act as referees.
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You want me to PM or call you to tell you I think you're wrong about an opinion? Nahh. You can tell me right on the board, I don't get mad about other's disagreeing with me.

I see you mentioned an "offensive PM" I sent you? Would you mind posting it, it was very ate and I don't recall being offensive? I think I asked you to edit your post because I edited mine completely out because jimmer didn't want arguing. I recall asking you to edit out yours quote of my deleted post so I wouldn't have to respond to it. Didn't work.

Let's just agree to disagree on the custom Hinderer okay? That's all this is about to me anyway. :)

Send me my ZT 0560 Kershaw - so I can unsubscribe from this thread - pleeeze!! :D
 
cziv said:
You want me to PM or call you to tell you I think you're wrong about an opinion? Nahh. You can tell me right on the board, I don't get mad about other's disagreeing with me.

I see you mentioned an "offensive PM" I sent you? Would you mind posting it, it was very ate and I don't recall being offensive? I think I asked you to edit your post because I edited mine completely out because jimmer didn't want arguing. I recall asking you to edit out yours quote of my deleted post so I wouldn't have to respond to it. Didn't work.

Let's just agree to disagree on the custom Hinderer okay? That's all this is about to me anyway. :)

Send me my ZT 0560 Kershaw - so I can unsubscribe from this thread - pleeeze!! :D
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I wanted to agree to disagree but you felt the need to attack me personally. This isn't the place for that. You're right your PM wasn't offensive in content. I was offended you wanted a pass on what you said by me removing all evidence of the personal attacks you were making against me.
 
kershawguy said:
I also was at Kershaw yesterday and did manage to spend some time with the 0560 on Thomas's desk. I have had some experience with knives, custom and Manufactured, I also played with some onion mid techs and I will say that the 0560 is the most impressive production piece I have ever handled, I was quite impressed and I would love to have one of Ricks Xm's in my other hand to have an actual comparison and I hope someone does that, I just don't see how, in my opinion there could be a huge expanse between the two, because in hand the 0560 feels like a custom and I don't have to say that, it is true. This is my favorite knife that kershaw has done to date and I suspect it will VERY soon be yours as well. Kudos to all that have been involved in this process.
Dave
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Well the recent release of the Tilt I got from you was very well done. Had I not had the receipt of what I paid, I would have sworn I held a $400 knife my hand. My only real gripe has more to do with my personal incompatibility with the wharncliffe + Choil design, as I feel it loses cutting edge. Other than that, the only real difference between it and a Sebenza seems to be the distance between the handles and the blade itself. That, and there's no exotic wood inlaid in the handle scales, but if Kershaw ever releases a high end KVT flipper with exotic wood scales, inlay or onlay, I promise I'll be the first in line for one:thumbup:.

I do have optimistic expectations from the 0560/1. And while I don't expect it to immediately kick the XM-18 out of everyone's pocket, I fully expect to be satisfied with what I pay for it. Heck, I might even have to question whether Kershaw makes any money from it.
 
Like Custom Guns, the difference in pricing is in hand made, hand assembled vs machine made. Would you really see much difference between a machine made Hinderer and a hand made one? Probably not. But you pay a premium for hand made anything. These knives are great because despite how much I would love a custom Hinderer I could never afford one. It's nice I can get something he had a hand in that I can afford.
 
oregonknifenerd said:
I wanted to agree to disagree but you felt the need to attack me personally. This isn't the place for that. You're right your PM wasn't offensive in content. I was offended you wanted a pass on what you said by me removing all evidence of the personal attacks you were making against me.
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Passes? Personal attacks? Removing evidence? This isn't CSI knifenerd. If you recall, I merely said that you might have been biased after the plant tour and the high-tech stuff you were so excited about and posted about and that it might have influenced your judgement in saying that the 0560 "blew away" a custom Hinderer when you compared Thomas's knives in question.

Settle down, nobody's out to besmirch your good name. I only said I thought that remark was baloney. I'll have one soon and I'll personally post up and say you were right after comparing my Zero Tolerance to my Hinderers side by side.
 
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