New ZT/Hinderer Flipper is Coming!!!0560/0561

Mine FINALLY arrived.
I love it.
People made such a big deal about how the thumbstuds were useless, but it took me every bit of 10 minutes to learn how to use them. The jimping is aggressive, but not enough to complain about.
However, you can get pinched by the flipper when using the thumbstud if you're not careful.
Mine is also off-center to the lock-side. I realize it's not going to hurt anything as long as it's not touching the liner, but I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars on a knife that arrives with issues. I'd hate to find it rubbing the liner after I start using it. Should i be worried?
 
I've been actually using mine (I've gone out of my way to find work for it) and all you see is a TINY mark where the thumb studs make contact on the frame but they are not showing any wear...this seems normal to me. You have two pieces of metal coming in contact with each other so I'd expect there to be a slight mark showing where they touch...other knives that I have that are made this way do the exact same thing. None of them have ever given me any problems.

I don't see ANY reason at all to be worried about it and "IF" there is someone out there with bent thumb studs and its affecting his lock up I have to wonder what exactly this person did with their knife. I can't imagine ever having any problems with this setup when using the knife as its intended.

Good luck!
 
Thanks for the info KLJTech, just found out that the bend studs from the Dutch forum member were bent from the start, I already advised him to return it.

I'll try and capture some pictures of the rubmarks on my thumbstuds, like I said on my 3 Hinderer XM's there is not the slightest mark.
 
Adjusted pivot screw in both directions the minute I noticed the problem...no help.
Has anyone else had any problems with their 0560 being off-centered?
 
I tried to capture the rubmarks on the thumbstuds of my new ZT 0560 that I received today, its maybe flipped 50 times by now.

If you want I show you pictures of my 3 XM's as well, they have been flipped 1000's of times and show no wear, maybe Rick uses "unobtanium" for the thumbstuds...:D

I am not definitely not a knife tech but I think when the knife locks it should slow down the blade that it does not hammer the stud into the frame and liner..but that's just my thought, maybe a knifemaker could fill me in on this.

Even more interesting is that one forum member said in a previous post, that he had no wear at all on the studs of both his ZT 0551 and 0560...??

Pilot1 said:
Neither my 0551, nor 0560 display signs of wear on the locking studs, and they both have been "flipped" many times.
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PS My ZT 0551 looks worse but its 9 or 10 months old.

@Huntbomb: My ZT 0560 came perfectly centered, on the Hinderer forum there was a thread that explained how to center your blade, should be very easy and similar to the ZT.

Here it is: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/844452-xm18-centering?highlight=centering

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Like I said I have a tiny, tiny mark on the thumb stud showing where it makes contact which I wouldn't have even noticed had I not read the post and looked for it. Some of those marks may be from the machining process (I wouldn't know) and maybe just the tiny mark that runs sideways is from making contact with the frame...I wouldn't worry about it for a second. It's not like you're going to wear through the thumb stud by opening and closing your knife so I wouldn't be concerned.

Everyone is different but even on folders that I've spent twice as much as the 0560 I usually check for solid lockup, blade centering and anything that may stand out right way as being wrong with the knife and after that I use it. Does this 0560 function well? I would try not to worry about it since with use it'll get scuffs on it anyway. Put that knife to use and go enjoy it!
Best of luck!
 
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emel said:
I tried to capture the rubmarks on the thumbstuds of my new ZT 0560 that I received today, its maybe flipped 50 times by now.

If you want I show you pictures of my 3 XM's as well, they have been flipped 1000's of times and show no wear, maybe Rick uses "unobtanium" for the thumbstuds...:D

I am not definitely not a knife tech but I think when the knife locks it should slow down the blade that it does not hammer the stud into the frame and liner..but that's just my thought, maybe a knifemaker could fill me in on this.

Even more interesting is that one forum member said in a previous post, that he had no wear at all on the studs of both his ZT 0551 and 0560...??



PS My ZT 0551 looks worse but its 9 or 10 months old.

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I have a 561 sn#84 and a gen 4 xm18, both show those marks. I don't understand what would slow the blade down? The intended purpose of the studs is to stop the blade since it doesn't have stop pins.
 
The stop pin is pressed into the blade. It wouldn't surprise me if the majority of them came from that process.
 
@23xdm3.8: Interesting that you have marks on the Hinderer and ZT, maybe I have been lucky with my Hinderer XM's and Pilot1 has been lucky with both his ZT's...

Probably its a small difference in tolerance and lock engagement..

Anyway I am not worried, I just started checking and noticing this when another forum member told me his sold of his ZT 0551 because of the wear marks on the studs..so I checked my XM's and they had no rubmarks whatsoever.

So when I received my ZT this afternoon I checked from the start what the wear on the studs was, but it still intrigues me if this rubbing/scratching occurs on most of the knives.

00ChevyScott said:
The stop pin is pressed into the blade. It wouldn't surprise me if the majority of them came from that process.
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If this was the case then the marks would not match the frame and liner exactly.

Its 10 PM here gonna watch some TV, if anyone else has no marks at all like Pilot1 and me on my XM's, I would sure like to know.

Thanks for the comments guys !
 
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If the studs were meant to be the blade stop, it'll contact the frame...it's bound to cause rub marks, unless of course the knife isnt getting used then marks won't show up. If the blade stop doesn't contact at all then I would think the knife would have up and down play

..only way to prevent marks on the studs, you'd need rubber o-rings like the Umnumzaan, that act as shock absorbers
 
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23xdm3.8 said:
If the studs were meant to be the blade stop, it'll contact the frame...it's bound to cause rub marks, unless of course the knife isnt getting used then marks won't show up. If the blade stop doesn't contact at all then I would think the knife would have up and down play

..only way to prevent marks on the studs, you'd need rubber o-rings like the Umnumzaan, that act as shock absorbers
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I did see somewhere here where a user put o-ring type rubber washers on his 0551 and I guess if these marks really bother you that's always an option and you can get them at any Home Depot or Lowes (it would cover any marks). I wouldn't worry about it but I realize some are more concerned about things like this than others.

Personally, I couldn't be happier with my 0560 or my 0551...ZT has now made it tougher on other knife manufacturers to step up to the plate and offer just as much knife for the money.
 
The person used heat shrink tubing like you use around wires.

My 0560 has been flipped around 3,500 times by my estimates and just has tiny tiny little scuffs on the thumbstuds but no deforming or anything and I wouldn't have noticed the scuffs if I hadn't been looking for them due to this thread. Mine locks up at about 40% and as far as I can tell has not increased at all since I got it.
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I did see somewhere here where a user put o-ring type rubber washers on his 0551
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ok i figured it out..it really doesnt concern me since i dont baby my knives, im just trying to help emel understand that those marks are inherent to knives that use thumb studs as blade stops.
-rub marks arent as visible on the xm, on the left. middle is the 561, and right is a Direware solo v2
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-if the studs dont sit perfectly in the groove, its contacting only a small area of the stud. on the xm, the studs are in the groove almost perfect
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Thanks for the pics and the info, it looks that the ZT just has a bigger touching area hence the bigger rubmarks.

My wife is really enjoying me flippering the ZT during the movie and my typing on the Iphone :D

Love the knife, and it flips very well, just haven't been able to open it with the studs yet, but that will come after some more breaking in I guess.
 
Ser. # 0463 / 0560 made its way to me from a June pre-order today.
No issues at all. The strong detent is probably your thumb stud opening issue.
Mine is semi-strong as well. But can open with the stud.
Just takes an abrupt forward push due to the extra strong ball detent.
I hope it wears down a bit, but would not be too surprised if it didn't.
My 2 anyway........
 
I am soooo glad I stopped wrapping knives long enough to read the latest in this thread, now I can hit myself in the head and go back to work, Oh my goodness.

Dave
 
kershawguy said:
I am soooo glad I stopped wrapping knives long enough to read the latest in this thread, now I can hit myself in the head and go back to work, Oh my goodness.

Dave
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Wrapping or shipping?
Just cant imagine its that tough slipping them into the bubble wrap pouch & dropping into the box?:D
BTW, great knife!
 
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