New ZT/Hinderer Flipper is Coming!!!0560/0561

hatchetjack said:
Have there been additional shipments within the US since the initial run a couple of weeks ago?
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Don't know. But, I got lucky and found a 560 in stock at a site last nite. It didnt take but just a minute or two and they were back out of stock. You gotta be quick to get an order in.
 
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This is todays choice of edc knives...:D for what its worth...my groove opens just as fast/smoothly as my 0560...:p
 
scoobydo said:
Got my 560 yesterday. Ordered it in June.
For some reason, I'm not jumping for joy.
I mean, I love the ergonomics and the look of the knife, but this was going to be an EDC to replace my ZT350.
I don't see that happening. When comparing the 560 to my 350, I want to stay with the 350.
My issues come solely from the weight/ruggedness.
The blade, ergonomics, mechanics and overall looks of the 560 are outstanding.
However, the 350 is a heavier knife and for some reason just feels a lot more "solid".
Its a smaller blade, but not by much. I like the profile of the blade on the 560 better, but I cant get over the weight.
Most of the 350 weight is coming from the liners.
I like a little heft to my knives, and perhaps people actually like how light it is.
I just don't know how the 560 will hold up to every day use.
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Scooby,

I can completely understand if you don't care for how light the 0560 is - some people like heft, and some do not. However, if you're concerned that the 0560 is in any way weakened by the weight reduction, you are confusing perception with reality. The light weight may give you the perception of weakness, but the knife is actually a very strong build. I would not worry about breaking it during everyday use. Edited to add: This is a hard use knife that happens to be lighter in weight than other offerings.

I will say that you should be careful when twisting with ANY liner or framelock knife - this type of locking mechanism has never lent itself to that type of motion.
 
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I just got my 0561. For its size it is amazingly light. I seriously doubt it will be any less tough because of it either. It corrects every issue I had with my ZT0302.

I can confidently say the this is THE COOLEST PRODUCTION KNIFER EVER! Wow! :eek:
 
bladenovice said:
I'm new to knives so does weight, or the lack there of, always indicate a knife's ruggedness? Or is it perception thing? Maybe ZT should come out with a special "heavyweight" 0560/0561, one that does not have the liner milled out (correct term?). By saving that step, maybe they could get them out faster. :D
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jimmer_5 said:
Scooby,

I can completely understand if you don't care for how light the 0560 is - some people like heft, and some do not. However, if you're concerned that the 0560 is in any way weakened by the weight reduction, you are confusing perception with reality. The light weight may give you the perception of weakness, but the knife is actually a very strong build. I would not worry about breaking it during everyday use.

I will say that you should be careful of twisting with any liner or framelock knife - this type of locking mechanism has never lent itself to that type of motion. However, you should have no problem cutting zip ties and rubber tubing.
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jimmer, with all due respect. That's exactly what I'm not looking for in a Zero Tolerance offering. I've owned the ZT 0301 and the ZT 0551 and these are hard use knives. I can get my Leek to cut zip ties and rubber tubing. (don't know if you were being sarcastic).

Do you mind sharing why you folks came up with the idea of milling everything out and lightening (weakening IMHO) the design? Knowing as you've stated that some people won't like the lack of heft (strength) and that it would turn it from a hard use to an EDC knife? :)
 
NightMare Silverado said:
Sweet. Confirmed my order with KnifeCenter my 560 is shipping out today.
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They must have receive quite a few. My CC was just charged for the 0560 I pre-ordered with them on the 27th of December. I checked my account and it shows one ordered/one in stock. And here I thought I would be waiting until THIS COMING December to move up on the list!! I just hope I am as lucky with the 0777. I didn't get really interested in knife collecting until this past December, so placed my pre-order for the 0777 really late ... like last month! This forum has been a wealth of information. Thanks.

Dennis in PA
My Knife Collection
 
The 0300 series is still available for purchase. They cant all be similar.:D

Advancements always tend to move toward stronger and lighter.
 
Seems to me the strength is in the pivot point. If that is beefy the knife is stout. Lower down on the handle doesn't need the same thickness unless you are going to run over it or use the knife for striking/hammering.

Jimmer_5 confirmed my gut feeling about twisting knives like these. However knives need to be used and there are times where twisting is part of the use. I don't hesitate to do such.
 
cziv said:
jimmer, with all due respect. That's exactly what I'm not looking for in a Zero Tolerance offering. I've owned the ZT 0301 and the ZT 0551 and these are hard use knives. I can get my Leek to cut zip ties and rubber tubing. (don't know if you were being sarcastic).

Do you mind sharing why you folks came up with the idea of milling everything out and lightening (weakening IMHO) the design? Knowing as you've stated that some people won't like the lack of heft (strength) and that it would turn it from a hard use to an EDC knife? :)
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Cziv - Make no mistake - this is a hard use knife. We removed material from the titanium slab, and the liner, but the knife is still extremely rigid. What are you planning on doing with this knife that would cause the handle to collapse?

Weight does not directly translate into strength - it only gives the perception of strength. The cored out titanium is not impacted by the forces you apply to a knife when cutting. Please stop insinuating that this knife is not strong enough for hard use, since there is no evidence that there is any truth to this assumption.

If there is one thing I have learned in my career, it's that you can never please everybody. We still try, but any change you make will upset some of the people. This is a perfect example - we remove weight to make the knife more carry friendly, but some people wish it was heavier. If we left out the lightening pockets some of the people would complain it's too heavy. You can either do the same old thing forever for fear of rocking the boat, or you can move forward and try to incorporate new ideas. We choose to do the latter.

Please don't mistake my tone here - I always appreciate feedback, but I find it frustrating when people make statements based on assumptions rather than real world experience.
 
2 shot said:
Seems to me the strength is in the pivot point. If that is beefy the knife is stout. Lower down on the handle doesn't need the same thickness unless you are going to run over it or use the knife for striking/hammering.

Jimmer_5 confirmed my gut feeling about twisting knives like these. However knives need to be used and there are times where twisting is part of the use. I don't hesitate to do such.
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2 shot - I will go back and edit my post to clarify my words. My point about the twisting was simply that twisting motions can disengage ANY liner or framelock. It's the nature of the lock design - ANY liner lock or framelock knife can have that happen. I am only warning to be careful, as I would with any knife. I'm saying it can happen, not that it will, and that it can happen with any liner or framelock.
 
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@ Jimmer_5

I appreciate the weight being cut as well as making the handle slimmer. I have a 0200 and while it is a tank as in build quality, it is also a tank in my pocket. I rarely carry this knife unless it is in a sheath to keep it from weighing my pockets down and making it difficult to get to my phone.

As far as the strength of the design? You guys haven't let me down yet!

Just my 2¢
 
Man I should have ordered one yesterday :( I called up house of blades and was just about to pull the trigger but I didn't want to bring my bank account that low. $325 with free shipping and a Leek was a sick deal. I wish I would have ordered when I had the chance. I got a 0551 in the mail today and I all I can think is how sick it would be with a flipper.

Oh well my 0561 will get here eventually. :)
 
jimmer_5 said:
Scooby,

I can completely understand if you don't care for how light the 0560 is - some people like heft, and some do not. However, if you're concerned that the 0560 is in any way weakened by the weight reduction, you are confusing perception with reality. The light weight may give you the perception of weakness, but the knife is actually a very strong build. I would not worry about breaking it during everyday use. Edited to add: This is a hard use knife that happens to be lighter in weight than other offerings.

I will say that you should be careful when twisting with ANY liner or framelock knife - this type of locking mechanism has never lent itself to that type of motion.
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Thanks for your response jimmer 5.
So your saying the 560 is AS Strong/Stronger than the 350 in materials both blade and handle?
Like I said, the end use of this knife for me is "hard use". This was not going to be a box/rope cutter.
If you tell me it will hold up AS GOOD as my 350, I will open her up.
 
Hey guys, I just joined the forums and I hate to make this my second post but...I just received my 0561 in the mail today and although the knife is absolutely beautiful I don't think it is preforming as it should.
When I depress the flipper, 8 out of 10 times the blade will not fully deploy, when it does fully deploy it is very slow compared to my 0301. Also it is nearly impossible to deploy the blade with the thumb stud. has anyone else experienced this? I would really hate to have to send it back.
 
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